What I'm most upset about after the deadline

[baseball7897]

This is the same GM who signed Glendon Rusch and Neifi Perez to multiyear deals, outbid himself this past offseason for guys like Eyre, Howry, and Jones, and was put over a barrel in the Juan Pierre trade because he figured this team desperately needed a stereotypical speedy leadoff hitter despite already having two guys on the team in Murton and Walker who were more than capable of filling that spot.

 

Needless to say, all of the good will and faith I had in him after the Lee, Ramirez, and Nomar trades has been used up completely.

 

I believe, and I may be wrong, but didnt several teams offer more money, and years for Howry and Eyre.

 

As I recall, both Howry and Eyre were surprised at the number of years and contract figures they got from the Cubs. Neither was expecting those kinds of contracts.

 

I could be mistaken in remembering this and other teams could have thrown comparable contracts at them, but I've seen this particular point brought up often enough by different people to make me believe I'm remembering it correctly.

 

I don't remember Howry, but I remember Eyre's agent was shocked at the deal Hendry offered...Eyre didn't think twice about signing with the Cubs.

 

So what im hearing is you rather not have signed Eyre? You would rather have some random rookie going out there, like last year, and blowing a lead? I dont have a problem overpaying for 2 quality set-up men.

Edited August 1, 2006 by baseball7897

[Flames24Rulz]

This is the same GM who signed Glendon Rusch and Neifi Perez to multiyear deals, outbid himself this past offseason for guys like Eyre, Howry, and Jones, and was put over a barrel in the Juan Pierre trade because he figured this team desperately needed a stereotypical speedy leadoff hitter despite already having two guys on the team in Murton and Walker who were more than capable of filling that spot.

 

Needless to say, all of the good will and faith I had in him after the Lee, Ramirez, and Nomar trades has been used up completely.

 

I believe, and I may be wrong, but didnt several teams offer more money, and years for Howry and Eyre.

 

As I recall, both Howry and Eyre were surprised at the number of years and contract figures they got from the Cubs. Neither was expecting those kinds of contracts.

 

I could be mistaken in remembering this and other teams could have thrown comparable contracts at them, but I've seen this particular point brought up often enough by different people to make me believe I'm remembering it correctly.

 

I don't remember Howry, but I remember Eyre's agent was shocked at the deal Hendry offered...Eyre didn't think twice about signing with the Cubs.

 

So what im hearing is you rather not have signed Eyre? You would rather have some random rookie going out their, like last year, and blowing a lead? I dont have a problem overpaying for 2 quality set-up men.

 

Where did I say I didn't want Eyre?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

What upsets me the most is that Hendry actually thinks he's traveling down the right path. The ship is sinking quickly right before his eyes, and he apparently has absolutely no clue.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The problem with the relievers contracts was and always has been the length. Relievers are too variable to commit to for 3 years, and when you commit high dollars to them it's even worse. Apparently we didn't learn from the Remlinger and Hawkins deals.

[baseball7897]

The problem with the relievers contracts was and always has been the length. Relievers are too variable to commit to for 3 years, and when you commit high dollars to them it's even worse. Apparently we didn't learn from the Remlinger and Hawkins deals.

 

Remlinger had a shoulder injury when he signed with the Cubs. Hawkins pitched in a dome stadium. Much different pitching in doors than it is out doors.

[Flames24Rulz]

The problem with the relievers contracts was and always has been the length. Relievers are too variable to commit to for 3 years, and when you commit high dollars to them it's even worse. Apparently we didn't learn from the Remlinger and Hawkins deals.

 

Remlinger had a shoulder injury when he signed with the Cubs. Hawkins pitched in a dome stadium. Much different pitching in doors than it is out doors.

 

So why was it acceptable to give those guys 3 year deals??

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

The problem with the relievers contracts was and always has been the length. Relievers are too variable to commit to for 3 years, and when you commit high dollars to them it's even worse. Apparently we didn't learn from the Remlinger and Hawkins deals.

 

Remlinger had a shoulder injury when he signed with the Cubs. Hawkins pitched in a dome stadium. Much different pitching in doors than it is out doors.

 

He did also pitch on the road at outdoor stadiums. I don't recall there being any problem in those games, overall.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The problem with the relievers contracts was and always has been the length. Relievers are too variable to commit to for 3 years, and when you commit high dollars to them it's even worse. Apparently we didn't learn from the Remlinger and Hawkins deals.

 

Remlinger had a shoulder injury when he signed with the Cubs. Hawkins pitched in a dome stadium. Much different pitching in doors than it is out doors.

 

Stadium only affects half your games, and Hawkins was great for the Cubs in '04. Remlinger was pretty good in '03 as well. Again, relievers vary wildly in performance, giving middle relievers 3 years is not a smart idea, especially when coupled with high dollars.

[baseball7897]

The problem with the relievers contracts was and always has been the length. Relievers are too variable to commit to for 3 years, and when you commit high dollars to them it's even worse. Apparently we didn't learn from the Remlinger and Hawkins deals.

 

Remlinger had a shoulder injury when he signed with the Cubs. Hawkins pitched in a dome stadium. Much different pitching in doors than it is out doors.

 

So why was it acceptable to give those guys 3 year deals??

 

Remlinger and Hawkins were the top set-up men in the FA market. In 02 Remlinger had 1 hell of a year, and in 03 Hawkins also had one hell of a year. That is why they got their 3 year deals.

[Outshined_One]

Is it Howry or Eyre who's had the arm/shoulder problems?

 

I can never remember...

[Laura]

Is it Howry or Eyre who's had the arm/shoulder problems?

 

I can never remember...

 

Howry = RH Liquid Metal Terminator

 

Eyre = LH ADD +Burger King +doesn't like to run

 

I'm not sure which had the arm problems. :)

[baseball7897]

Is it Howry or Eyre who's had the arm/shoulder problems?

 

I can never remember...

 

Im loving this. Your telling me you wouldnt sign Howry or Eyre? For the reason they have had arm injuries in the past?

[Outshined_One]

Is it Howry or Eyre who's had the arm/shoulder problems?

 

I can never remember...

 

Im loving this. Your telling me you wouldnt sign Howry or Eyre? For the reason they have had arm injuries in the past?

 

Would you have signed Remlinger to a three year deal with his shoulder injury?

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Is it Howry or Eyre who's had the arm/shoulder problems?

 

I can never remember...

 

Im loving this. Your telling me you wouldnt sign Howry or Eyre? For the reason they have had arm injuries in the past?

 

From one of his responses to you.......

 

I'm happy to have their services and hope they will continue to produce like this during their time on the Cubs.

[Flames24Rulz]

Is it Howry or Eyre who's had the arm/shoulder problems?

 

I can never remember...

 

Im loving this. Your telling me you wouldnt sign Howry or Eyre?

 

I think he's just upset about the 3 year deals they got. Hendry didn't get the memo the first time he signed 2 middle relievers to 3 year deals, so he goes out and does it again last offseason.

 

Plus, name me a good move he has done since the Nomar trade...I wish you good luck as he has done nothing productive over the last 2 seasons to make this team a contender for a division title.

[baseball7897]

Is it Howry or Eyre who's had the arm/shoulder problems?

 

I can never remember...

 

Im loving this. Your telling me you wouldnt sign Howry or Eyre? For the reason they have had arm injuries in the past?

 

Would you have signed Remlinger to a three year deal with his shoulder injury?

 

No I wouldnt. But I would offer him a 1yr deal with a option for the next. That is one move I wish Hendry would of never done.

[baseball7897]

Is it Howry or Eyre who's had the arm/shoulder problems?

 

I can never remember...

 

Im loving this. Your telling me you wouldnt sign Howry or Eyre?

 

I think he's just upset about the 3 year deals they got. Hendry didn't get the memo the first time he signed 2 middle relievers to 3 year deals, so he goes out and does it again last offseason.

 

Plus, name me a good move he has done since the Nomar trade...I wish you good luck as he has done nothing productive over the last 2 seasons to make this team a contender for a division title.

 

Howry and Eyre were solid moves. What team wouldnt want them in their bullpen? Hendry tried the entire off-season in 05 trying to deal Sosa. That is one reason he couldnt make a deal.

[Outshined_One]

No I wouldnt. But I would offer him a 1yr deal with a option for the next. That is one move I wish Hendry would of never done.

 

My answer is comparable to that for both of those guys. I didn't want three years for either because of how greatly relievers fluctuate from year to year. Also, Howry underwent elbow surgery (Tommy John I think) in 2003 and didn't return from it until late June 2004. He has enough of an injury history to make me concerned about his long term health.

[Flames24Rulz]

Is it Howry or Eyre who's had the arm/shoulder problems?

 

I can never remember...

 

Im loving this. Your telling me you wouldnt sign Howry or Eyre?

 

I think he's just upset about the 3 year deals they got. Hendry didn't get the memo the first time he signed 2 middle relievers to 3 year deals, so he goes out and does it again last offseason.

 

Plus, name me a good move he has done since the Nomar trade...I wish you good luck as he has done nothing productive over the last 2 seasons to make this team a contender for a division title.

 

Howry and Eyre were solid moves. What team wouldnt want them in their bullpen? Hendry tried the entire off-season in 05 trying to deal Sosa. That is one reason he couldnt make a deal.

 

Even though he drove Sosa's value all the way to rock bottom with the leaking of the video, saying how he was a selfish guy with the boombox in the clubhouse, ect...but besides that, he's a great GM and has done so much to have this team contending.

 

I'm not complaining about getting Howry and Eyre, but he overpaid for them, no matter how much you want to think differently.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Is it Howry or Eyre who's had the arm/shoulder problems?

 

I can never remember...

 

Howry.

[A New Era]

Needless to say, all of the good will and faith I had in him after the Lee, Ramirez, and Nomar trades has been used up completely.

 

QFT.

 

Me too. But I still hold out hope in that we do have very good peices to add to. And that it wouldn't take but a great LF aquisition and 2 good SP to get us on the right track to compete in the NL Central.

 

BTW what is QFT?

[A New Era]

I'm not complaining about getting Howry and Eyre, but he overpaid for them, no matter how much you want to think differently.

 

Well I say he didn't overpay for them, no matter how much you want to think differently. Howry and Eyre were the 2 top middle releiver FA, period. And there were alot of teams that needed MR help.

 

But anyway, those 2 are the last players I'd complain about on this team. It's guys like Neifi and Rusch that are truely hurting us. And I can admit Hendry was a dumb arse for doing that when any good team uses minor leaguers for those positions.

[Outshined_One]

BTW what is QFT?

 

Quoted For Truth.

 

Sometimes appears as Q4T and Q40.

[soccer10k]

To think the Cubs had a shot at Either or Guzman for Maddux is insane.

 

Someone on this site posted a false rumor, or heard a false rumor that would send LaRoche to the Cubs for Maddux. Now when everyone seen that, they jumped to conclusions. No way in hell would the Dodgers deal LaRoche for Maddux. Lets be realistic in what the Cubs could of have received in return for Maddux.

 

didn't hendry actually say he could have had a couple of high-level prospects for maddux, but chose izturis instead?

 

if hendry actually did say that, then people have every right to criticize what he got in return.

 

Yes, he said it when he was talking to Len and Bob during the game.

 

If im the Dodgers, im not dealing 2 highly regarded prospects for a 40yr old pitcher.

 

If I'm the Cubs, I don't give Glendon Rusch 2yrs/$6 mil and I don't give Neifi Perez 2yrs/$5 mil. But that's what happened. GM's make puzzling moves sometimes and it's not what you would do or not, it's what the GM would do or not.

[cubfan1955]

You know what I'm most upset about?

 

Neifi - Career BA is .270. OBP is .299. SLG is .379. OPS is .678.

 

Izturis - Career BA is .260. OBP is .295. SLG is .339. OPS is .634.

 

And Neifi has more power.