08/18 St. Louis (Marquis) @ CUBS (Marmol) 1:20 CDT, CSN TV

[soapy]

Marmol was brought up way before he was ready for the bigs.

 

I give him credit for his performances so far, but the fact remains that he has plenty left to work on before reaching his potential.

Guzman really should be the one getting those starts. I don't know if it really matters though, I guess.

[CubColtPacer]

Was the total there for the defense 3 outs that should have been-(Marquis ground ball to start, Eckstein at the plate, Pujols in the rundown) and an extra base given up just in that inning? That's a whole series worth of defensive mistakes in one inning.

[Outshined_One]

Marmol was brought up way before he was ready for the bigs.

 

I give him credit for his performances so far, but the fact remains that he has plenty left to work on before reaching his potential.

Guzman really should be the one getting those starts. I don't know if it really matters though, I guess.

 

Six in one, half dozen in the other.

 

This is why the Cubs absolutely have to sign/trade for two veteran starting pitchers in the offseason. Just getting Jason Schmidt or Barry Zito won't be enough, imo.

[goonys evil twin]

If Izturis were healthy all year long, he'd be leading the league in glove RBIs.

 

The question is how well his glove hits with 2 outs.

[da bears]

Nice job Cedeno you jerk. First you start the inning with an error. Then you strike out on a terrible swing. Nicely done.

[goonys evil twin]

Marmol was brought up way before he was ready for the bigs.

 

I give him credit for his performances so far, but the fact remains that he has plenty left to work on before reaching his potential.

Guzman really should be the one getting those starts. I don't know if it really matters though, I guess.

 

Six in one, half dozen in the other.

 

This is why the Cubs absolutely have to sign/trade for two veteran starting pitchers in the offseason. Just getting Jason Schmidt or Barry Zito won't be enough, imo.

 

Marmol and Guzman are not one in the same. Marmol is relatively new to pitching and needs to build up innings before anything can be expected of him. Guzman needs to pitch in the majors so the Cubs can find out what he has to offer.

[moorecg]

Why did eckstein get pulled? Injury?

[soapy]

Marmol was brought up way before he was ready for the bigs.

 

I give him credit for his performances so far, but the fact remains that he has plenty left to work on before reaching his potential.

Guzman really should be the one getting those starts. I don't know if it really matters though, I guess.

 

Six in one, half dozen in the other.

 

This is why the Cubs absolutely have to sign/trade for two veteran starting pitchers in the offseason. Just getting Jason Schmidt or Barry Zito won't be enough, imo.

Unfortunately, they probably won't have the money to acquire two SPs and still upgrade the offense as much as they should.

[da bears]

I'm really starting to dislike Chris Duncan.

[Mizzou]

Why did eckstein get pulled? Injury?

Yeah, sprained something taking grounders before that half inning.

[soapy]

Why did eckstein get pulled? Injury?

Yeah, sprained something taking grounders before that half inning.

Pat speculated it also could have been the play at the plate

[goonys evil twin]

Marmol hit and was then pulled?

[soapy]

Marmol was brought up way before he was ready for the bigs.

 

I give him credit for his performances so far, but the fact remains that he has plenty left to work on before reaching his potential.

Guzman really should be the one getting those starts. I don't know if it really matters though, I guess.

 

Six in one, half dozen in the other.

 

This is why the Cubs absolutely have to sign/trade for two veteran starting pitchers in the offseason. Just getting Jason Schmidt or Barry Zito won't be enough, imo.

 

Marmol and Guzman are not one in the same. Marmol is relatively new to pitching and needs to build up innings before anything can be expected of him. Guzman needs to pitch in the majors so the Cubs can find out what he has to offer.

That's what I was getting at, but honestly, at this point I just want to see them both starting somewhere.

[soapy]

Marmol hit and was then pulled?

hahaha...classic Dusty

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Marmol was brought up way before he was ready for the bigs.

 

I give him credit for his performances so far, but the fact remains that he has plenty left to work on before reaching his potential.

Guzman really should be the one getting those starts. I don't know if it really matters though, I guess.

 

Six in one, half dozen in the other.

 

This is why the Cubs absolutely have to sign/trade for two veteran starting pitchers in the offseason. Just getting Jason Schmidt or Barry Zito won't be enough, imo.

 

I dunno. Zambrano/Schmito/Marshall/Marmol/Prior with Guzman and Hill as backups/trade bait looks decent enough for me.

[Mizzou]

Marmol hit and was then pulled?

Marmol isn't a bad hitter, and he probably didn't want to waste Neifi this early in the game.

 

I don't understand why he was taken out so early though.

[PrimeTime]

I think a 5 year old could manage this team better than Dusty..You have Marmol bat,when you now hes not gunna pitch next inning... God your stupid dusty

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

I'm really starting to dislike Chris Duncan.

 

I have a feeling he might become despised by Cubs' fans. In the same way that Edmonds and Matt Morris are/were disliked.

[abuck1220]

geez, short leash on marmol. now dusty can justify leaving z in for 144 pitches because his bullpen will be so worn out.

[soapy]

Marmol was brought up way before he was ready for the bigs.

 

I give him credit for his performances so far, but the fact remains that he has plenty left to work on before reaching his potential.

Guzman really should be the one getting those starts. I don't know if it really matters though, I guess.

 

Six in one, half dozen in the other.

 

This is why the Cubs absolutely have to sign/trade for two veteran starting pitchers in the offseason. Just getting Jason Schmidt or Barry Zito won't be enough, imo.

 

I dunno. Zambrano/Schmito/Marshall/Marmol/Prior with Guzman and Hill as backups/trade bait looks decent enough for me.

Maybe, but if Prior isn't healthy, you basically have this year's rotation with Schmidt replacing Maddux. Marshall/Marmol/Guzman/Hill will likely all be improved, but is it enough?

[Outshined_One]

Marmol and Guzman are not one in the same. Marmol is relatively new to pitching and needs to build up innings before anything can be expected of him. Guzman needs to pitch in the majors so the Cubs can find out what he has to offer.

 

I'm well aware of the differences. However, both are rookies with limited experience in the big leagues. The Cubs are going to get inconsistent outings from both at this point; neither is a guarantee to go out there and pitch 6 good innings.

 

However, if we go into next season with a rotation of Z-Schmidt or Zito-Prior-Young Guy #1-Young Guy #2, I'm not liking the Cubs' chances. Health problems could inevitably lead to one or two more rookie SPs coming into the rotation at some point. I like the potential and the depth the Cubs have at SP right now, but we don't know what to expect out of those young guys in terms of consistency.

 

Getting a halfway decent #3/#4 guy along with some one like Zito or Schmidt would go a long, long way. While the offense has had its share of problems, getting a strong pitching staff would make life a lot easier for everyone involved.

[gflore34]

I'm really starting to dislike Chris Duncan.

 

I have a feeling he might become despised by Cubs' fans. In the same way that Edmonds and Matt Morris are/were disliked.

 

Probably, because in typical Cardinal fashion, he's playing waaaay over his head - .271/.358/.448 career ML numbers.

[abuck1220]

Marmol and Guzman are not one in the same. Marmol is relatively new to pitching and needs to build up innings before anything can be expected of him. Guzman needs to pitch in the majors so the Cubs can find out what he has to offer.

 

I'm well aware of the differences. However, both are rookies with limited experience in the big leagues. The Cubs are going to get inconsistent outings from both at this point; neither is a guarantee to go out there and pitch 6 good innings.

 

However, if we go into next season with a rotation of Z-Schmidt or Zito-Prior-Young Guy #1-Young Guy #2, I'm not liking the Cubs' chances. Health problems could inevitably lead to one or two more rookie SPs coming into the rotation at some point. I like the potential and the depth the Cubs have at SP right now, but we don't know what to expect out of those young guys in terms of consistency.

 

Getting a halfway decent #3/#4 guy along with some one like Zito or Schmidt would go a long, long way. While the offense has had its share of problems, getting a strong pitching staff would make life a lot easier for everyone involved.

 

i just don't think there's enough resources to get more than one starting pitcher. the cubs have to hope prior is healthy and that two of the young guys can do the job. the offense is so terrible, i don't think they can put the money into getting 2 fairly big name starting pitchers.

[goonys evil twin]

Marmol and Guzman are not one in the same. Marmol is relatively new to pitching and needs to build up innings before anything can be expected of him. Guzman needs to pitch in the majors so the Cubs can find out what he has to offer.

 

I'm well aware of the differences. However, both are rookies with limited experience in the big leagues. The Cubs are going to get inconsistent outings from both at this point; neither is a guarantee to go out there and pitch 6 good innings.

 

However, if we go into next season with a rotation of Z-Schmidt or Zito-Prior-Young Guy #1-Young Guy #2, I'm not liking the Cubs' chances. Health problems could inevitably lead to one or two more rookie SPs coming into the rotation at some point. I like the potential and the depth the Cubs have at SP right now, but we don't know what to expect out of those young guys in terms of consistency.

 

Getting a halfway decent #3/#4 guy along with some one like Zito or Schmidt would go a long, long way. While the offense has had its share of problems, getting a strong pitching staff would make life a lot easier for everyone involved.

 

I wasn't addressing your idea about acquiring 2 arms. I was just refuting the insinuation that they were the same player. Guzman should be starting now to get past that "he's an inconsistent rookie" phase as quickly as possible. There's a chance he could be a solid starter next year. Marmol doesn't really stand much of a chance to be a good starter in 2007.

[Jim Ignatowski]

To answer someone'squestion, Eckstein was hurt during the collision at the plate. He got up holding his side.

 

As to why Dusty batted Marmol just before he took him oout of the game, my theory is that Dusty's hat is lined with tinfoil and the CIA, which is secretly located under Busch Stadium, is sending him gamma rays controlling his managerial moves.