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Barry Zito is a FA this winter. Knowing Beane and the Moneyball, he won't w/ Oakland next year. Do you think we go after him at the deadline or do we wait until the winter and sign him then? He'd be a great pick-up, since he's a good pitcher, and he's healthy
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All I know so far is that he's really hurting my fantasy team.

 

Thanks a lot Zito.

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I won't be disappointed. I'd love to see a rotation next year of:

 

Zambrano, Prior, Wood, Miller, Guzman

 

I'm not one that just assumes that just because someone is unhealthy now will always be unhealthy. We have all of the rest of this year to see if Guzman, Wood, Prior and Miller are back from their past problems.

 

In the pen, Dempster and Williamson are guys who have been on the shelf, and I'm quite pleased at how they are doing.

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I'm open to the possibility of pursuing starting pitching in the offseason and possibly at the deadline, depending on the health of the staff.

 

My outlook of pitching has changed drastically over the past few years. I used to think that guys like Wood and Prior would be mostly healthy and productive. Throwing money at decent SPs just seemed excessive, ya know?

 

But, with this team, I think there is something to be said for having depth and quality. Maddux and Wood might both be gone after this season, leaving the Cubs with a rotation that looks something like...

 

Zambrano-Prior-Williams-Guzman/Marshall/Hill/Ryu/Rusch (haha)

 

I have the utmost faith and confidence in this staff. But, I also realize that this team needs quality inning-eaters that can be relied upon. Of those pitchers, Guzman, Prior, Marshall, and Ryu have all had injuries that caused them to miss significant time. There's a reasonable chance that the young pitching might not pan out as hoped.

 

So, there is something to be said for having some one like Zito or Mulder come in to add to the depth. Yeah, Mulder has had injury issues and Zito has been decidedly mediocre since he won the Cy Young, but I think it would be worthwhile throwing some cash their way. This staff needs quality and proven depth in order to succeed.

 

Now, depending on what the pitching staff is looking like come the trade deadline, I think a trade for Zito or a comparable pitcher could be most helpful. There's a good chance guys like Sean Gallagher, Eric Patterson, and Carlos Marmol will perform strongly and be attractive trading chips for the Cubs.

 

We'll see what happens, though. This team is so hard to get an accurate read on right now...

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I won't be disappointed. I'd love to see a rotation next year of:

 

Zambrano, Prior, Wood, Miller, Guzman

 

I'm not one that just assumes that just because someone is unhealthy now will always be unhealthy. We have all of the rest of this year to see if Guzman, Wood, Prior and Miller are back from their past problems.

 

In the pen, Dempster and Williamson are guys who have been on the shelf, and I'm quite pleased at how they are doing.

 

no marshall?

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I have no interest in Zito because of what he would cost the Cubs. I'd rather give Williams and Marshall a chance to prove themselves and use prospects for an impact RF.
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When I look at SP's I'd like the Cubs to aquire, the first thing I look at is health, the second is price. If they pass the first two tests, especially the first, I'll look at the numbers. I'll take a guy with numbers that are a little worse over a little better guy with a history of injuries all the time.
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I won't be disappointed. I'd love to see a rotation next year of:

 

Zambrano, Prior, Wood, Miller, Guzman

 

I'm not one that just assumes that just because someone is unhealthy now will always be unhealthy. We have all of the rest of this year to see if Guzman, Wood, Prior and Miller are back from their past problems.

 

In the pen, Dempster and Williamson are guys who have been on the shelf, and I'm quite pleased at how they are doing.

 

no marshall?

 

I like Marshall. But, if those guys are all on their games, I believe that makes Marshall a back up plan in case one of them gets put on the shelf. Each of the guys listed above in that rotation are all better than Marshall, IMO. It does lack a lefty though. Not that not having a lefty ever bothered me.

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Look at Zito and Williams's numbers over the last 3 years. When you consider their ages, the time under team control, the salary they'll command, and the team's current pitching depth, I don't think it's worth it.

 

And then look at the salary increases you will have to pay Z and Prior in the coming years. A Zito or Zito-esque acquisition means we will not be able to retain both Z and Prior under our current payroll. After all is said and done, if we dont resign Maddux and opt out of Wood's contract, we will only have about 7M to throw and CF and 2B.

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Barry Zito is a FA this winter. Knowing Beane and the Moneyball, he won't w/ Oakland next year. Do you think we go after him at the deadline or do we wait until the winter and sign him then? He'd be a great pick-up, since he's a good pitcher, and he's healthy

 

Please no. I think we have 5 SPs right now who would be better than Zito (in Wrigley) next year. Of course, they'd all have to be healthy (a BIG if).

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Prior is under our control thru 2008, and Z helped us by firing Scott Boras

 

neither of these matter much because they will still get big raises in arbitration. plus, Z becomes a free agent after next season and he will still be looking for a reasonable contract, even if he doesn't have boras as an agent.

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Sounds like Damon is recruiting him and Tori Hunter to go to New York next season.

 

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060417/SPORTS01/604170347/1108

 

Yankee Stadium is where I predict he'll end up next season. That park is one of the friendliest to left handed pitching in baseball, imo. Well...that and the fact that he'll get enough money to make a paper mache surfboard out of hundred dollar bills.

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I'd like to see Z/Zito/Maddux/Prior and the best of Guzman/Hill/Ryu next year.

 

I really don't want us to go after Zito. Ever since he won the Cy in 2002 he has been crap. I don't think we need to trade some of our good prospect for him. The way Zito is going, there is a good shot Marshall will be as good as Zito will be for the rest of his career. I know Zito has the potential for some good starts, but come on, Zito hasn't done anything an average pitcher couldn't do over the past 3 years. He has had 3 mediocre seasons. If we get an excellent deal for him, then yes, by all means trade for him. As for giving up quality prospects, which is what Billy Beane will want, definately don't do it.

 

That's not exactly true. Yes, he had a tough stretch in the 2004 season, and his overall 2005 numbers aren't eye-popping. However, his mechanics got way out of whack in 2003, causing his unspectacular seasons in 2003-2005. It was corrected last year, and his second half numbers were all better than the first half. His ERA, WHIP, K's/9, and OppAVG were all improved, as was his record. Hardly crap, though I agree that we shouldn't give up too much for him. Marshall or Hill and another marginal player? Yep, I'd do that. Guzman and Pie? Nope. No way.

 

Zito is a 16-12, 3.45 type of pitcher in the NL. I'd take that in the #3 or 4 slot in our rotation.

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Sounds like Damon is recruiting him and Tori Hunter to go to New York next season.

 

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060417/SPORTS01/604170347/1108

 

 

Why? Does Damon want to play LF? Hunter's much better defensively in CF than Damon.

Maybe he does.

 

Is Sheffield a free agent after this year? If so, and they get Hunter, you could put Hunter in RF I guess. Otherwise, Matsui would move to RF and Damon to LF.

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Sounds like Damon is recruiting him and Tori Hunter to go to New York next season.

 

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060417/SPORTS01/604170347/1108

 

 

Why? Does Damon want to play LF? Hunter's much better defensively in CF than Damon.

 

damon said he'd move to rf if they got hunter.

 

Johnny Damon doesn't seem to have received the memo that he has the arm of a 65-year-old. Put him in right field and baserunners would take extra bases on him ad nauseum. Put Damon in left, Hunter in center, Matsui in right, and Sheffield to DH, though, and you might have something there. The only question that raises is what they would do with Giambi when he needs days off from the field.

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From CBS.Sportsline today:

 

Barry Zito, SP OAK

 

News: Barry Zito knows his name will be mentioned in trade rumors this season. The latest came from New York Newsday, which said the Athletics are "discreetly" investigating trade possibilities.

 

Analysis: Oakland reportedly would like to receive three younger, less costly players in exchange for Zito.

 

3 younger, less costly players, huh? Surely we can offer that. And, no, I don't mean Pie, Hill, and Murton, or any other silly proposal like that. However, Hill is expendable, as is one of the superfluous right handers in the system (take your pick). And surely we can find a positional player to fit some needs in Oakland. Outside of Harvey, Pie, and Guzman, I'd be willing to part with just about anybody.

 

Zito will be costly, but we could offer him arby and either get a compensation pick for him or build around him, Z, and Prior in 2007. Adding Marshall full time to that rotation, as well as Guz would be a very good rotation. And, if EPatt progresses to ML ready, we'd have a very cheap, young middle infield, as well as LF and CF. We can afford Zito in terms of price and prospects. I'd really like to see what he can do in the NL.

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I think Oakland would bite on something like Williams, Aardsma, Epatt.

 

Of course they would, because they would be hardcore fleecing us. Forget Aardsma and EPatt, Williams for Zito is a deal you may not want to make.

 

If it's the difference between us making or missing the playoffs, I'd do it, but I wanna see how Zito and Williams do first. Also, we could make the deal where we get to sign Zito first as part of the trade. With the starting pitching market the way it is, we have to keep an eye on Zito.

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