Aramis Ramirez Contract (was Carroll-Indications of Opt Out)

[Andy]

Extend Aramis and give him whatever it takes, because Hendry will use up the money on more Neifis and Bynums if we don't.

[cheapseats]

Extend Aramis and give him whatever it takes, because Hendry will use up the money on more Neifis and Bynums if we don't.

 

According to BP's MORP stat, we're already overpaying for Aramis. Much as I'd hate to see him go, I wouldn't have minded trading him for top offensive prospects as I don't think we're contending in 2007 anyway.

 

That said, even from ownership's perspective, it is a good idea to overpay if it means a playoff run. The extra revenue produced from postseason play (not just ticket sales, mind you) more than pays for some big contracts.

 

Some of the big budget teams understand that. The Yankees in some recent seasons weren't built to break even until postseason.

[erik316wttn]

Does anyone else think ARam coming back could hinge on whether Dusty Baker comes back?

 

His relationship is running hot right now... :wink:

 

If ARAM leaves if Dusty leaves, I say bye bye ARAM.

 

I hate to say it, but as much as I dislike Dusty...(and I REALLY REALLY hate him, as a manager, at least) I'm not sure if I could say that. Terrible managers will lose you games, to an extent (and I think Dusty might just be pushing the envelope on that), but not nearly as many as a lack of talent will.

 

If we lose Aramis, our offense and our 3B position (not many out there) is REALLY screwed.

 

So are you advocating keeping Dusty if it means keeping Aramis?

[snoodmonger]

Does anyone else think ARam coming back could hinge on whether Dusty Baker comes back?

 

His relationship is running hot right now... :wink:

 

If ARAM leaves if Dusty leaves, I say bye bye ARAM.

 

I hate to say it, but as much as I dislike Dusty...(and I REALLY REALLY hate him, as a manager, at least) I'm not sure if I could say that. Terrible managers will lose you games, to an extent (and I think Dusty might just be pushing the envelope on that), but not nearly as many as a lack of talent will.

 

If we lose Aramis, our offense and our 3B position (not many out there) is REALLY screwed.

 

So are you advocating keeping Dusty if it means keeping Aramis?

Why does anyone think ARAM will leave if Dusty goes? Because he said he liked him to the media? Isn't that pretty much a standard soundbyte from any athlete?

[erik316wttn]

Does anyone else think ARam coming back could hinge on whether Dusty Baker comes back?

 

His relationship is running hot right now... :wink:

 

If ARAM leaves if Dusty leaves, I say bye bye ARAM.

 

I hate to say it, but as much as I dislike Dusty...(and I REALLY REALLY hate him, as a manager, at least) I'm not sure if I could say that. Terrible managers will lose you games, to an extent (and I think Dusty might just be pushing the envelope on that), but not nearly as many as a lack of talent will.

 

If we lose Aramis, our offense and our 3B position (not many out there) is REALLY screwed.

 

So are you advocating keeping Dusty if it means keeping Aramis?

Why does anyone think ARAM will leave if Dusty goes? Because he said he liked him to the media? Isn't that pretty much a standard soundbyte from any athlete?

 

I never said one way or the other. I was just asking davhern to clarify.

[snoodmonger]

I didn't really mean you, Erik. Soccer10k asked the question, and people have been acting like it's the case.

[David]

Does anyone else think ARam coming back could hinge on whether Dusty Baker comes back?

 

His relationship is running hot right now... :wink:

 

If ARAM leaves if Dusty leaves, I say bye bye ARAM.

 

I hate to say it, but as much as I dislike Dusty...(and I REALLY REALLY hate him, as a manager, at least) I'm not sure if I could say that. Terrible managers will lose you games, to an extent (and I think Dusty might just be pushing the envelope on that), but not nearly as many as a lack of talent will.

 

If we lose Aramis, our offense and our 3B position (not many out there) is REALLY screwed.

 

So are you advocating keeping Dusty if it means keeping Aramis?

 

While I agree that I don't think there's any reason to think it would come down to making the choice, if it came down to it, yes.

 

If we had to keep Dusty around for Aramis to stay (which I don't think is the case, at all), I would have to say Dusty has to stay. It's not like Hendry is going to hire anyone better, anyway.

 

Aramis is worth much more than a good manager.

[erik316wttn]

Does anyone else think ARam coming back could hinge on whether Dusty Baker comes back?

 

His relationship is running hot right now... :wink:

 

If ARAM leaves if Dusty leaves, I say bye bye ARAM.

 

I hate to say it, but as much as I dislike Dusty...(and I REALLY REALLY hate him, as a manager, at least) I'm not sure if I could say that. Terrible managers will lose you games, to an extent (and I think Dusty might just be pushing the envelope on that), but not nearly as many as a lack of talent will.

 

If we lose Aramis, our offense and our 3B position (not many out there) is REALLY screwed.

 

So are you advocating keeping Dusty if it means keeping Aramis?

 

While I agree that I don't think there's any reason to think it would come down to making the choice, if it came down to it, yes.

 

If we had to keep Dusty around for Aramis to stay (which I don't think is the case, at all), I would have to say Dusty has to stay. It's not like Hendry is going to hire anyone better, anyway.

 

Aramis is worth much more than a good manager.

 

Aramis is a cornerstone, no doubt. I'd love to see the offense built around him and DLee for years to come.

 

However, if it meant sacrificing him to get rid of Dusty and actually get someone competent in here, I think I'd do it.

[C.C.]

Man what do we do if ARAM walks. I mean is he worth the 14-15 million he'll get from the other teams? With alot of the big markets looking for a FA someone will overpay for him...

[soccer10k]

I didn't really mean you, Erik. Soccer10k asked the question, and people have been acting like it's the case.

 

I guess I should clarify what I meant. I should have said "Does anyone else think ARam coming back could depend on Dusty Baker not coming back?" I think that ARam is more likely to leave if Dusty returns to the team.

 

EDIT: I don't buy ARam's nice comments about Dusty to the media and think he was just saying them so he doesn't stir up any controversy in the clubhouse.

[C.C.]

I didn't really mean you, Erik. Soccer10k asked the question, and people have been acting like it's the case.

 

I guess I should clarify what I meant. I should have said "Does anyone else think ARam coming back could depend on Dusty Baker not coming back?" I think that ARam is more likely to leave if Dusty returns to the team.

 

EDIT: I don't buy ARam's nice comments about Dusty to the media and think he was just saying them so he doesn't stir up any controversy in the clubhouse.

 

If this is true then ARAM will never be happy. If he doesn't like Baker (what player doesn't), then he's not going to like any manager. Baker is a players manager. I just don't buy all that crap. It's all media hoopla hype. Trust me if the Cubs pay him what he wants he'll stay no matter who the manager is. Players love money....

[bhogg]

Maybe Aramis (and other cubs) have somewhat of a baseball brain and have seen the bonehead screw ups that Baker has employed over the past 3 years.

 

Anything is possible, right?

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Here's the latest article about Aramis from the Chicago Sun-Times. No comment on Aram's part, but I'll post the link to the article anyhow considering it is accompanied with a lot of commentary on writer, Chris DeLuca's part.

 

''I don't want to talk about that, man,'' Ramirez said Thursday. ''I let my agent handle that stuff. Of course, I want to wait until the end of the season, but that's what I pay my agent for. I relax and play, and he takes care of the rest.''

[C.C.]

New info on Ram:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_heyman/08/30/girardi.scoop/1.html

 

 

Aramis Ramirez is telling friends that he plans to exercise an option to opt out of his contract with the Cubs, which would allow him to join Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Lee as the top positional free agents this winter.

 

[oldstyle81]

Extend Aramis and give him whatever it takes, because Hendry will use up the money on more Neifis and Bynums if we don't.

 

According to BP's MORP stat, we're already overpaying for Aramis. Much as I'd hate to see him go, I wouldn't have minded trading him for top offensive prospects as I don't think we're contending in 2007 anyway.

 

That said, even from ownership's perspective, it is a good idea to overpay if it means a playoff run. The extra revenue produced from postseason play (not just ticket sales, mind you) more than pays for some big contracts.

 

Some of the big budget teams understand that. The Yankees in some recent seasons weren't built to break even until postseason.

 

id rather have Aram who has proven to produce 100+ RBI and 30+ home runs than a prospect that could be nothing

[Schwarber Fan]

Maybe I'm reading into this too much but this quote makes me uneasy for some reason:

 

"It's good," Aramis Ramirez said. "They will take a look at all the young players and have a pretty good idea of what they can do going [forward]."

 

I don't like how he uses "they" and how he is talking about the future

 

Please don't leave Rammy.

[Soriano12]

I don't blame Aramis for wanting to. Adrian Beltre has a 5 yea 64M deal, Ramirez has better numbers than him, I would do it. Yes, I know Beltre chased in on a monster season, but even w/ that, Ramirez has had better #'s than Beltre.

 

Beltre signed that contract immediately after this career season.......

 

AVG .334

OBP .388

SLG .629

OPS 1.017

HR 48

 

His career year came at the right moment for him. His other 8 seasons don't resemble those numbers.

 

Aramis has not put up those numbers.

 

Beltre was given his contract solely on that season. No one took into account what he had done previously.

 

Beltre juiced up and got his contract.

 

He sucks without the roids.

[goonys evil twin]

Maybe I'm reading into this too much but this quote makes me uneasy for some reason:

 

"It's good," Aramis Ramirez said. "They will take a look at all the young players and have a pretty good idea of what they can do going [forward]."

 

I don't like how he uses "they" and how he is talking about the future

 

Please don't leave Rammy.

 

Almost all players use "they" when talking about the decision makers who are negotiating with their agent for a contract.

[Iceblink]

I think it's no better than 50/50 that he stays. I hope he'd at least wait to see what, if anything, Hendry can do to make the club better - but I wouldn't expect too much patience (or that Hendry can make the club better). Maybe a new manager will help entice him, but it's hard to see the Cubs stacking up well against other teams that will offer in terms of winning prospects.

 

If he's cleared waivers, I wouldn't be upset to see him traded in the next two days. I think the chances he'll come back are low enough to where you have to at least see what you could get.

[daske17]

I think it's no better than 50/50 that he stays. I hope he'd at least wait to see what, if anything, Hendry can do to make the club better - but I wouldn't expect too much patience (or that Hendry can make the club better). Maybe a new manager will help entice him, but it's hard to see the Cubs stacking up well against other teams that will offer in terms of winning prospects.

 

If he's cleared waivers, I wouldn't be upset to see him traded in the next two days. I think the chances he'll come back are low enough to where you have to at least see what you could get.

 

I can't imagine he made it through waivers without some team making a claim. The Padres surely would have put in a claim, along with any other contender looking for a two-month rental at 3B.

[Iceblink]

I think it's no better than 50/50 that he stays. I hope he'd at least wait to see what, if anything, Hendry can do to make the club better - but I wouldn't expect too much patience (or that Hendry can make the club better). Maybe a new manager will help entice him, but it's hard to see the Cubs stacking up well against other teams that will offer in terms of winning prospects.

 

If he's cleared waivers, I wouldn't be upset to see him traded in the next two days. I think the chances he'll come back are low enough to where you have to at least see what you could get.

 

I can't imagine he made it through waivers without some team making a claim. The Padres surely would have put in a claim, along with any other contender looking for a two-month rental at 3B.

 

Yeah, I think you're right.

 

Looking at the contenders, the only team I see with a real need at 3B is Philly, anyway.

[C.C.]

I think it's no better than 50/50 that he stays. I hope he'd at least wait to see what, if anything, Hendry can do to make the club better - but I wouldn't expect too much patience (or that Hendry can make the club better). Maybe a new manager will help entice him, but it's hard to see the Cubs stacking up well against other teams that will offer in terms of winning prospects.

 

If he's cleared waivers, I wouldn't be upset to see him traded in the next two days. I think the chances he'll come back are low enough to where you have to at least see what you could get.

 

It's simple if the Cubs give him more years with more money he stays.

[NCCubFan]

Hendry simply MUST find a way to keep Ramirez, period. Losing him and getting nothing but draft picks who may never pan out in unacceptable. If he leaves, bye bye Hendry.

[C.C.]

Hendry simply MUST find a way to keep Ramirez, period. Losing him and getting nothing but draft picks who may never pan out in unacceptable. If he leaves, bye bye Hendry.

 

And bye bye 2007, 2008...We bascially would be left with DLEE as your lone power hitter. Scary thought indeed. Ram has got Hendry and the Cubs by their stones!

[stitchface]

Hendry simply MUST find a way to keep Ramirez, period. Losing him and getting nothing but draft picks who may never pan out in unacceptable. If he leaves, bye bye Hendry.

 

And bye bye 2007, 2008...We bascially would be left with DLEE as your lone power hitter. Scary thought indeed. Ram has got Hendry and the Cubs by their stones!

 

yes he does. especially with this year's free agent pool.