Dusty thinks trading Maddux will hurt us.

[Brian]

"He doesn't want to leave, No. 1," Baker said. "I think it would hurt us and hurt me, too. Greg's a quality guy who you like being around. Guys like listening to him and enjoy playing behind him. We haven't gotten him a bunch of run support. It seems like whoever pitches against him throws a heck of a game. We certainly don't want him to leave."

 

What exactly is it going to hurt, trading a declining star who actually has a bit of a market?

 

Is it so bad to...

A) Get some players back that we will have control of for much longer than Maddux

B) Give Rich Hill 2 months to pitch

?

 

I relize that he a great tool to have to talk to the young pitchers, but he's only going to be around for 2 months. And I really want to know how it's going to hurt Dusty, do they go and get beers together?

[Drew Doughty]

"It seems like whoever pitches against him throws a heck of a game."

 

Oh my.

 

Anyways, another bad quote from Dusty.

[A New Era]

You're points are valid.

 

I want a good return on maddux

I want that maddux $$, it will be useful in the offseason

I want to see Rich Hill

 

But I do think he is GREAT to have, considering we might have atleast 2 rookies fighting to be 2 of our starting pitchers next year.

 

Between Marmol <-MY guy, Marshall, and Hill. And having him, even next year would be great to have someone these young guys can REALLY learn from. He could help to make them so much better. And since I doubt he will be our Pitching Coach, having him on the bench is the only way to keep him around.

 

Maddux is one of our guys who possibly won't be here next year, where I wouldn't actually mind so much if he still was (at a discount though), because of the benifit he gives to our young pitchers. How good would Marshall be without Maddux' guidance? I'd be willing to bet, his taking on Marshall has really helped him to develop. And he will be a very good pitcher next year thanks to learning from a great guy.

 

I'd still prefer to see maddux gone, because of the mentioned benifits outweigh his presence. If only we had a better Pitching coach. I have no confidence in Rothschild to make these young pitchers better.

[A New Era]

Isn't it sad where I'd rather have to pay a qualified player ~$9 mil just to be a "bench" Pitching coach, rather than a guy that is paid to do that job?

 

God, our coaches suck!!

[Outshined_One]

Three words for Dusty:

 

BOO FREAKING HOO

[ChiCubsFan]

Seriously...this just shows how pathetic our coaching staff is. When the number one reason (and only reason) to keep a guy around is to teach the younger guys, you need to change your coaching staff. Pathetic....

[A New Era]

Seriously...this just shows how pathetic our coaching staff is. When the number one reason (and only reason) to keep a guy around is to teach the younger guys, you need to change your coaching staff. Pathetic....

 

Maddux has too much hair to be a coach. Otherwise I'd say make Maddux our PC!!

[NorthsideAvenger]

Seriously...this just shows how pathetic our coaching staff is. When the number one reason (and only reason) to keep a guy around is to teach the younger guys, you need to change your coaching staff. Pathetic....

 

Maddux has too much hair to be a coach. Otherwise I'd say make Maddux our PC!!

 

First: I don't see Maddux as a pitching coach when he retired. In fact, I don't really see Maddux staying with MLB all that much to be honest. Outside of a few engagements, such as the HOF, and a couple of retire number ceremonies, I simply believe that Greg, once he reitres from baseball, he will RETIRE from baseball. He may coach little league, but I just don't think he has the patience, or the confidence to be able to coach other pitchers his style of pitching.

 

Second: I believe Baker was drunk when he may the comment. Trading Maddux does nothing BUT HELP the Cubs. Now Baker don't want him traded, because that means the Cubs are officially giving up the season (which they should had done before the break) and with Maddux possibly being dealt, means it is possibly a mass exitus for certain. And when said certain players are dealt, the last management decision, will be firing Baker, or not extending his contract. Baker knows once Maddux is gone, it is not to long before his "horses" are gone, and he is out the door. This is another attempt by Baker to try and save his job, nothing more.

[CuseCubFan69]

Maddux is one of my 2 favorite pitchers ever along with Jenkins. I have to say I think the Cubs should respect Maddux and do whatever he wants, he's earned it IMO. But, if he has given the ok for a trade than Hendry has to work one out. Anything Baker says is just an annoying humming sound to me and I no longer pay attention to him.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

"It seems like whoever pitches against him throws a heck of a game."

 

Oh my.

 

Anyways, another bad quote from Dusty.

 

Not only is it a bad quote, it's stupid and wrong. But, what's new from Dusty's mouth ? Certainly not mindless drivel.

 

First of all, it's a testament to how bad the offense is on this team. Everyone throws a heck of a game against the Cubs. Secondly, Dusty is wrong. Here are the Cubs run totals when Maddux pitches:

 

5

4

4

7

6

1

4

3

1

4

8

6

6

5

2

0

6

0

4

2

 

The Cubs have scored 4 runs a game for Maddux this season. The Cubs as a team average 4.1 runs a game. Nothing special happens when Maddux pitches. No one throws some great game against him. The Cubs can't hit and Maddux has been horrible since May 1st. In fact, I believe he has been the worst starting pitcher in the National League in that time. 2-11 with a 5.68 ERA.

[fromthestretch]

"He doesn't want to leave, No. 1," Baker said. "I think it would hurt us and hurt me, too. Greg's a quality guy who you like being around. Guys like listening to him and enjoy playing behind him. We haven't gotten him a bunch of run support. It seems like whoever pitches against him throws a heck of a game. We certainly don't want him to leave."

 

What exactly is it going to hurt, trading a declining star who actually has a bit of a market?

 

Is it so bad to...

A) Get some players back that we will have control of for much longer than Maddux

B) Give Rich Hill 2 months to pitch

?

 

I relize that he a great tool to have to talk to the young pitchers, but he's only going to be around for 2 months. And I really want to know how it's going to hurt Dusty, do they go and get beers together?

 

I'm far from being a fan of Dusty, but I really don't have much of a problem with comments like this. This is the primary reason he gets a rep as a "player's manager." Plus, this type of comment really has no bearing on whether Hendry will deal Maddux or not, nor does it hurt his trade value. This is a fairly harmless comment. Obviously, we don't know if Baker truly believes that Maddux is more valuable to the team in a lost season than whatever he could bring back in a trade. If he does, then that's another issue.

 

On last night's broadcast, Len and Bob were talking about comments Maddux had made prior to the game regarding the home plate umpire. Apparantly, Maddux has had some issues with that ump in the past. But he said nothing but good things about him to the media. Just like Maddux isn't going to come out and say anything even remotely negative about the ump, Dusty isn't going to say anything negative about Maddux when he would gain nothing by doing so.

 

It's all just PR.

[NewUserName]

Wow Dusty doesnt seem to mind ripping Walker. Also doing whatever he can to lower his trade value.

 

These are the reasons Dusty has to go. It is most obvious that this team needs to be in future mode. Dusty is still concerned about his old horses. We lived this bad dream last year. The Cubs need to move on as an organization.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm far from being a fan of Dusty, but I really don't have much of a problem with comments like this. This is the primary reason he gets a rep as a "player's manager."

 

If being a player's manager had any value, I'd be all for quotes like this. But it doesn't have any value. The quotes don't cause any harm, but they give you glimpse of the real motivation and thought process of the man. Trading Maddux is good for the Cubs organization. Maybe it's bad for Dusty because he needs somebody who actually understands baseball to be in his dugout, but it's not bad for the Cubs. Furthermore, Dusty obviously has some sort of hex over Jim Hendry. Hendry went bonkers trying to woo the guy over here when nobody else was considering him as manager. Hendry wanted to give him an extension a long time ago, but it seems MacPhail's decision to wait on Hendry's extension is the only thing that kept it from happening. Hendry has gotten everything Baker has wanted, with neither man apparantly realizing that a team full of speed defenders isn't going to win baseball games. He's gotten him his veteran bench, despite the fact that a rookie bench could have outplayed them for much cheaper (thus allowing more money for impact players).

 

No, the quote isn't that big of a deal by itself. A lot of his quotes are no big deal. The problem is he has one a week that shows you his priorities, which are misplaced.

[fromthestretch]

I'm far from being a fan of Dusty, but I really don't have much of a problem with comments like this. This is the primary reason he gets a rep as a "player's manager."

 

If being a player's manager had any value, I'd be all for quotes like this. But it doesn't have any value. The quotes don't cause any harm, but they give you glimpse of the real motivation and thought process of the man. Trading Maddux is good for the Cubs organization. Maybe it's bad for Dusty because he needs somebody who actually understands baseball to be in his dugout, but it's not bad for the Cubs. Furthermore, Dusty obviously has some sort of hex over Jim Hendry. Hendry went bonkers trying to woo the guy over here when nobody else was considering him as manager. Hendry wanted to give him an extension a long time ago, but it seems MacPhail's decision to wait on Hendry's extension is the only thing that kept it from happening. Hendry has gotten everything Baker has wanted, with neither man apparantly realizing that a team full of speed defenders isn't going to win baseball games. He's gotten him his veteran bench, despite the fact that a rookie bench could have outplayed them for much cheaper (thus allowing more money for impact players).

 

No, the quote isn't that big of a deal by itself. A lot of his quotes are no big deal. The problem is he has one a week that shows you his priorities, which are misplaced.

 

I agree. I'm not a fan of his philosophies. I just don't have any problems with those types of quotes at face value. The quote itself really doesn't hurt anything.

[fromthestretch]

Wow Dusty doesnt seem to mind ripping Walker. Also doing whatever he can to lower his trade value.

 

The Walker thing was poorly handled by just about everyone involved.

[MustangMike]

I'm far from being a fan of Dusty, but I really don't have much of a problem with comments like this. This is the primary reason he gets a rep as a "player's manager."

 

If being a player's manager had any value, I'd be all for quotes like this. But it doesn't have any value. The quotes don't cause any harm, but they give you glimpse of the real motivation and thought process of the man. Trading Maddux is good for the Cubs organization. Maybe it's bad for Dusty because he needs somebody who actually understands baseball to be in his dugout, but it's not bad for the Cubs. Furthermore, Dusty obviously has some sort of hex over Jim Hendry. Hendry went bonkers trying to woo the guy over here when nobody else was considering him as manager. Hendry wanted to give him an extension a long time ago, but it seems MacPhail's decision to wait on Hendry's extension is the only thing that kept it from happening. Hendry has gotten everything Baker has wanted, with neither man apparantly realizing that a team full of speed defenders isn't going to win baseball games. He's gotten him his veteran bench, despite the fact that a rookie bench could have outplayed them for much cheaper (thus allowing more money for impact players).

 

No, the quote isn't that big of a deal by itself. A lot of his quotes are no big deal. The problem is he has one a week that shows you his priorities, which are misplaced.

 

I agree. I'm not a fan of his philosophies. I just don't have any problems with those types of quotes at face value. The quote itself really doesn't hurt anything.

 

I do believe in philosophies...simply because the cubs need to have a different approach as a whole to this game, because what they are doing is NOT working. Start at the top, work down with a plan...whether it be power hitters to take advantage of Wrigley or more OBP type players...or a mix of both. Decide on some path and follow it. Without the path, we have years like this where you don't know what's going on and can't see the light.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm far from being a fan of Dusty, but I really don't have much of a problem with comments like this. This is the primary reason he gets a rep as a "player's manager."

 

If being a player's manager had any value, I'd be all for quotes like this. But it doesn't have any value. The quotes don't cause any harm, but they give you glimpse of the real motivation and thought process of the man. Trading Maddux is good for the Cubs organization. Maybe it's bad for Dusty because he needs somebody who actually understands baseball to be in his dugout, but it's not bad for the Cubs. Furthermore, Dusty obviously has some sort of hex over Jim Hendry. Hendry went bonkers trying to woo the guy over here when nobody else was considering him as manager. Hendry wanted to give him an extension a long time ago, but it seems MacPhail's decision to wait on Hendry's extension is the only thing that kept it from happening. Hendry has gotten everything Baker has wanted, with neither man apparantly realizing that a team full of speed defenders isn't going to win baseball games. He's gotten him his veteran bench, despite the fact that a rookie bench could have outplayed them for much cheaper (thus allowing more money for impact players).

 

No, the quote isn't that big of a deal by itself. A lot of his quotes are no big deal. The problem is he has one a week that shows you his priorities, which are misplaced.

 

I agree. I'm not a fan of his philosophies. I just don't have any problems with those types of quotes at face value. The quote itself really doesn't hurt anything.

 

I do believe in philosophies...simply because the cubs need to have a different approach as a whole to this game, because what they are doing is NOT working. Start at the top, work down with a plan...whether it be power hitters to take advantage of Wrigley or more OBP type players...or a mix of both. Decide on some path and follow it. Without the path, we have years like this where you don't know what's going on and can't see the light.

 

Exactly, instead of trying to hedge their bets and signing bad players, they just need to commit to a way-be in high OBP or power. Anything would be an improvement over the current offense.

[BigbadB]

Wow Dusty doesnt seem to mind ripping Walker. Also doing whatever he can to lower his trade value.

 

The Walker thing was poorly handled by just about everyone involved.

 

The same can be said about Sosa, Patterson, Farnsworth, Bellhorn, Wood pitching in relief, etc...

 

I don't want to harp on past history. We know why Dusty wants Maddux around. He thinks Maddux can be part of some resurgence that will make Dusty's season look a lot less bad than it currently is. This is important to Dusty for future revenue and contract considerations.

 

I don't have a problem that Dusty is saying these things. I have a problem with the fact Dusty is still here to say these things. But, then again, I also have a problem with the fact the guys with the power to remove Dusty are also still here.

 

Hendry seems to be spending a considerable amount of time evaluating Dusty's status as manager. Which is a crying shame, since this is the time Hendry should be evaluating trade opportunities to improve the team in the future.

 

No one is calling on the Cubs. Is Hendry not answering phones? Teams are working trades as we speak, and Pierre is still leading off, team scapegoat Todd Walker is still splitting time with others at 2nd base, Williamson is still in the bullpen, Nevin is still patrolling the outfield, etc....

 

Nevin's value is dropping by the day. He'll be a Type C free agent, along with Scott Williamson at season's end. Maddux is potentially the only Type A free agent leaving this team at season's end, and there's no guarantee he'll play again. And the Cubs definitely won't offer arby.

 

Hendry should have removed Baker prior to this trading period to remove anything from interfering with improving this team beyond this season. If any of the players listed above are still here as of August 1st, Hendry will have failed once again in his most important duty as GM.

 

That is unacceptable.

 

Wow, I got all that from a Dusty quote.

[CuseCubFan69]

Wow Dusty doesnt seem to mind ripping Walker. Also doing whatever he can to lower his trade value.

 

The Walker thing was poorly handled by just about everyone involved.

 

The same can be said about Sosa, Patterson, Farnsworth, Bellhorn, Wood pitching in relief, etc...

 

I don't want to harp on past history. We know why Dusty wants Maddux around. He thinks Maddux can be part of some resurgence that will make Dusty's season look a lot less bad than it currently is. This is important to Dusty for future revenue and contract considerations.

 

I don't have a problem that Dusty is saying these things. I have a problem with the fact Dusty is still here to say these things. But, then again, I also have a problem with the fact the guys with the power to remove Dusty are also still here.

 

Hendry seems to be spending a considerable amount of time evaluating Dusty's status as manager. Which is a crying shame, since this is the time Hendry should be evaluating trade opportunities to improve the team in the future.

 

No one is calling on the Cubs. Is Hendry not answering phones? Teams are working trades as we speak, and Pierre is still leading off, team scapegoat Todd Walker is still splitting time with others at 2nd base, Williamson is still in the bullpen, Nevin is still patrolling the outfield, etc....

 

Nevin's value is dropping by the day. He'll be a Type C free agent, along with Scott Williamson at season's end. Maddux is potentially the only Type A free agent leaving this team at season's end, and there's no guarantee he'll play again. And the Cubs definitely won't offer arby.

 

Hendry should have removed Baker prior to this trading period to remove anything from interfering with improving this team beyond this season. If any of the players listed above are still here as of August 1st, Hendry will have failed once again in his most important duty as GM.

 

That is unacceptable.

 

Wow, I got all that from a Dusty quote.

 

Weee doggy you do get a lot out of a Dusty comment!

 

It's too bad Maddux has to go because he's the only good coach on the team.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

"It seems like whoever pitches against him throws a heck of a game."

 

Oh my.

 

Anyways, another bad quote from Dusty.

 

It is true.

[frostwyrm]

I'd like to believe Dusty is trying to talk up Maddux's trade value but I know better.

[Laura]

Dusty got choked up when Lenny Harris was DFA'd.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

"It seems like whoever pitches against him throws a heck of a game."

 

Oh my.

 

Anyways, another bad quote from Dusty.

 

It is true.

 

Of course, it seems like whomever pitches against the Cubs throws a heck of a game.