Aramis Ramirez Contract (was Carroll-Indications of Opt Out)

[muntjack]

He did say something in a cubs.com article the other day referencing the team as "we" and "next year" , I believe. This gave me a good deal of ope.

[ToupeeOnFire]

Latest from Bruce Miles:

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/cubs.asp?id=229045

 

The market for Ramirez will be a favorable one, with both Los Angeles teams likely to jump in on the bidding. With nearly two weeks left in the season, he’s batting .293 with 35 home runs, 35 doubles and 110 RBI. Even though Ramirez disappeared earlier this season when the Cub needed him — he wasn’t alone in that department — his numbers annually are solid.

 

According to Cubs people, general manager Jim Hendry and Ramirez’s agent, Paul Kinzer, have held only preliminary talks on a new deal. However, Hendry and the agent enjoy a good relationship, and the Cubs appear cautiously optimistic they can get it done.

[daske17]

Latest from Bruce Miles:

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/cubs.asp?id=229045

 

The market for Ramirez will be a favorable one, with both Los Angeles teams likely to jump in on the bidding. With nearly two weeks left in the season, he’s batting .293 with 35 home runs, 35 doubles and 110 RBI. Even though Ramirez disappeared earlier this season when the Cub needed him — he wasn’t alone in that department — his numbers annually are solid.

 

According to Cubs people, general manager Jim Hendry and Ramirez’s agent, Paul Kinzer, have held only preliminary talks on a new deal. However, Hendry and the agent enjoy a good relationship, and the Cubs appear cautiously optimistic they can get it done.

 

Eeek. Cautiously optimistic? That doesn't sound very re-assuring at all. If we lose Aramis to the Dodgers I will go a little mad. That would mean we lost Furcal, Aramis, Nomar and the 2006 D-Lee to the same team.

 

Could the grudge Ned Colleti have against the organization really be that deep?

[ToupeeOnFire]

Meanwhile, from Paul Sullivan and the Trib:

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060919cubsbits,1,2376847.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

 

"I'm going to try to address it as soon as possible," Hendry said. "He's the one who has to decide the time frame."

 

Ramirez doesn't have to exercise the clause until 15 days after the World Series, but the Cubs would like to know his plans beforehand so they can prepare accordingly.

 

Hendry seemed confident something will be worked out.

[TheDude]

Let's hope Carroll is right. Losing Aramis would pretty much mean the team would have to be blown up and Hendry would have to start all over again (not that he doesn't pretty much have to do that now).

 

Neither of these observations make any sense. Whether Aramis opts out of his contract or not, why do the Cubs need to move Lee, Barret, Jones, Izturis, Murton, Zambrano, Prior, Hill, Eyre, Wuertz, Howry, Dempster, etc.?

 

During the offseason we're likely to see 3 or 4 news-worthy acquisitions and a few bench players.

[goonys evil twin]

Let's hope Carroll is right. Losing Aramis would pretty much mean the team would have to be blown up and Hendry would have to start all over again (not that he doesn't pretty much have to do that now).

 

Neither of these observations make any sense. Whether Aramis opts out of his contract or not, why do the Cubs need to move Lee, Barret, Jones, Izturis, Murton, Zambrano, Prior, Hill, Eyre, Wuertz, Howry, Dempster, etc.?

 

During the offseason we're likely to see 3 or 4 news-worthy acquisitions and a few bench players.

 

If Aramis opts out, this team's minimal 2007 chances would probably disappear. 3-4 newsworthy acquisitions doesn't mean anything, the team would still suck.

[WrigleyField 22]

If Aramis leaves the team needs to be blown up.

Barrett and Lee could net plenty of good prospects. Zambrano could as well, but you could decide to hold onto him as he is still young. Jones and Izturis, if you eat a little salary could each net a high risk pitcher who has stuff, but not the numbers. Actually I'm bored and think I will do a "what if Ramirez leaves-blow up scenarion soon".

[C.C.]

I really think he stays. I can't see the Cubs letting him go. It'll have too much impact on the club as a whole. Hendry has two years left on his current deal. He's not going to blow everything up and rebuild. He'll do whatever it takes to sign him. ARAM stays with a similar deal that they gave DLEE.

[C.C.]

More about Ram this Morning:

 

http://suntimes.com/output/sports/cst-spt-cub23.html

 

 

''It would be a tremendous loss,'' Baker said before the Cubs fell to the Cincinnati Reds 4-2 in a game shortened to five innings at Great American Ball Park because of rain.

 

''The key word is IF he becomes a free agent,'' Baker said.'' He talked to me briefly and said he likes it here and wants to stay here.''

 

 

Get it done Jim!!!!!!!!!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think Ramirez would sign a deal that is identical to Lee's but only a year shorter. The Cubs should go to Aramis and offer him a four year extension of 4/52 that pays him 13 million annually. They could sell it to him that the deal is identical to Lee's minus one year and that he and Lee would both be together for the next four years.

 

I really think Aramis would sign that. It's a lot of money and it would indicate the Cubs value him as much as they value Lee. I think he might beat that deal on the open market, but there's no certainty in that.

[C.C.]

I think Ramirez would sign a deal that is identical to Lee's but only a year shorter. The Cubs should go to Aramis and offer him a four year extension of 4/52 that pays him 13 million annually. They could sell it to him that the deal is identical to Lee's minus one year and that he and Lee would both be together for the next four years.

 

I really think Aramis would sign that. It's a lot of money and it would indicate the Cubs value him as much as they value Lee. I think he might beat that deal on the open market, but there's no certainty in that.

 

He would no doubt get a similar if not better deal in the open market. If the Cubs offered that deal I'd think he'd take it, if not then he doesn't want to be here...

[soccer10k]

I think Ramirez would sign a deal that is identical to Lee's but only a year shorter. The Cubs should go to Aramis and offer him a four year extension of 4/52 that pays him 13 million annually. They could sell it to him that the deal is identical to Lee's minus one year and that he and Lee would both be together for the next four years.

 

I really think Aramis would sign that. It's a lot of money and it would indicate the Cubs value him as much as they value Lee. I think he might beat that deal on the open market, but there's no certainty in that.

 

He would no doubt get a similar if not better deal in the open market. If the Cubs offered that deal I'd think he'd take it, if not then he doesn't want to be here...

 

I think it all comes down to whether or not ARam wants to stay in Chicago because Hendry will offer him good money.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

The Cubs, Angels and Dodgers all competing for the best hitter on the market? 5/75m

[RichHillIsABeast]

The only thing that will keep Ramirez here is money. This team sucks. You think it's fun playing on a crappy team 2 years in a row with no shot at the playoffs by the ASB?

 

We're going to pay a lot more than 13M per season. Hendry knows we aren't competing next season w/o ARam and Hendry's job is on the line.

[Guest]

The Cubs, Angels and Dodgers all competing for the best hitter on the market? 5/75m

 

they aren't competing until Ramirez opts out. no doubt his agent is aware of the teams interested but they can't contact him.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

The Cubs, Angels and Dodgers all competing for the best hitter on the market? 5/75m

 

they aren't competing until Ramirez opts out. no doubt his agent is aware of the teams interested but they can't contact him.

 

Unless he has a major injury in the last few games is there any doubt he won't opt out? Just because he's told the Cubs he has interest doesn't mean he's willing to give a discount. It's pretty telling Hendry hasn't had major discussions with ARam at this point. Does anyone think he's having so much fun as a Cub he'd walk away from more years and money from somewhere else? With those major market teams in play I think it's pretty clear it's going to take more than 4/52 to get it done. IMO he'll be the most desirable position player on the market. How often to do those players sign for less then you thought they would?

 

As an aside, I read in Buster Onley's blog that the Padres also might have interest.

[VanceJergins]

Let's hope Carroll is right. Losing Aramis would pretty much mean the team would have to be blown up and Hendry would have to start all over again (not that he doesn't pretty much have to do that now).

 

Neither of these observations make any sense. Whether Aramis opts out of his contract or not, why do the Cubs need to move Lee, Barret, Jones, Izturis, Murton, Zambrano, Prior, Hill, Eyre, Wuertz, Howry, Dempster, etc.?

 

During the offseason we're likely to see 3 or 4 news-worthy acquisitions and a few bench players.

 

If Aramis opts out, this team's minimal 2007 chances would probably disappear. 3-4 newsworthy acquisitions doesn't mean anything, the team would still suck.

 

That seems like a pretty silly statement. Obviously it depends on who those 3-4 acquisions were. If they got something like Soriano, Jones, and Schmidt they could still compete. A lineup of Murton, Barrett, Lee, Jones, Soriano, Jones, Moore/ mid-leve 3B FA, Theriot with a rotation of Zambrano, Schmidt, Hill, Prior, and Miller could have some potential. And think if we could some how replace Ramirez with ARod and then get one of Soriano/Jones/Wells/C Lee.

[Guest]

the cubs can sign him to a new contract before he opts out though. the others can't.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

the cubs can sign him to a new contract before he opts out though. the others can't.

 

True, my point is I don't think that's very realistic.

[A New Era]

the cubs can sign him to a new contract before he opts out though. the others can't.

 

True, my point is I don't think that's very realistic.

 

Your brain doesn't want it to sound realistic because you are a cards fan. We'll see. I think it's more likely he works something out with the Cubs before he opts out. .

[CardsFanInChiTown]

the cubs can sign him to a new contract before he opts out though. the others can't.

 

True, my point is I don't think that's very realistic.

 

Your brain doesn't want it to sound realistic because you are a cards fan. We'll see. I think it's more likely he works something out with the Cubs before he opts out. .

 

Or maybe you want it to sound realistic because you're a Cubs fan. Why hasn't Hendry had major discussions with him yet? Why wouldn't he opt out? Do you really think he'd turn down more years and money because he loves playing for the Cubs (this might be my bias here but the Cubs are in last place)? I could be wrong but all major signs point towards him opting out.

[Guest]

the cubs can sign him to a new contract before he opts out though. the others can't.

 

True, my point is I don't think that's very realistic.

 

not only is it realistic, I think its probable.

[Guest]

the cubs can sign him to a new contract before he opts out though. the others can't.

 

True, my point is I don't think that's very realistic.

 

Your brain doesn't want it to sound realistic because you are a cards fan. We'll see. I think it's more likely he works something out with the Cubs before he opts out. .

 

Or maybe you want it to sound realistic because you're a Cubs fan. Why hasn't Hendry had major discussions with him yet? Why wouldn't he opt out? Do you really think he'd turn down more years and money because he loves playing for the Cubs (this might be my bias here but the Cubs are in last place)? I could be wrong but all major signs point towards him opting out.

 

actually all major signs point toward hendry re-signing him in the next few weeks.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

the cubs can sign him to a new contract before he opts out though. the others can't.

 

True, my point is I don't think that's very realistic.

 

Your brain doesn't want it to sound realistic because you are a cards fan. We'll see. I think it's more likely he works something out with the Cubs before he opts out. .

 

Or maybe you want it to sound realistic because you're a Cubs fan. Why hasn't Hendry had major discussions with him yet? Why wouldn't he opt out? Do you really think he'd turn down more years and money because he loves playing for the Cubs (this might be my bias here but the Cubs are in last place)? I could be wrong but all major signs point towards him opting out.

 

actually all major signs point toward hendry re-signing him in the next few weeks.

 

What are those?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

the cubs can sign him to a new contract before he opts out though. the others can't.

 

True, my point is I don't think that's very realistic.

 

Your brain doesn't want it to sound realistic because you are a cards fan. We'll see. I think it's more likely he works something out with the Cubs before he opts out. .

 

Or maybe you want it to sound realistic because you're a Cubs fan. Why hasn't Hendry had major discussions with him yet? Why wouldn't he opt out? Do you really think he'd turn down more years and money because he loves playing for the Cubs (this might be my bias here but the Cubs are in last place)? I could be wrong but all major signs point towards him opting out.

 

actually all major signs point toward hendry re-signing him in the next few weeks.

 

What are those?

 

Will Carroll commented that he thought it was going to get done. Bruce Miles commented that Hendry didn't seem concerned that it wouldn't get done. Baker has implied that Ramirez mentioned he wants to stay.