What I'm most upset about after the deadline

[baseball7897]

Lets get 1 thing staright here. Im not supporting the Neifi deal. Im just saying, he was offered more money from other clubs, than what the Cubs offered him.

 

There are no facts to support that claim. Just because Hendry once told Kaplan that other teams made offers, it doesn't make it true.

 

Kaplan is around the field everyday. He doesnt only talk to Hendry. The guy isnt that single minded. Kaplan, complains about alot of Hendry's moves. He was arguing the Neifi deal, because he had some sources that told him that other clubs were offering Neifi more money.

[soapy]

The bottom line is, if some other GM was stupid enough to offer Neifi a contract anywhere close to the one he got, Hendry should have let him go. It's not complicated.

[cubfan1955]

If another team offered Neifi more money and he didn't take it then he is a fool. My guess is Neifis agent said that and Hendry, in full panic mode, signed him on the spot. Kind of like yesterday when the Dodgers told Hendry they needed their prospects for Lugo deal so Hendry just said "okay" and took anything they offered.

[baseball7897]

If another team offered Neifi more money and he didn't take it then he is a fool. My guess is Neifis agent said that and Hendry, in full panic mode, signed him on the spot. Kind of like yesterday when the Dodgers told Hendry they needed their prospects for Lugo deal so Hendry just said "okay" and took anything they offered.

 

Going back to the Dodger deal. There is no gurantee Maddux would return next year. Its better to get something, rather than nothing in return. The same can be said about the Walker deal. Im pretty sure he wasnt coming back next year. Hendry spent 18 months it seemed like, trying to deal Walker. If Izturis can return to his 04 form, then this deal was a wise one by Hendry.

[goonys evil twin]

Going back to the Dodger deal. There is no gurantee Maddux would return next year. Its better to get something, rather than nothing in return. The same can be said about the Walker deal. Im pretty sure he wasnt coming back next year. Hendry spent 18 months it seemed like, trying to deal Walker. If Izturis can return to his 04 form, then this deal was a wise one by Hendry.

 

I would hope Maddux doesn't return, since he wasn't good but paid a lot of money. I'd have rather gotten nothing at all, rather than Izturis. Cesar isn't some cheap young kid who the Cubs can take a flyer on. He's an expensive player who has always sucked and likely always will, and he is guaranteed a lot of money next year. So unless Hendry trades him away, he will be here, hurting the offense that can't take anymore low OBP players than it already has.

[cubfan1955]

If another team offered Neifi more money and he didn't take it then he is a fool. My guess is Neifis agent said that and Hendry, in full panic mode, signed him on the spot. Kind of like yesterday when the Dodgers told Hendry they needed their prospects for Lugo deal so Hendry just said "okay" and took anything they offered.

 

Going back to the Dodger deal. There is no gurantee Maddux would return next year. Its better to get something, rather than nothing in return. The same can be said about the Walker deal. Im pretty sure he wasnt coming back next year. Hendry spent 18 months it seemed like, trying to deal Walker. If Izturis can return to his 04 form, then this deal was a wise one by Hendry.

Not in this case. Nothing would have been much better than Izturis but I'll be happy to eat my words if he turns into a .330 BA/.390 OBP type of hitter. Until that happens this deal sucks.

[Guest]

Lets get 1 thing staright here. Im not supporting the Neifi deal. Im just saying, he was offered more money from other clubs, than what the Cubs offered him.

 

No, you are supporting the Neifi deal. That's exactly what you did when you tried to claim he's not overpaid.

IIRC, Neifi wasn't ever a free agent, which means that if other teams were offering more money, they should be punished for tampering.

[CubColtPacer]

If another team offered Neifi more money and he didn't take it then he is a fool. My guess is Neifis agent said that and Hendry, in full panic mode, signed him on the spot. Kind of like yesterday when the Dodgers told Hendry they needed their prospects for Lugo deal so Hendry just said "okay" and took anything they offered.

 

Going back to the Dodger deal. There is no gurantee Maddux would return next year. Its better to get something, rather than nothing in return. The same can be said about the Walker deal. Im pretty sure he wasnt coming back next year. Hendry spent 18 months it seemed like, trying to deal Walker. If Izturis can return to his 04 form, then this deal was a wise one by Hendry.

Not in this case. Nothing would have been much better than Izturis but I'll be happy to eat my words if he turns into a .330 BA/.390 OBP type of hitter. Until that happens this deal sucks.

 

So it's not a good deal unless he turns into as good of a hitter as Ichiro? The only thing Ichiro would have on him then is some power, and Izturis's slugging would go up if he was hitting that well. If those are the standards, then I guess Hendry can never make a very good deal.

[cubfan1955]

If another team offered Neifi more money and he didn't take it then he is a fool. My guess is Neifis agent said that and Hendry, in full panic mode, signed him on the spot. Kind of like yesterday when the Dodgers told Hendry they needed their prospects for Lugo deal so Hendry just said "okay" and took anything they offered.

 

Going back to the Dodger deal. There is no gurantee Maddux would return next year. Its better to get something, rather than nothing in return. The same can be said about the Walker deal. Im pretty sure he wasnt coming back next year. Hendry spent 18 months it seemed like, trying to deal Walker. If Izturis can return to his 04 form, then this deal was a wise one by Hendry.

Not in this case. Nothing would have been much better than Izturis but I'll be happy to eat my words if he turns into a .330 BA/.390 OBP type of hitter. Until that happens this deal sucks.

 

So it's not a good deal unless he turns into as good of a hitter as Ichiro? The only thing Ichiro would have on him then is some power, and Izturis's slugging would go up if he was hitting that well. If those are the standards, then I guess Hendry can never make a very good deal.

LOL...I'll take less than that but if we're wishing, why not wish for the best? :lol:

[CubColtPacer]

If another team offered Neifi more money and he didn't take it then he is a fool. My guess is Neifis agent said that and Hendry, in full panic mode, signed him on the spot. Kind of like yesterday when the Dodgers told Hendry they needed their prospects for Lugo deal so Hendry just said "okay" and took anything they offered.

 

Going back to the Dodger deal. There is no gurantee Maddux would return next year. Its better to get something, rather than nothing in return. The same can be said about the Walker deal. Im pretty sure he wasnt coming back next year. Hendry spent 18 months it seemed like, trying to deal Walker. If Izturis can return to his 04 form, then this deal was a wise one by Hendry.

Not in this case. Nothing would have been much better than Izturis but I'll be happy to eat my words if he turns into a .330 BA/.390 OBP type of hitter. Until that happens this deal sucks.

 

So it's not a good deal unless he turns into as good of a hitter as Ichiro? The only thing Ichiro would have on him then is some power, and Izturis's slugging would go up if he was hitting that well. If those are the standards, then I guess Hendry can never make a very good deal.

LOL...I'll take less than that but if we're wishing, why not wish for the best? :lol:

 

Definitely :D

[fiver]

You know what I'm most upset about?

 

Neifi - Career BA is .270. OBP is .299. SLG is .379. OPS is .678.

 

Izturis - Career BA is .260. OBP is .295. SLG is .339. OPS is .634.

 

And Neifi has more power.

 

The Cubs own Neifi through '07 and Izturis through '08.

 

How may position players who flat out cannot hit do we need on the roster?

 

Z can't compensate for them all.

 

Agree...except I probably would have changed that to:

 

"Z can only compensate for them all in 1 of every 5 games."

Edited August 1, 2006 by fiver

[abuck1220]

oh boy, if the cubs get stuck with izturis and then re-sign maddux...i don't know what i'm going to do.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Lets get 1 thing staright here. Im not supporting the Neifi deal. Im just saying, he was offered more money from other clubs, than what the Cubs offered him.

 

No, you are supporting the Neifi deal. That's exactly what you did when you tried to claim he's not overpaid.

IIRC, Neifi wasn't ever a free agent, which means that if other teams were offering more money, they should be punished for tampering.

 

I was going to bring that up earlier because I thought it to be the case as well, but I can't find anything that says if he actually filed. He signed on 11/14.

[goonys evil twin]

 

I was going to bring that up earlier because I thought it to be the case as well, but I can't find anything that says if he actually filed. He signed on 11/14.

 

11/08.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

 

I was going to bring that up earlier because I thought it to be the case as well, but I can't find anything that says if he actually filed. He signed on 11/14.

 

11/08.

 

Hmm, baseball-reference has 11/14 listed.

[goonys evil twin]

 

I was going to bring that up earlier because I thought it to be the case as well, but I can't find anything that says if he actually filed. He signed on 11/14.

 

11/08.

 

Hmm, baseball-reference has 11/14 listed.

 

every news article says 11/08. The actual signing date may have been after the agreement, which could be the difference.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

 

I was going to bring that up earlier because I thought it to be the case as well, but I can't find anything that says if he actually filed. He signed on 11/14.

 

11/08.

 

Hmm, baseball-reference has 11/14 listed.

 

every news article says 11/08. The actual signing date may have been after the agreement, which could be the difference.

 

If it was 11/8, that's pretty much the nail in the coffin for this argument. 11/11 was the first day of the free agent signing period.

[cubfan1955]

If it was 11/8, that's pretty much the nail in the coffin for this argument. 11/11 was the first day of the free agent signing period.

Maybe Steinbrenner made an illegal under the table proposal to Neifi. We should get ARod as compensation. :twisted:

[badgercub]

With some of these posts defending Hendry's moves and saying crappy players are not being overpaid, I am beginning to think maybe the Trib is planting some posters on this forum, as they have in others, to try and create some positive spin. Thank goodness the majority of posters in this forum have the analytical ability to realize how badly Hendry's moves are affecting this organization well into the future. If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck.......

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

With some of these posts defending Hendry's moves and saying crappy players are not being overpaid, I am beginning to think maybe the Trib is planting some posters on this forum, as they have in others, to try and create some positive spin. Thank goodness the majority of posters in this forum have the analytical ability to realize how badly Hendry's moves are affecting this organization well into the future. If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck.......

 

Cubs' fans are funny.

[thedaymen]

With some of these posts defending Hendry's moves and saying crappy players are not being overpaid, I am beginning to think maybe the Trib is planting some posters on this forum, as they have in others, to try and create some positive spin. Thank goodness the majority of posters in this forum have the analytical ability to realize how badly Hendry's moves are affecting this organization well into the future. If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck.......

 

Really? They did that once? Awesome.

[A New Era]

With some of these posts defending Hendry's moves and saying crappy players are not being overpaid, I am beginning to think maybe the Trib is planting some posters on this forum, as they have in others, to try and create some positive spin. Thank goodness the majority of posters in this forum have the analytical ability to realize how badly Hendry's moves are affecting this organization well into the future. If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck.......

 

Cubs' fans are funny.

 

And they sound like ducks!!

[dalgreen]

I wish there was this much love for Abreu on here two seasons ago when it sounded as if we could've had him for Prior. Edited August 1, 2006 by dalgreen

[Laura]

oh boy, if the cubs get stuck with izturis and then re-sign maddux...i don't know what i'm going to do.

 

Maddux isn't coming back to Chicago to pitch again.

 

I'd like to see him return in some sort of organizational capacity once he retires, but that's not going to be next year.

[soccer10k]

With some of these posts defending Hendry's moves and saying crappy players are not being overpaid, I am beginning to think maybe the Trib is planting some posters on this forum, as they have in others, to try and create some positive spin. Thank goodness the majority of posters in this forum have the analytical ability to realize how badly Hendry's moves are affecting this organization well into the future. If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck.......

 

...it's a stuffed duck with a recorder inside that plays quacking noises.