4/30 Cubs (Big Z) vs Beermakers (Capuano) 1 pm WGN

[Mizzou]

Losing 2 out of 3 at home makes me sad.

 

[expletive] Brewers.

 

It's not the Brewers it's the pitching.

 

We get it. You're anti-Z this year.

 

 

I'm pro good pitcher. I'm not going to stand up for the guy blindly. What has he done to earn praise? Look at his numbers (not just this game but before hand). His ERA, WHIP, etc. He still has time to make adjustments but there's been little to get excited about.

Haha, you can't be serious.

 

Haha/ What has he done this year?

He hasn't been as good as last year, obviously, but he's still had a quality start in half of his outtings (3 of 6 counting today). He hasn't been near as bad as you're making him out to be.

[Blueheart05]

Losing 2 out of 3 at home makes me sad.

 

[expletive] Brewers.

 

It's not the Brewers it's the pitching.

 

We get it. You're anti-Z this year.

 

 

I'm pro good pitcher. I'm not going to stand up for the guy blindly. What has he done to earn praise? Look at his numbers (not just this game but before hand). His ERA, WHIP, etc. He still has time to make adjustments but there's been little to get excited about.

 

Coming into today's game, Z has struggled at his standards. And yet he had above league-average stats in ERA (3.94) and BAA (.227) and below-average in WHIP (1.52, stemming from his high walk-rate).

 

And of course, he's been the Cubs best pitcher the last 3 years and one of the best in all of baseball.

 

 

This year he has not been good. 1.52 WHIP is not good for someone who's an ace. His numbers have been sub par. I have no problem with people willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, because of his previous success, but at the same time, please don't act like he's pitched well this year.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Cubs fans crack me up. Z has stunk this year. Maybe he's been average at this, above average here, below average there -- but he's been sub-par for himself up to this point. If you can't see that he has been disappointing so far this season, you are not watching him.

[Blueheart05]

Losing 2 out of 3 at home makes me sad.

 

[expletive] Brewers.

 

It's not the Brewers it's the pitching.

 

We get it. You're anti-Z this year.

 

 

I'm pro good pitcher. I'm not going to stand up for the guy blindly. What has he done to earn praise? Look at his numbers (not just this game but before hand). His ERA, WHIP, etc. He still has time to make adjustments but there's been little to get excited about.

Haha, you can't be serious.

 

Haha/ What has he done this year?

He hasn't been as good as last year, obviously, but he's still had a quality start in half of his outtings (3 of 6 counting today). He hasn't been near as bad as you're making him out to be.

 

Maybe not for a 3rd starter.

[Mizzou]

Agreed, let up on Blueheart, people. Z had a pretty damn bad game today and I don't see the problem with saying that.

Oh he had a terrible game today, no doubt about it. I don't think anyone is taking issue with people saying that.

[badger1679666666]

Losing 2 out of 3 at home makes me sad.

 

[expletive] Brewers.

 

It's not the Brewers it's the pitching.

 

We get it. You're anti-Z this year.

 

 

I'm pro good pitcher. I'm not going to stand up for the guy blindly. What has he done to earn praise? Look at his numbers (not just this game but before hand). His ERA, WHIP, etc. He still has time to make adjustments but there's been little to get excited about.

 

That's fine, but your rhetoric has been imflammatory at the least regarding Z. I'm just letting you know we get it. And it's quite exaggerated.

 

Where have I exaggerated anything?

 

you can't be serious? Just read everyone elses posts that give information contrary to the imflammatory claims you've made in the last two pages. I'm not gonna retype it all - TT and Hornkohl and someone else did an adequate job.

[Flames24Rulz]

Losing 2 out of 3 at home makes me sad.

 

[expletive] Brewers.

 

It's not the Brewers it's the pitching.

 

We get it. You're anti-Z this year.

 

 

I'm pro good pitcher. I'm not going to stand up for the guy blindly. What has he done to earn praise? Look at his numbers (not just this game but before hand). His ERA, WHIP, etc. He still has time to make adjustments but there's been little to get excited about.

Haha, you can't be serious.

 

Haha/ What has he done this year?

He hasn't been as good as last year, obviously, but he's still had a quality start in half of his outtings (3 of 6 counting today). He hasn't been near as bad as you're making him out to be.

 

are those numbers acceptable for an ace though? I think that's the point Blueheart is trying to make.

[cubweiser03]

Sad Commentary Alert:

I honestly think it will be better if this game gets called. Give up and move on the next day to not tax this bullpen anymore. They will need it the next 2 days with marshall and guzman. please god end this thing.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Losing 2 out of 3 at home makes me sad.

 

[expletive] Brewers.

 

It's not the Brewers it's the pitching.

 

We get it. You're anti-Z this year.

 

 

I'm pro good pitcher. I'm not going to stand up for the guy blindly. What has he done to earn praise? Look at his numbers (not just this game but before hand). His ERA, WHIP, etc. He still has time to make adjustments but there's been little to get excited about.

 

Coming into today's game, Z has struggled at his standards. And yet he had above league-average stats in ERA (3.94) and BAA (.227) and below-average in WHIP (1.52, stemming from his high walk-rate).

 

And of course, he's been the Cubs best pitcher the last 3 years and one of the best in all of baseball.

 

 

This year he has not been good. 1.52 WHIP is not good for someone who's an ace. His numbers have been sub par. I have no problem with people willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, because of his previous success, but at the same time, please don't act like he's pitched well this year.

 

I didn't say he pitched well. In fact, I believe the first sentence I typed was that he has struggled by his standards. I believe you said this:

 

Zamnbrano has been crap all year.

 

The stats I listed, including his ERA and BAA - and his 3 quality starts show that you're either 1) wrong or 2) very hyperbolic.

 

Z has not been good this year, and awful today. But crap all year?

[bhogg]

I find it hilarious that it's okay to ride Pierre's and Jones's asses, but not okay to get on Z (and sometimes Ramirez).

[Shavo]

We have 2 ... 2 ... 2 FREAKIN HITS OFF CAPUANO?

 

What a joke.

[Mizzou]

Losing 2 out of 3 at home makes me sad.

 

[expletive] Brewers.

 

It's not the Brewers it's the pitching.

 

We get it. You're anti-Z this year.

 

 

I'm pro good pitcher. I'm not going to stand up for the guy blindly. What has he done to earn praise? Look at his numbers (not just this game but before hand). His ERA, WHIP, etc. He still has time to make adjustments but there's been little to get excited about.

Haha, you can't be serious.

 

Haha/ What has he done this year?

He hasn't been as good as last year, obviously, but he's still had a quality start in half of his outtings (3 of 6 counting today). He hasn't been near as bad as you're making him out to be.

 

are those numbers acceptable for an ace though? I think that's the point Blueheart is trying to make.

The question was "what has Zambrano done to earn praise?" Well, he's had three solid outtings. He hasn't been a bad pitcher this year. Worse than expected, but he hasn't pitched poorly as a whole.

[Blueheart05]

 

Haha/ What has he done this year?

 

04/03 - 04/29        IP    H    R   ER   BB    K   HR    PC  BB/9   K/9  HR/9  WHIP   ERA
Zambrano           29.7   25   16   13   20   33    5   545  6.07 10.01  1.52  1.52  3.94

 

Are these numbers, as a whole, suppose to be impressive? He's allowing almost 4 runs a games coming into today and walking too many batters. These are not numbers representative of an ace.

[JonnyRed]

Losing 2 out of 3 at home makes me sad.

 

[expletive] Brewers.

 

It's not the Brewers it's the pitching.

 

We get it. You're anti-Z this year.

 

 

I'm pro good pitcher. I'm not going to stand up for the guy blindly. What has he done to earn praise? Look at his numbers (not just this game but before hand). His ERA, WHIP, etc. He still has time to make adjustments but there's been little to get excited about.

Haha, you can't be serious.

 

Zambrano hasn't done anything to deserve praise this year. He's regressed pretty significantly from last year's performance.

[Blueheart05]

Losing 2 out of 3 at home makes me sad.

 

[expletive] Brewers.

 

It's not the Brewers it's the pitching.

 

We get it. You're anti-Z this year.

 

 

I'm pro good pitcher. I'm not going to stand up for the guy blindly. What has he done to earn praise? Look at his numbers (not just this game but before hand). His ERA, WHIP, etc. He still has time to make adjustments but there's been little to get excited about.

Haha, you can't be serious.

 

Haha/ What has he done this year?

He hasn't been as good as last year, obviously, but he's still had a quality start in half of his outtings (3 of 6 counting today). He hasn't been near as bad as you're making him out to be.

 

are those numbers acceptable for an ace though? I think that's the point Blueheart is trying to make.

The question was "what has Zambrano done to earn praise?" Well, he's had three solid outtings. He hasn't been a bad pitcher this year. Worse than expected, but he hasn't pitched poorly as a whole.

 

As a whole he has pitched poorly. Between the walks and allowing almost 4 runs a game, I'd say it hasn't been good.

[Flames24Rulz]

Losing 2 out of 3 at home makes me sad.

 

[expletive] Brewers.

 

It's not the Brewers it's the pitching.

 

We get it. You're anti-Z this year.

 

 

I'm pro good pitcher. I'm not going to stand up for the guy blindly. What has he done to earn praise? Look at his numbers (not just this game but before hand). His ERA, WHIP, etc. He still has time to make adjustments but there's been little to get excited about.

Haha, you can't be serious.

 

Haha/ What has he done this year?

He hasn't been as good as last year, obviously, but he's still had a quality start in half of his outtings (3 of 6 counting today). He hasn't been near as bad as you're making him out to be.

 

are those numbers acceptable for an ace though? I think that's the point Blueheart is trying to make.

The question was "what has Zambrano done to earn praise?" Well, he's had three solid outtings. He hasn't been a bad pitcher this year. Worse than expected, but he hasn't pitched poorly as a whole.

 

yeah I agree with that. He rebounded from a below average start of the game against Florida to be real dominant in the later stages and he looked real good in doing so.

 

I think more than anything about Z is his lack of control so far this year. There have been a ton of walks this year in basically every start, including the good starts he had against the Cards and the Dodgers.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

are those numbers acceptable for an ace though? I think that's the point Blueheart is trying to make.

 

When you say "Zamnbrano(sic) has been crap all year" and "Being the ace also means you don't melt down just about every game", you're going to get called out on it, because Z hasn't been crap all year nor has he melted down just about every game. There's a very real difference between poor performance and inconsistent performance. Say Z hasn't pitched like an "ace"(which is unnecessarily arbitrary anyway, but I digress), fine, but when you exaggerate further upon that to paint him as someone who hasn't done a positive thing all year when he clearly has people are going to catch you.

Edited April 30, 2006 by Transmogrified Tiger

[Fred Hornkohl]

With today's effort, Zambrano has raised his WHIP from 1.52 to 1.72. His ERA from 3.94 to 5.35. His BB/9 from 6.07 to 6.68. I think it's safe to say he's been stinking it up big time.

[Shavo]

Z will be fine guys. Our hitting is pathetic. That won't be fine.

[Blueheart05]

I find it hilarious that it's okay to ride Pierre's and Jones's asses, but not okay to get on Z (and sometimes Ramirez).

 

I agree.

[Mizzou]

Losing 2 out of 3 at home makes me sad.

 

[expletive] Brewers.

 

It's not the Brewers it's the pitching.

 

We get it. You're anti-Z this year.

 

 

I'm pro good pitcher. I'm not going to stand up for the guy blindly. What has he done to earn praise? Look at his numbers (not just this game but before hand). His ERA, WHIP, etc. He still has time to make adjustments but there's been little to get excited about.

Haha, you can't be serious.

 

Haha/ What has he done this year?

He hasn't been as good as last year, obviously, but he's still had a quality start in half of his outtings (3 of 6 counting today). He hasn't been near as bad as you're making him out to be.

 

are those numbers acceptable for an ace though? I think that's the point Blueheart is trying to make.

The question was "what has Zambrano done to earn praise?" Well, he's had three solid outtings. He hasn't been a bad pitcher this year. Worse than expected, but he hasn't pitched poorly as a whole.

 

As a whole he has pitched poorly. Between the walks and allowing almost 4 runs a game, I'd say it hasn't been good.

Then I guess we just have different definitions of poorly. I don't consider an ERA slightly under four to be poor.

[Blueheart05]

With today's effort, Zambrano has raised his WHIP from 1.52 to 1.72. His ERA from 3.94 to 5.35. His BB/9 from 6.07 to 6.68. I think it's safe to say he's been stinking it up big time.

 

No question!

[illiniguy]

We seriously need to do something to address our woeful offense. We have no help really coming from the minors outside of Pie either.

[JonnyRed]

Losing 2 out of 3 at home makes me sad.

 

[expletive] Brewers.

 

It's not the Brewers it's the pitching.

 

We get it. You're anti-Z this year.

 

 

I'm pro good pitcher. I'm not going to stand up for the guy blindly. What has he done to earn praise? Look at his numbers (not just this game but before hand). His ERA, WHIP, etc. He still has time to make adjustments but there's been little to get excited about.

Haha, you can't be serious.

 

Zambrano hasn't done anything to deserve praise this year. He's regressed pretty significantly from last year's performance.

[Blueheart05]

Losing 2 out of 3 at home makes me sad.

 

[expletive] Brewers.

 

It's not the Brewers it's the pitching.

 

We get it. You're anti-Z this year.

 

 

I'm pro good pitcher. I'm not going to stand up for the guy blindly. What has he done to earn praise? Look at his numbers (not just this game but before hand). His ERA, WHIP, etc. He still has time to make adjustments but there's been little to get excited about.

Haha, you can't be serious.

 

Haha/ What has he done this year?

He hasn't been as good as last year, obviously, but he's still had a quality start in half of his outtings (3 of 6 counting today). He hasn't been near as bad as you're making him out to be.

 

are those numbers acceptable for an ace though? I think that's the point Blueheart is trying to make.

The question was "what has Zambrano done to earn praise?" Well, he's had three solid outtings. He hasn't been a bad pitcher this year. Worse than expected, but he hasn't pitched poorly as a whole.

 

As a whole he has pitched poorly. Between the walks and allowing almost 4 runs a game, I'd say it hasn't been good.

Then I guess we just have different definitions of poorly. I don't consider an ERA slightly under four to be poor.

 

 

Fine, even if he was on the edge coming into today's game. Look at his numbers now and tell me he's been good.