Murton & Cedeno have disappeared in May.

[BigbadB]

florida & their kids are awful. the organization is a disgrace

 

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace.

 

this is a discussion about 2006.

 

I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years.

 

You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team?

 

While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now.

[CubfaninCA]

florida & their kids are awful. the organization is a disgrace

 

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace.

 

this is a discussion about 2006.

 

the organization you call a disgrace has won 2 of the last 8 world series. I'm sure you would have called the 1998 team a disgrace as well. unlike the cubs, the marlins have a plan and they stick to it. this year's team is not good, but they have a future. the cubs future is more mediocrity

 

perhaps a future in san antonio.. you're taking what I wrote out of context.

[CubfaninCA]

dangit

[BigSlick]

florida & their kids are awful. the organization is a disgrace

 

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace.

 

this is a discussion about 2006.

 

I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years.

 

You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team?

 

While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now.

 

Its really the only way (and the best way) for the team to eventually field a championship contender. They trade away all their quality veterans they no longer can pay for, stock up on young talent, groom 'em, and when its all set and ready, stock up on some free agent role players and make a run. Its allowed them to steal away 2 World Series trophies in little over a decade of existence. Considering how small market the team is, its pretty darn impressive.

 

It certainly is more impressive than the wheel of mediocrity that is turned every year here in Chicago. Every year we trade away promising talent from our farm system, stock up on mediocre free agents over the hill and past a prime that wasn't...and well, you know the rest.

[stitchface]

out of context? What I'm saying is that organization that is complete shambles financially, has won two world series by going with youth and likely will rebuild and win again with youth before the Cubs can figure out how to score runs. the cubs have deluded themselves into pretending to be contenders - as a result their prospects never get a chance. While the Marlins are awful in 2006, they will figure out who is a major league player and who isn't and they will develop the keepers. See also Tigers and A's. The Cubs give a pitcher 4 starts and then rip him and send him back to a level where he has nothing to prove. If the Cubs were a contender or had a suitable alternative, this might make sense.

[CubfaninCA]

florida & their kids are awful. the organization is a disgrace

 

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace.

 

this is a discussion about 2006.

 

I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years.

 

You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team?

 

While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now.

 

They aren't going to make much noise w/ that itty bitty budget of their's. Florida might not even win 50 games this year.

 

The Cubs are probably in for a poor season, but Lee's return should push them over 70 wins, at least. If Prior's back, 75+. Woohoo. :)

[stitchface]

is 70 wins better than 50 when you haven't won a world series since 1908?

[CubfaninCA]

florida & their kids are awful. the organization is a disgrace

 

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace.

 

this is a discussion about 2006.

 

I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years.

 

You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team?

 

While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now.

 

Its really the only way (and the best way) for the team to eventually field a championship contender. They trade away all their quality veterans they no longer can pay for, stock up on young talent, groom 'em, and when its all set and ready, stock up on some free agent role players and make a run. Its allowed them to steal away 2 World Series trophies in little over a decade of existence. Considering how small market the team is, its pretty darn impressive.

 

It certainly is more impressive than the wheel of mediocrity that is turned every year here in Chicago. Every year we trade away promising talent from our farm system, stock up on mediocre free agents over the hill and past a prime that wasn't...and well, you know the rest.

 

The Cubs were a Bartman interference away from taking it in 2003. Huzienga spent like a fiend in 1997. Iirc they spent like crazy on free agents. The Trib would never allow that.

[BigSlick]

florida & their kids are awful. the organization is a disgrace

 

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace.

 

this is a discussion about 2006.

 

I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years.

 

You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team?

 

While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now.

 

They aren't going to make much noise w/ that itty bitty budget of their's. Florida might not even win 50 games this year.

 

The Cubs are probably in for a poor season, but Lee's return should push them over 70 wins, at least. If Prior's back, 75+. Woohoo. :)

 

What? Thats not even good. Thats like saying you'll settle for 7-9 every season with your football team. Its better than being 4-12 right? Well except that 4-12 team might turn it around the next year and win the Super Bowl.

 

I'd rather we bomb and get a better draft pick, shake up the organization...drop some players...etc.

 

Being mediocre is exactly whats wrong with this team. And fans, like you, who are happy with a 70 win season is exactly what we don't need.

[BigSlick]

florida & their kids are awful. the organization is a disgrace

 

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace.

 

this is a discussion about 2006.

 

I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years.

 

You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team?

 

While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now.

 

Its really the only way (and the best way) for the team to eventually field a championship contender. They trade away all their quality veterans they no longer can pay for, stock up on young talent, groom 'em, and when its all set and ready, stock up on some free agent role players and make a run. Its allowed them to steal away 2 World Series trophies in little over a decade of existence. Considering how small market the team is, its pretty darn impressive.

 

It certainly is more impressive than the wheel of mediocrity that is turned every year here in Chicago. Every year we trade away promising talent from our farm system, stock up on mediocre free agents over the hill and past a prime that wasn't...and well, you know the rest.

 

The Cubs were a Bartman interference away from taking it in 2003. Huzienga spent like a fiend in 1997. Iirc they spent like crazy on free agents. The Trib would never allow that.

 

They took their shot. They saw they were on the brink, and pushed themselves over the edge. Bartman or not, they won the World Series after beating us and the Yankees. You can't steal the trophy away from them.

 

The Cubs will never win because this organization is too afraid of pulling the trigger. (I.E. taking an actual risk instead of risking oh so much more on terrible players)

[CubfaninCA]

is 70 wins better than 50 when you haven't won a world series since 1908?

 

yes.

 

perhaps they should just lose every game tho.. :?

[Chris]

The Cubs were a Bartman interference away from taking it in 2003.

 

:shock:

[Guest]

is 70 wins better than 50 when you haven't won a world series since 1908?

I for one would much prefer oscillating between 50-90 wins than rotting in the 70-win purgatory the Cubs seem to be stuck in.

[stitchface]

a bartman interference from taking what? that series? Maybe. The world series, big maybe?

 

the Cubs were an up and coming team at that point, they nearly made the world series, they had a solid young core and a great farm system. now where are they?

[BigSlick]

The Cubs were a Bartman interference away from taking it in 2003.

 

:shock:

 

Evidently if we make the second out in the 8th inning (which is and of itself not a given) we also finish off the game, and beat those pansy Yankees.

 

We know how weak a team they usually field. :roll:

[Chris]

Any loss hurts. Not sure about the games Guzman started, but the Cubs were shutout in 3 of the 4 games that Hill started. The Cubs put 1 on the board in the other start. Even if Hill is on, hard to win games when you're not scoring any runs. Criticize Hill for giving up runs, but be consistent and criticize the offense for not scoring. Not fair at all to pin 4 losses on the pitcher in 4 games that the Cubs put up 1 run.

[BigbadB]

They aren't going to make much noise w/ that itty bitty budget of their's. Florida might not even win 50 games this year.

 

The Cubs are probably in for a poor season, but Lee's return should push them over 70 wins, at least. If Prior's back, 75+. Woohoo. :)

 

Honestly, I'd rather watch a bunch of minimum base salary guys hustling their butts off and playing sound, fundamental baseball than watch a bunch of overpaid millionaires quit running half way down the first base line on a routine groundout or getting caught off base on a routine fly ball.

 

There is certainly something to be said about trading your top players for a school bus full of minor league prospects. I like that option over trading your top player for a career platoon 2nd baseman and a couple of never were minor leaguers while paying his entire salary to play for someone else.

[BigSlick]

is 70 wins better than 50 when you haven't won a world series since 1908?

yes.

perhaps they should just lose every game tho.. :?

 

Why?

[CubfaninCA]

florida & their kids are awful. the organization is a disgrace

 

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace.

 

this is a discussion about 2006.

 

I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years.

 

You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team?

 

While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now.

 

They aren't going to make much noise w/ that itty bitty budget of their's. Florida might not even win 50 games this year.

 

The Cubs are probably in for a poor season, but Lee's return should push them over 70 wins, at least. If Prior's back, 75+. Woohoo. :)

 

What? Thats not even good. Thats like saying you'll settle for 7-9 every season with your football team. Its better than being 4-12 right? Well except that 4-12 team might turn it around the next year and win the Super Bowl.

 

I'd rather we bomb and get a better draft pick, shake up the organization...drop some players...etc.

 

Being mediocre is exactly whats wrong with this team. And fans, like you, who are happy with a 70 win season is exactly what we don't need.

 

What you failed to mention is dropping down to a $15 million budget. Baker might win 1 game out of 162 w/ that.

[BigSlick]

florida & their kids are awful. the organization is a disgrace

 

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace.

 

this is a discussion about 2006.

 

I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years.

 

You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team?

 

While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now.

 

They aren't going to make much noise w/ that itty bitty budget of their's. Florida might not even win 50 games this year.

 

The Cubs are probably in for a poor season, but Lee's return should push them over 70 wins, at least. If Prior's back, 75+. Woohoo. :)

 

What? Thats not even good. Thats like saying you'll settle for 7-9 every season with your football team. Its better than being 4-12 right? Well except that 4-12 team might turn it around the next year and win the Super Bowl.

 

I'd rather we bomb and get a better draft pick, shake up the organization...drop some players...etc.

 

Being mediocre is exactly whats wrong with this team. And fans, like you, who are happy with a 70 win season is exactly what we don't need.

 

What you failed to mention is dropping down to a $15 million budget. Baker might win 1 game out of 162 w/ that.

 

I'm confused...shouldn't they be commended for doing so much with so little?

[CubfaninCA]

They aren't going to make much noise w/ that itty bitty budget of their's. Florida might not even win 50 games this year.

 

The Cubs are probably in for a poor season, but Lee's return should push them over 70 wins, at least. If Prior's back, 75+. Woohoo. :)

 

Honestly, I'd rather watch a bunch of minimum base salary guys hustling their butts off and playing sound, fundamental baseball than watch a bunch of overpaid millionaires quit running half way down the first base line on a routine groundout or getting caught off base on a routine fly ball.

 

There is certainly something to be said about trading your top players for a school bus full of minor league prospects. I like that option over trading your top player for a career platoon 2nd baseman and a couple of never were minor leaguers while paying his entire salary to play for someone else.

 

My big problem w/ both Florida teams is that they've quit funding their teams. Like I said earlier in the thread the Marlins need to move...

 

I gotta go workout.

 

Go Cubs!

[CubfaninCA]

florida & their kids are awful. the organization is a disgrace

 

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace.

 

this is a discussion about 2006.

 

I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years.

 

You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team?

 

While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now.

 

They aren't going to make much noise w/ that itty bitty budget of their's. Florida might not even win 50 games this year.

 

The Cubs are probably in for a poor season, but Lee's return should push them over 70 wins, at least. If Prior's back, 75+. Woohoo. :)

 

What? Thats not even good. Thats like saying you'll settle for 7-9 every season with your football team. Its better than being 4-12 right? Well except that 4-12 team might turn it around the next year and win the Super Bowl.

 

I'd rather we bomb and get a better draft pick, shake up the organization...drop some players...etc.

 

Being mediocre is exactly whats wrong with this team. And fans, like you, who are happy with a 70 win season is exactly what we don't need.

 

What you failed to mention is dropping down to a $15 million budget. Baker might win 1 game out of 162 w/ that.

 

I'm confused...shouldn't they be commended for doing so much with so little?

 

no. they should leave florida.

 

ok leaving now. :)

[BigSlick]

florida & their kids are awful. the organization is a disgrace

 

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace.

 

this is a discussion about 2006.

 

I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years.

 

You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team?

 

While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now.

 

They aren't going to make much noise w/ that itty bitty budget of their's. Florida might not even win 50 games this year.

 

The Cubs are probably in for a poor season, but Lee's return should push them over 70 wins, at least. If Prior's back, 75+. Woohoo. :)

 

What? Thats not even good. Thats like saying you'll settle for 7-9 every season with your football team. Its better than being 4-12 right? Well except that 4-12 team might turn it around the next year and win the Super Bowl.

 

I'd rather we bomb and get a better draft pick, shake up the organization...drop some players...etc.

 

Being mediocre is exactly whats wrong with this team. And fans, like you, who are happy with a 70 win season is exactly what we don't need.

 

What you failed to mention is dropping down to a $15 million budget. Baker might win 1 game out of 162 w/ that.

 

I'm confused...shouldn't they be commended for doing so much with so little?

 

no. they should leave florida.

 

ok leaving now. :)

 

Yet they arguably have a brighter future with a 15 million dollar payroll than the Cubs and their 95 million.

 

I find it interesting how we can come to completely different conclusions from this discussion. Amazing how the human mind works.

 

I trust you'll read this later: The Marlins are going to be horrid this year. I'd be very surprised if they get 60 wins. However, they likely will have the rookie of the year on their team, and have positively robbed some teams (The Cubs, The Red Sox....etc.) of some very promising prospects.

 

The point is. They are spending 15 million dollars...their fans are pissed...they are going to be terrible this year - yet their future is much brighter than the Cubs'. They have some sort of direction. They've done this before, and if they stay in Florida...they likely will do it again. They will stock up, reload, and take another shot at the postseason.

 

The Cubs will keep spinning in the toilet of 65-85 wins...either because our manager can't force himself to pull the trigger, or because they just truly don't care about winning a championship.

[CubfaninCA]

Any loss hurts. Not sure about the games Guzman started, but the Cubs were shutout in 3 of the 4 games that Hill started. The Cubs put 1 on the board in the other start. Even if Hill is on, hard to win games when you're not scoring any runs. Criticize Hill for giving up runs, but be consistent and criticize the offense for not scoring. Not fair at all to pin 4 losses on the pitcher in 4 games that the Cubs put up 1 run.

 

I criticized Murton, Cedeno, Pierre & Walker earlier in this thread. Hill & Guz gave the Cubs little chance to win tho...

[CubfaninCA]

Slick,

 

Florida's apparently on the verge of dealing off Willis. Florida has no chance of contending any time soon. That rotation is very thin. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't recall Florida ever gutting payroll like this. This is Tampa-like.

 

Poo poo this if you want, but if Prior & Lee return the Cubs can contend. Lets remember the 2 most valuable Cubs aren't playing.