The Corey Patterson Thread

[BigSlick]

"We knew it wasn't going to be an overnight thing. We tried not to change a whole lot of things. Eventually, we got him to bunt a little bit. We said we're not going to take anything away from your game, but we want to add the bunting, keep you out of slumps, keep you mentally up. One night we were fortunate enough for him to lay down a bunt and get a base hit, and from that point on, he became a force."

 

 

My GAWD. They've got the CPatt bunting now too? Oh my God man this entire coaching staff has got to GO. Now!

 

Wow. Just what we needed, more salt in our wounds.

 

After the CPatt trade went down some friends of mine who are Cardinal fans told me CPatt would flourish away from the Cubs - not probably, but would. They said they never saw a more classic example of a guy who needed a change of scenery. I vehemently disagreed ("he seems to be uncoachable", "no plate discipline whatsoever", "waste of natural talent", etc.) And now I'm sort of eating crow.

 

He still has no plate discipline, he'll be hitting .270 with an OBP of .300 by the end of the year.

[abuck1220]

Again, the Cubs tried to get CPatt to bunt for base hits, but it just didn't work. They even brougth in Vince Coleman to work with him. Baltimore tried and it worked. That's the difference between Patterson last year and this year.

 

false.

 

Look at Patterson's numbers when he isn't bunting for a base hit. Awful.

 

look at patterson's numbers when he isn't hitting a homerun. awful.

[cubfan1955]

Braves center fielder Andruw Jones should have been suspicious. Instead, as Patterson had hoped, Jones took his time getting the ball out of his glove. When he did, Patterson turned his decoy into a dead sprint to third. Jones recovered in time to throw out Patterson...

I fail to see how that wasn't a bone-headed play. If it were Jock doing it everyone here would be calling for his head.

 

I think the point writing about that play was to show that Corey had enough confidence to attempt going to third on a great defensive CF. There were worries about Corey's confidence after the treatment of coaches and the fans in Chicago.

I think that's a pretty poor example to use when he tries to "decoy" the CF and then gets nailed in the process. :D

 

It was also used to show that when he made a mistake, the Baltimore coaches praised his aggressiveness. A play like that in Chicago would have yielded a solid amount of criticism.

There is agressive and then there is stupid. Slowing down to decoy the CF and then getting thrown out by him is stupid, not agressive. And if the Oriole coaches praised him for that then they are dumber than our own brain dead coaches.

[srbin84]

Again, the Cubs tried to get CPatt to bunt for base hits, but it just didn't work. They even brougth in Vince Coleman to work with him. Baltimore tried and it worked. That's the difference between Patterson last year and this year.

 

false.

 

Look at Patterson's numbers when he isn't bunting for a base hit. Awful.

 

What's the point? What does it prove?

 

I think of hitting and bunting as two completely different things. If you look at Patterson's improved AVG., OBP, and SLG, it's much more to do with his improved bunting than improved hitting because the hitting hasn't improved much. He's bunting more and more successful when attempts to do so. As far as I remember, the Cubs wanted him to bunt more. For whatever reason, he didn't do it as much and as well at the same time as he is doing now. It's not all the Cubs coaches fault like people make it out to be, unless you are making the argument that the Cubs didn't want Corey to bunt as much as he is now. Crediting an improved ability to hit line drives and such for his better numbers is just flat out false.

[YearofDaCubs]

Personally, I don't care what Patterson does, I think we can all agree that this coaching staff has to go regardless of how Patterson turns out.

[srbin84]

Personally, I don't care what Patterson does, I think we can all agree that this coaching staff has to go regardless of how Patterson turns out.

 

I can agree with that.

[JC]

Hawkins' comments about nobody appreciating Patterson's hard work in returning from his injury is just pathetic. I remember Patterson receiving at least one standing ovation upon his return and he was showered with praise. Hawkins is still clueless. (See, Calling a Press Conference to Announce He Would Not Talk to the Press. See also, Blaming Umpire for Sucking During Childish Diatribe.)

[srbin84]

Hawkins' comments about nobody appreciating Patterson's hard work in returning from his injury is just pathetic. I remember Patterson receiving at least one standing ovation upon his return and he was showered with praise. Hawkins is still clueless. (See, Calling a Press Conference to Announce He Would Not Talk to the Press. See also, Blaming Umpire for Sucking During Childish Diatribe.)

 

Don't forget "I can do your job, but you can't do mine so stop criticizing me"

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Again, the Cubs tried to get CPatt to bunt for base hits, but it just didn't work. They even brougth in Vince Coleman to work with him. Baltimore tried and it worked. That's the difference between Patterson last year and this year.

 

false.

 

Look at Patterson's numbers when he isn't bunting for a base hit. Awful.

 

What's the point? What does it prove?

 

It proves he has a horrible batting average when you take away his hits.

[Productive Outs]

Crediting an improved ability to hit line drives and such for his better numbers is just flat out false.

 

that's not true. 2004-2006 LD%:

 

2004: 19.1%

2005: 17.7%

2006: 22.0%

 

his HR/F is also higher this year:

 

2004: 12.5%

2005: 10.7%

2006: 12.8%

 

THT

[srbin84]

Crediting an improved ability to hit line drives and such for his better numbers is just flat out false.

 

that's not true. 2004-2006 LD%:

 

2004: 19.1%

2005: 17.7%

2006: 22.0%

 

his HR/F is also higher this year:

 

2004: 12.5%

2005: 10.7%

2006: 12.8%

 

THT

 

It's probably even more exaggerated now, but I calculated his numbers minus his bunt hits and bunt hit attempts, and the numbers weren't pretty. A large portion of his hits this year are bunt singles. A smaller separate portion are infield singles (speed). He's basically Juan Pierre with a little more power.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Hawkins' comments about nobody appreciating Patterson's hard work in returning from his injury is just pathetic. I remember Patterson receiving at least one standing ovation upon his return and he was showered with praise. Hawkins is still clueless. (See, Calling a Press Conference to Announce He Would Not Talk to the Press. See also, Blaming Umpire for Sucking During Childish Diatribe.)

 

Don't forget "I can do your job, but you can't do mine so stop criticizing me"

 

Hawkins went so far as to thank Cubs general manager Jim Hendry for trading both Patterson and himself.

 

"He knew Corey was talented and that a change of scenery would be right for him," Hawkins said. "Fans don't understand the game. Everyone has a bad season.

 

Good to see LaTroy continues to ingratiate himself to the fans!

[srbin84]

Again, the Cubs tried to get CPatt to bunt for base hits, but it just didn't work. They even brougth in Vince Coleman to work with him. Baltimore tried and it worked. That's the difference between Patterson last year and this year.

 

false.

 

Look at Patterson's numbers when he isn't bunting for a base hit. Awful.

 

What's the point? What does it prove?

 

It proves he has a horrible batting average when you take away his hits.

 

This is the last post I'm going to make on the subject in this thread, but yes, that's it. Plus, OBP and SLG.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Again, the Cubs tried to get CPatt to bunt for base hits, but it just didn't work. They even brougth in Vince Coleman to work with him. Baltimore tried and it worked. That's the difference between Patterson last year and this year.

 

false.

 

Look at Patterson's numbers when he isn't bunting for a base hit. Awful.

 

What's the point? What does it prove?

 

It proves he has a horrible batting average when you take away his hits.

 

This is the last post I'm going to make on the subject in this thread, but yes, that's it. Plus, OBP and SLG.

 

It's nice of you to finally admit that you're ignoring parts to evaluate the whole in your last post on the subject.

[Monco]

Everyone knows that Corey has all the tools physically and a high ceiling. There were and still are doubts that he will become a great player or even average. While the coaches are terrible, you have to look what you got back for him...nothing much. They gave him away. Thats what really bothers me. When you look at what they got,they should have kept him . He could have been the 4th outfielder. How much less could they have gotten in return if they waited another year?

[abuck1220]

If you look at Patterson's improved AVG., OBP, and SLG, it's much more to do with his improved bunting than improved hitting because the hitting hasn't improved much.

 

any post that claims that an improved slugging % is the result of more bunting deserves to be quoted. good stuff.

[abuck1220]

also, it's worth noting that corey is hitting fewer ground balls this year than in 04 and considerably more than in 05, further refuting the claim that his good numbers are the result of bunts.

[Pickle]

This is 2003 all over again(except maybe he won't get hurt). He started off on fire and he's been cooling off every month since. He still doesn't walk and he still K's a lot. The difference is that the Orioles cut him loose on the basepaths.

 

And trying to fool Andruw Jones, one of the top 2 or 3 CF's in the game, is stupid any way ya slice it. The fact the Orioles were happy when he tried it means that Corey should be very happy in Baltimore as long as that regime is in charge.

[Abe Frohman]

I think the point they were trying to make about Corey running on Jones was that he was fearless and willing (also able) to challenge the best defense. If I had his speed, I would have done the same thing.

 

I am happy that CP is having a great year, just wish he could have put it together for the Cubs.

 

Bunts or no bunts, the fact is that Corey is swinging the bat 100% better than last year - when he was fooled and clueless just about every time he stepped up to the dish.

 

Congrats to Corey and the Orioles. Now what is it going to take to get Pierre productive while he is still a Cub.....

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Crediting an improved ability to hit line drives and such for his better numbers is just flat out false.

 

that's not true. 2004-2006 LD%:

 

2004: 19.1%

2005: 17.7%

2006: 22.0%

 

his HR/F is also higher this year:

 

2004: 12.5%

2005: 10.7%

2006: 12.8%

 

THT

 

It's probably even more exaggerated now, but I calculated his numbers minus his bunt hits and bunt hit attempts, and the numbers weren't pretty. A large portion of his hits this year are bunt singles. A smaller separate portion are infield singles (speed). He's basically Juan Pierre with a little more power.

 

Oddly enough, the stats Dobson posted disprove your point that Corey is just pulling a Slappy.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Crediting an improved ability to hit line drives and such for his better numbers is just flat out false.

 

that's not true. 2004-2006 LD%:

 

2004: 19.1%

2005: 17.7%

2006: 22.0%

 

his HR/F is also higher this year:

 

2004: 12.5%

2005: 10.7%

2006: 12.8%

 

THT

 

It's probably even more exaggerated now, but I calculated his numbers minus his bunt hits and bunt hit attempts, and the numbers weren't pretty. A large portion of his hits this year are bunt singles. A smaller separate portion are infield singles (speed). He's basically Juan Pierre with a little more power.

 

Oddly enough, the stats Dobson posted disprove your point that Corey is just pulling a Slappy.

 

I was wondering if it was just me.

 

http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/1456/1167794661288176820_rs.jpg

[Geech]

Oddly enough, the stats Dobson posted disprove your point that Corey is just pulling a Slappy.

 

I was wondering if it was just me.

 

http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/1456/1167794661288176820_rs.jpg

 

You should know that srbin has never let reality get in the way of a goo- uh... an argument, at any rate.

[Jon]

Corey is 2-4 tonight with a HR to right (#10), a single, and a stolen base.

[sweetpeteman]

What I have gotten from this has been like saying if you took away all of Lee's win assisted homeruns from last year, he would of hit less homeruns.

 

Or if you took away the foul tip strike outs from Z, he would have a worse K/BB rate...

[abuck1220]

Corey is 2-4 tonight with a HR to right (#10), a single, and a stolen base.

 

pfft...without the hr, stolen base, and the single, he's just 0-2.