NBA Free Agency/Offseason

[RynoRules]

I'd like to note that someone above referred to Lebron as the greatest player of all time. I assume he meant the greatest player of his era. Either way, how about waiting for the guy to win one before annointing him as such?

[Soul]

Oden and Ben are not the same player. You can play Ben at PF and Oden at C if it comes to that. But any talk of the Bulls getting Oden causes me to black out from temporary insanity over how good we'd be so I don't want to think about it now.

 

Cripes, even a Top 5 pick will probably net a great player. Next year's draft crop looks insane at the top.

 

You can thank NY again. We could be in the Conference Finals next season and still net a top 5 pick :)

[wolf stansson]

I'd like to note that someone above referred to Lebron as the greatest player of all time. I assume he meant the greatest player of his era. Either way, how about waiting for the guy to win one before annointing him as such?

Hyperbole. I really want the Bulls to keep Thomas.

 

I revere Jordan more than someone should, but LBJ is going to have a similar career. Hopefully not the championships though.

[DCNashville]

Oden recently had surgery on his wrist and his rehab could take up to 6 months. I'm not 100% sure anymore that he will be in the draft pool in 2007. He may not even begin playing until January, and he may not be full strength until February or March. I still think he goes pro, but the odds on that aren't as strong as I thought a month ago.

 

Oden rehab may take 6 months

[WindyCity]

Oden recently had surgery on his wrist and his rehab could take up to 6 months. I'm not 100% sure anymore that he will be in the draft pool in 2007. He may not even begin playing until January, and he may not be full strength until February or March. I still think he goes pro, but the odds on that aren't as strong as I thought a month ago.

 

Oden rehab may take 6 months

 

IMO this injury increases the odds that he goes pro as soon as he is eligible. If you have a chance at guaranteed millions, you cannot take a chance that another injury would make that winning lottery ticket vanish. He can always go back and get his degree if its that important to him.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Plus, we get our cap space right back next season if the Brown trade comes to fruition.

Not quite, the Bulls get $8M in cap space next offseason if they trade Tyson for Brown, about half the cap space they started with this offseason.

 

Sam Smith reported Wallace's deal is frontloaded (starting at $17 million in the first year of the deal and steadily decreasing to about $12 million in the last year). In that case, at least $1 million more can be added to that original figure of $8 million. That's a pretty decent chunk of change to plug whatever holes are discovered this season.

[1908]

Plus, we get our cap space right back next season if the Brown trade comes to fruition.

Not quite, the Bulls get $8M in cap space next offseason if they trade Tyson for Brown, about half the cap space they started with this offseason.

 

Sam Smith reported Wallace's deal is frontloaded (starting at $17 million in the first year of the deal and steadily decreasing to about $12 million in the last year). In that case, at least $1 million more can be added to that original figure of $8 million. That's a pretty decent chunk of change to plug whatever holes are discovered this season.

Remember that Kirk is likely to sign an extension this Summer, and Deng and Gordon will be eligible to sign extensions next off-season. Noch's contract is also up after this season. Since he was signed as an unrestricted free agent, I'm not sure if he'll be a restricted free agent next summer or not. My guess is yes. Either way, the Bulls will have lots of uses for that money besides signing another free agent from outside the organization.

[soccer10k]

Oden and Ben are not the same player. You can play Ben at PF and Oden at C if it comes to that. But any talk of the Bulls getting Oden causes me to black out from temporary insanity over how good we'd be so I don't want to think about it now.

 

So then you can have two offensively challenged players on the court at the same time? I realize that Oden isn't as bad as Wallace but he's been built up much more for his defensive ability than offensive. Oden definately needs to put in a ton of work in that part of his game. Not saying that Oden can't play offense and will never be good offensively, but he does need to show a huge improvement to be a star in the NBA.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think players like Wallace are perfect for teams that have a Jordan Type player. A guy that can get off 30 shots and not worry about passing as Wallace doesn't need to touch the ball like Rodman didn't.

[1908]

Oden and Ben are not the same player. You can play Ben at PF and Oden at C if it comes to that. But any talk of the Bulls getting Oden causes me to black out from temporary insanity over how good we'd be so I don't want to think about it now.

So then you can have two offensively challenged players on the court at the same time? I realize that Oden isn't as bad as Wallace but he's been built up much more for his defensive ability than offensive. Oden definately needs to put in a ton of work in that part of his game. Not saying that Oden can't play offense and will never be good offensively, but he does need to show a huge improvement to be a star in the NBA.

If you're lucky enough to draft the best big man of his generation, you play him. Having an all-star center on the roster to take some pressure off the kid will only help. It would be an outstanding problem to have.

[Derwood]

I'm not sold on Oden until he actually dominates at the college level. Dominating at high school is something Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry did.

[1908]

I'm not sold on Oden until he actually dominates at the college level. Dominating at high school is something Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry did.

Yeah, Lebron James, too.

 

It's a moot point with the new collective bargaining agreement, but high school players had a higher success rate in the NBA in terms of developing into stars and a nearly identical three-year development window to college players.

[DCNashville]

Oden and Ben are not the same player. You can play Ben at PF and Oden at C if it comes to that. But any talk of the Bulls getting Oden causes me to black out from temporary insanity over how good we'd be so I don't want to think about it now.

 

So then you can have two offensively challenged players on the court at the same time? I realize that Oden isn't as bad as Wallace but he's been built up much more for his defensive ability than offensive. Oden definately needs to put in a ton of work in that part of his game. Not saying that Oden can't play offense and will never be good offensively, but he does need to show a huge improvement to be a star in the NBA.

 

How much have you seen Oden play? The way you are talking, I'm assuming you've scouted him pretty extensively.

[Magnetic Curses]

Oden and Ben are not the same player. You can play Ben at PF and Oden at C if it comes to that. But any talk of the Bulls getting Oden causes me to black out from temporary insanity over how good we'd be so I don't want to think about it now.

 

So then you can have two offensively challenged players on the court at the same time? I realize that Oden isn't as bad as Wallace but he's been built up much more for his defensive ability than offensive. Oden definately needs to put in a ton of work in that part of his game. Not saying that Oden can't play offense and will never be good offensively, but he does need to show a huge improvement to be a star in the NBA.

 

How much have you seen Oden play? The way you are talking, I'm assuming you've scouted him pretty extensively.

 

sorry to interject, i've only seen oden play a couple of times, both on tv, and i wasn't impressed with him more than any other 7 foot high school player. he dominated because he was bigger than everyone else, he looked kind of stiff offensively around the basket and barely even had to jump to get it over the heads of the other players.

 

he's hard to project as an nba player, but i don't see a shaq-type force down low, very easily he could be more of a michael olowakandi-type force.

[1908]

he's hard to project as an nba player, but i don't see a shaq-type force down low, very easily he could be more of a michael olowakandi-type force.

Is the hard to project part your opinion? Every scouting report I've read about him compare him to Duncan and David Robinson, and he'll be the consensus number one pick in whatever draft he decides to enter, barring serious injury.

[Magnetic Curses]

he's hard to project as an nba player, but i don't see a shaq-type force down low, very easily he could be more of a michael olowakandi-type force.

Is the hard to project part your opinion? Every scouting report I've read about him compare him to Duncan and David Robinson, and he'll be the consensus number one pick in whatever draft he decides to enter, barring serious injury.

 

and tyson chandler was the next garnett, except without any coordination. there are other examples of high school big men being hard to project as well. to me, he looked flat-footed on offense and a bit plodding trying to run the court. he scored a lot of points from 5 feet and in, but so did thomas hamilton.

 

i have no doubt he'll be the #1 overall pick-but i don't see how he can be projected as the next duncan or robinson without having played against college competition. sure he's played against the top players in the country in aau and tournaments, but most of those teams don't have people that are anywhwre close to his size.

 

high school centers are so hard to place because any seven-footer will be dominant against some 6-4 catholic-school kid.

[1908]

he's hard to project as an nba player, but i don't see a shaq-type force down low, very easily he could be more of a michael olowakandi-type force.

Is the hard to project part your opinion? Every scouting report I've read about him compare him to Duncan and David Robinson, and he'll be the consensus number one pick in whatever draft he decides to enter, barring serious injury.

 

and tyson chandler was the next garnett, except without any coordination. there are other examples of high school big men being hard to project as well. to me, he looked flat-footed on offense and a bit plodding trying to run the court. he scored a lot of points from 5 feet and in, but so did thomas hamilton.

 

i have no doubt he'll be the #1 overall pick-but i don't see how he can be projected as the next duncan or robinson without having played against college competition. sure he's played against the top players in the country in aau and tournaments, but most of those teams don't have people that are anywhwre close to his size.

 

high school centers are so hard to place because any seven-footer will be dominant against some 6-4 catholic-school kid.

So it's your opinion and it's based on you seeing Oden play twice. Thanks for clarifying.

[1908]

Chandler Could Be Traded Today

Jul 5 - The Arlington Heights Daily Herald reports a deal sending Tyson Chandler to the New Orleans Hornets could be announced today.

The Bulls will get P.J. Brown and J.R. Smith. According to the newspaper, some reports have the Bulls Malik Allen and Hornets Arvydas Macijauskas included in the deal.

 

According to the New Orleans Times-Picayune, Smith's father, Earl, said he spoke with his son's agent, Arn Tellem, on Tuesday morning and was told the trade likely will happen before Friday.

I like the deal even more if it includes Allen and Macijauskas. Macijauskas struggled in limited playing time last year, but he's one of the best 3-point specialists out there -- an excellent replacement for Piakowski. And I'm very happy with J.R. Smith's upside taking Eddie Basden's place on the roster.

[Derwood]

I'm not sold on Oden until he actually dominates at the college level. Dominating at high school is something Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry did.

Yeah, Lebron James, too.

 

 

Congratulations for citing the one inarguably brilliant high school player in the NBA. Need I list all the "can't miss" highschoolers who burnt out? Or the fact that Kobe Bryant was a mid first rounder? You just don't know.

 

And as someone else said, comparing a guard/forward's talent in high school to a seven footer is apples and oranges.

[Soul]

he's hard to project as an nba player, but i don't see a shaq-type force down low, very easily he could be more of a michael olowakandi-type force.

Is the hard to project part your opinion? Every scouting report I've read about him compare him to Duncan and David Robinson, and he'll be the consensus number one pick in whatever draft he decides to enter, barring serious injury.

 

and tyson chandler was the next garnett, except without any coordination. there are other examples of high school big men being hard to project as well. to me, he looked flat-footed on offense and a bit plodding trying to run the court. he scored a lot of points from 5 feet and in, but so did thomas hamilton.

 

i have no doubt he'll be the #1 overall pick-but i don't see how he can be projected as the next duncan or robinson without having played against college competition. sure he's played against the top players in the country in aau and tournaments, but most of those teams don't have people that are anywhwre close to his size.

 

high school centers are so hard to place because any seven-footer will be dominant against some 6-4 catholic-school kid.

So it's your opinion and it's based on you seeing Oden play twice. Thanks for clarifying.

 

His point is valid though. Chandler was also highly coveted out of high school. Every scout on the planet had him as a future NBA star. Not saying he has no value because I still like Tyson, but his deficiencies came to frutition just as much as his positives, and he will likely never attain the full potential that was expected of him.

 

I hope Oden will, but I'd like to see him play in college a bit.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I'm not sold on Oden until he actually dominates at the college level. Dominating at high school is something Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry did.

Yeah, Lebron James, too.

 

 

Congratulations for citing the one inarguably brilliant high school player in the NBA. Need I list all the "can't miss" highschoolers who burnt out? Or the fact that Kobe Bryant was a mid first rounder? You just don't know.

 

And as someone else said, comparing a guard/forward's talent in high school to a seven footer is apples and oranges.

 

Did you intentionally cut out the rest of 1908's post because it proved the first half of your post wrong?

 

It's a moot point with the new collective bargaining agreement, but high school players had a higher success rate in the NBA in terms of developing into stars and a nearly identical three-year development window to college players.

[ChiCubsFan]

This team is really coming together nicely.

[Derwood]

I'm not sold on Oden until he actually dominates at the college level. Dominating at high school is something Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry did.

Yeah, Lebron James, too.

 

 

Congratulations for citing the one inarguably brilliant high school player in the NBA. Need I list all the "can't miss" highschoolers who burnt out? Or the fact that Kobe Bryant was a mid first rounder? You just don't know.

 

And as someone else said, comparing a guard/forward's talent in high school to a seven footer is apples and oranges.

 

Did you intentionally cut out the rest of 1908's post because it proved the first half of your post wrong?

 

It's a moot point with the new collective bargaining agreement, but high school players had a higher success rate in the NBA in terms of developing into stars and a nearly identical three-year development window to college players.

 

No, I'm not ignoring it. I'd like to see some actual numbers to back this up though. There is also a matter of sample size here, as many, many more college players were drafted in the same span as a smaller group of high schoolers, and clearly only the best of the best high schoolers would even declare.

[ctcf]

As expected Scoop Jackson managed to write a really dumb article about this.

[Chocolate Milk]

As expected Scoop Jackson managed to write a really dumb article about this.

 

I had trouble following it. I didn't even understand what he was talking about.