Andruw Jones Waiver Claim / Reyes extended

[CP_414]

Per Buster Olney on ESPN News Reyes has agreed to a 4 year/$23 Million extension with the Mets.

 

Olney also said Andruw Jones was put on the waiver wire, and the Braves might try to deal him before he gets 10/5 rights on Aug 15th.

Edited August 3, 2006 by Ronnie Woo Woo

[cheapseats]

Nice deal for the Mets. Reyes looks to be having a breakout year.

[Wheelimus]

Wonder what Jones would cost if we ate the contract.

[WindyCity]

Wonder what Jones would cost if we ate the contract.

 

I'd like for the Cubs to find out -- unfortunately, I think re-signing Juan Pierre is more in line with what this front office is trying to do..... which is suck IMO.

[goonys evil twin]

Wonder what Jones would cost if we ate the contract.

 

I'd like for the Cubs to find out -- unfortunately, I think re-signing Juan Pierre is more in line with what this front office is trying to do..... which is suck IMO.

 

I could see them resign Pierre, and play him in left.

 

 

 

He's only got 1 year left on his contract.

[jjgman21]

what package do you offer up? Atlanta seems to have reversed its course of 10-15 years ago, producing alot more hitters than pitchers. do the Cubs have the goods to swing such a deal?

 

 

 

btw, the mods should change the title because the Jones issue is a helluva lot more interesting than Reyes' contract.

[CP_414]

what package do you offer up? Atlanta seems to have reversed its course of 10-15 years ago, producing alot more hitters than pitchers. do the Cubs have the goods to swing such a deal?

 

 

 

btw, the mods should change the title because the Jones issue is a helluva lot more interesting than Reyes' contract.

 

I changed it. I had added the Jones part after the original post.

[rawaction]

A steal for the Mets. They will be good for a long time. The difference between them and the Cubs is that they have a farm system producing big time. For all the money they are spending on Beltran, Delgado, Pedro, Glavine, and Wagner.....they wouldn't be close to where they are now without their farm system, which gave them Wright, Reyes, Pelfrey, Milledge, Heilman, etc....not to mention all the talent they were able to trade to complete the NLs best team.

[rawaction]

I think you're looking at a package of Pie and 2 minor league pitchers. My guess are top pitchers in the system like Marshall, Marmol, Gallagher. Then again, in a salary dump, which this obviously would be, it could take a lot less if you eat the contract....which should not be an issue. The Cubs again, don't have the balls to make such a move, though. It's almost not worth talking about.

 

Talking about Andruw Jones obviously.

[goonys evil twin]

I think you're looking at a package of Pie and 2 minor league pitchers. My guess are top pitchers in the system like Marshall, Marmol, Gallagher. Then again, in a salary dump, which this obviously would be, it could take a lot less if you eat the contract....which should not be an issue. The Cubs again, don't have the balls to make such a move, though. It's almost not worth talking about.

 

Talking about Andruw Jones obviously.

 

Yeah, I feel like Hendry's reaction would be, "My team is out of it this year, obviously this is a move that a contending team should make."

[jmajew]

If Hendry would make a deal for Jones that would be amazing. It would make this team interesting again. Pierre, Izturis(unfortunately batting second), Lee, Jones, Ramirez, Barrett, Jones/Murton, Cedeno. Not only would our offense be improved but our defense up the middle would probably be the best in baseball, which is good a for a young pitching staff.

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Not only would our offense be improved but our defense up the middle would probably be the best in baseball, which is good a for a young pitching staff.

 

The defensive improvement might not be as dramatic as you'd think. Jones' defense has been declining pretty quickly.

 

That's not to say he'd be a liability, but he's not close to what he was in the late 90's.

[goonys evil twin]

Not only would our offense be improved but our defense up the middle would probably be the best in baseball, which is good a for a young pitching staff.

 

The defensive improvement might not be as dramatic as you'd think. Jones' defense has been declining pretty quickly.

 

That's not to say he'd be a liability, but he's not close to what he was in the late 90's.

 

It's still the type of defensive improvement I'd like, one that comes with good offense.

[cheapseats]

Not only would our offense be improved but our defense up the middle would probably be the best in baseball, which is good a for a young pitching staff.

 

The defensive improvement might not be as dramatic as you'd think. Jones' defense has been declining pretty quickly.

 

That's not to say he'd be a liability, but he's not close to what he was in the late 90's.

 

It's still the type of defensive improvement I'd like, one that comes with good offense.

 

Agreed.

[ConstableRabbit]

Not only would our offense be improved but our defense up the middle would probably be the best in baseball, which is good a for a young pitching staff.

 

The defensive improvement might not be as dramatic as you'd think. Jones' defense has been declining pretty quickly.

 

That's not to say he'd be a liability, but he's not close to what he was in the late 90's.

 

It's still the type of defensive improvement I'd like, one that comes with good offense.

 

TT had a post a couple weeks ago that showed a metric depicting AJones in the bottom 4(?) I believe of Center Fielders. It said Pierre has been a better CF this year.

[jjgman21]

Not only would our offense be improved but our defense up the middle would probably be the best in baseball, which is good a for a young pitching staff.

 

The defensive improvement might not be as dramatic as you'd think. Jones' defense has been declining pretty quickly.

 

That's not to say he'd be a liability, but he's not close to what he was in the late 90's.

 

It's still the type of defensive improvement I'd like, one that comes with good offense.

 

TT had a post a couple weeks ago that showed a metric depicting AJones in the bottom 4(?) I believe of Center Fielders. It said Pierre has been a better CF this year.

 

aside from his noodle arm, I don't think Pierre's performance defensively in CF can be questioned this year. he's been very good.

 

and as for arm, I've said many times that an outfielder's arm is highly overrated. a great arm will get you a few outs and limit a few extra bases, but often will result in lots of extra bases given away by failing to hit the cutoff man or air mailing everybody. an outfileder with a noodle arm who knows his limitations will counter the damage of the later all together by not overthrowing, and the ten outs a year gained by a good OF arm is not of great value in the grand scheme of a 162 game season.

 

that said, give me Jones' 50 HRs in center and defense better than non-existant and I will be happy.

 

sure would be nice to have a big three like that in the middle, with Barrett right behind them. possibly enough slug in the middle to make up for the terrible OBP at the bottom.

[WindyCity]

I wonder if Jones would move to one of the corners? If his defense is indeed declining in CF, it may still be pretty good for Left or Right.... his bat is certainly good enough to be a corner outfielder.

[goonys evil twin]

aside from his noodle arm, I don't think Pierre's performance defensively in CF can be questioned this year. he's been very good.

 

I would refute that. I've seen some bad play. He takes bad routes, gets bad jumps, and has dropped balls in his glove on multiple occasions. And the arms thing is much more than a small thing, guys take extra bases all the freaking time.

[cheapseats]

aside from his noodle arm, I don't think Pierre's performance defensively in CF can be questioned this year. he's been very good.

 

I would refute that. I've seen some bad play. He takes bad routes, gets bad jumps, and has dropped balls in his glove on multiple occasions. And the arms thing is much more than a small thing, guys take extra bases all the freaking time.

 

According to The Fielding Bible, which trumps all else in defensive discussions (just ask a Cardinals fan), Pierre was 25th out of 35 CF's reviewed from 2003-2005.

 

He's still been below average according to Davenport's fielding translations this year, but he has been better than he was in the past 3 years. So what we're seeing right now might be better than what we'd see in the future.

[dew1679666265]

I think you're looking at a package of Pie and 2 minor league pitchers. My guess are top pitchers in the system like Marshall, Marmol, Gallagher. Then again, in a salary dump, which this obviously would be, it could take a lot less if you eat the contract....which should not be an issue. The Cubs again, don't have the balls to make such a move, though. It's almost not worth talking about.

 

Talking about Andruw Jones obviously.

 

I'm not sure what the equivalents in our system would be but the Red Sox offered a package of Coco Crisp, Craig Hanson, and a prospect. The Braves demanded Lester too and the deal never happened. I'm guessing maybe Pie, Marshall, Marmol, Hill might get it done, though that's an awful lot to give up. I'd take Andruw very happily though. Wonder if a monster deal of Pie, Marshall, Marmol, Hill, and Cedeno for Jones and Marcus Giles could happen?

[RynoRules]

If I am Jim I make a big time play here. Pie and pick any one of the following: Hill, Marmol, Gallagher, Guzman and Ryu. Its a salry dump, so if we eat the contract, they should take fewer prospects.

[baseball7897]

Lester and Hanson are going to have better major league careers than Hill, Marmol, Marshall, etc. If im the Braves, I would ask for Prior, Pie, and a couple of pitching prospects for Jones.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Would players like Pie, Marshall, Hill, etc. clear waivers to even make a deal possible?

[soccer10k]

aside from his noodle arm, I don't think Pierre's performance defensively in CF can be questioned this year. he's been very good.

 

I would refute that. I've seen some bad play. He takes bad routes, gets bad jumps, and has dropped balls in his glove on multiple occasions. And the arms thing is much more than a small thing, guys take extra bases all the freaking time.

 

According to The Fielding Bible, which trumps all else in defensive discussions (just ask a Cardinals fan), Pierre was 25th out of 35 CF's reviewed from 2003-2005.

 

He's still been below average according to Davenport's fielding translations this year, but he has been better than he was in the past 3 years. So what we're seeing right now might be better than what we'd see in the future.

 

There is no need to take a cheap shot at another poster for a disagreement you had with him in another thread.

[soccer10k]

Would players like Pie, Marshall, Hill, etc. clear waivers to even make a deal possible?

 

So if you want to make a trade right now the players to be traded from both teams have to clear waivers?