Roster cuts coming?

[SouthSideRyan]

How about Andy Sisco for that bullpen job? Oh, wait.......

 

Dude, its been over a year. When can we give it a rest?

 

dude, Willis was traded 3 years ago and people still won't shut up about it

 

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[Brian]

Tough decisions: With the season opener looming on April 3, the Cubs will soon have to make some tough decisions regarding the final spot or two on the 25-man roster.

 

"It'll probably go down to the end," said Baker.

 

When asked specifically about Marquis Grissom, Angel Pagan, Ryan Theriot and Michael Restovich, the manager said that all are in the mix.

 

Grissom's experience makes him an attractive possibility.

 

"We're going to play him as much as we can without overplaying him," said Baker. "Pagan, Restovich, Theriot ... they all have a chance to make the club. The numbers don't always show it -- how a guy is playing defensively, how he's running and throwing. I'll try to start guys to see what they're like in that situation, and I'll bring guys in late to see how they do on a double switch."

 

Dusty's got to get the most out of ST and practice his double switching.

[Bull]

How about Andy Sisco for that bullpen job? Oh, wait.......

 

Dude, its been over a year. When can we give it a rest?

 

no. never forget.

[CubDad4Ever]

dude, i remember you called it, willis cy young ,when the trade went down. Damn Nostradamus you are good. Coach L

[Bull]

How are all these guy fixed for service time? As in the six years minor league type? Isn't it true that there comes a point where options are irrelevant?

[Monco]

What does Wuertz have to do with Ryu making the team? Surely they aren't considering leaving Wuertz off the 25 man, right?

 

Yes, they are considering demoting Wuertz if he doesn't get it together. Ryu might get his spot but the true beneficiary is Welly (unless he tanks in the final days they will keep him).

 

You would think Wuertz would get the benefit of the doubt based on last year.Ryan Dempster didn't exactly pitch well last spring,or his first few starts,but they kept him.I thought a proven vet is supposed to come to spring training to get in shape for the season.Spring Training stats are misleading.

[Blueheart05]

What does Wuertz have to do with Ryu making the team? Surely they aren't considering leaving Wuertz off the 25 man, right?

 

Yes, they are considering demoting Wuertz if he doesn't get it together. Ryu might get his spot but the true beneficiary is Welly (unless he tanks in the final days they will keep him).

 

You would think Wuertz would get the benefit of the doubt based on last year.Ryan Dempster didn't exactly pitch well last spring,or his first few starts,but they kept him.I thought a proven vet is supposed to come to spring training to get in shape for the season.Spring Training stats are misleading.

 

 

Is Wuertz really a proven vet? Plus, the Cubs couldn't afford to get rid of Dempster last year especially considering he started the year in the rotation.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Roster down to 41:

 

MESA, Ariz. -- The Chicago Cubs today optioned catcher Geovany Soto to Iowa (AAA) and catcher Jose Reyes and infielder Brian Dopirak to West Tenn (AA). In addition, the club returned infielders Casey McGehee and Augie Ojeda to minor league camp.

The Cubs spring training roster now stands at 41 players. The breakdown by position: 23 pitchers, three catchers, six infielders and nine outfielders. Of those 41, six are non-roster invitees.

 

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060323&content_id=1360571&vkey=pr_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[Monco]

What does Wuertz have to do with Ryu making the team? Surely they aren't considering leaving Wuertz off the 25 man, right?

 

Yes, they are considering demoting Wuertz if he doesn't get it together. Ryu might get his spot but the true beneficiary is Welly (unless he tanks in the final days they will keep him).

 

You would think Wuertz would get the benefit of the doubt based on last year.Ryan Dempster didn't exactly pitch well last spring,or his first few starts,but they kept him.I thought a proven vet is supposed to come to spring training to get in shape for the season.Spring Training stats are misleading.

 

Wuertz has pitched 106 games at the ml level.75 last year.I understand they needed Dempster.My point is that they didn't go by his stats.

 

 

Is Wuertz really a proven vet? Plus, the Cubs couldn't afford to get rid of Dempster last year especially considering he started the year in the rotation.

[Derwood]

just out of curiosity, if there are 6 non-roster invitees still in camp, who were the 5 players from the 40-man who have been sent down? In fact, is the 40-man full at this point?

[Brian]

just out of curiosity, if there are 6 non-roster invitees still in camp, who were the 5 players from the 40-man who have been sent down? In fact, is the 40-man full at this point?

 

40-Man roster players sent down

 

Carlos Marmol

Jose Reyes

Geovony Soto

Brian Dopirak

Scott Moore

[CuseCubFan69]

just out of curiosity, if there are 6 non-roster invitees still in camp, who were the 5 players from the 40-man who have been sent down? In fact, is the 40-man full at this point?

 

40-Man roster players sent down

 

Carlos Marmol

Jose Reyes

Geovony Soto

Brian Dopirak

Scott Moore

 

I think his question is if one of the non-roster guys makes the team is the 40 man full or will the Cubs be able to add them them without waiving a player.

[srbin84]

Wuertz has been good for two straight seasons, last year and the second half of 2004. He stays.

[JeffH]

I think his question is if one of the non-roster guys makes the team is the 40 man full or will the Cubs be able to add them them without waiving a player.

 

The 40-man roster is currently full, but unless Wellemeyer defies all odds and reason and makes the team, he will be off due to his out-of-options status.

 

As such, there is effectively room on the 25-man roster for one NRI.

[cubscott34]

Rather than start a new thread, I'll post this here since we are already talking about the 40 man roster. According to Bruce Miles the Cubs have to put Wade Miller on the 40 man by opening day which means that if Dusty wants to keep his star outfielder Marquis Grissom, we would have to cut two from the 40 man roster. Obviously Wellmeyer could be one but who would be the other? Other interesting notes about the possible final roster are that the Cubs appear to be going with 11 pitchers and 14 hitters (finally! no more 12 pitchers) and and that Pagan appears to have the inside track on one of the backup OF slots. Mike Kiley in the Sun-Times seems to concur in these thoughts as well.

[NCCubFan]

If Miller weren't expected to be ready until June, they could get around the issue by placing him on the 60-day DL to start the season (since the 60-day doesn't count against the 40-man roster, whereas the 15-day does). With the situation as it actually stands I see no justification for adding Grissom and having to remove somebody else from the 40-man.

[Danny82]

Rather than start a new thread, I'll post this here since we are already talking about the 40 man roster. According to Bruce Miles the Cubs have to put Wade Miller on the 40 man by opening day which means that if Dusty wants to keep his star outfielder Marquis Grissom, we would have to cut two from the 40 man roster. Obviously Wellmeyer could be one but who would be the other? Other interesting notes about the possible final roster are that the Cubs appear to be going with 11 pitchers and 14 hitters (finally! no more 12 pitchers) and and that Pagan appears to have the inside track on one of the backup OF slots. Mike Kiley in the Sun-Times seems to concur in these thoughts as well.

 

Maybe I am missing something, but doesn't Kiley's article indicate that they are still thinking of carrying 12 pitchers? I hope I am wrong, but that is how I read it.

[cubscott34]

Taken from the Sun-Times article:

 

Six outfielders, six infielders and two catchers should be the composition of the position players. That leaves an 11-man pitching staff, which will be made up of seven relievers and four starters for the first two weeks of the season.

 

Also, in regards to Miller going on the 60 day DL, he appears to only be a week to 2 weeks behind Wood, which means he will be ready by early May at the latest I believe so keeping him out until June seems unlikely.

[NCCubFan]

Maybe I am missing something, but doesn't Kiley's article indicate that they are still thinking of carrying 12 pitchers? I hope I am wrong, but that is how I read it.

Not necessarily. The article does clearly imply 7 relievers, but it also states there would be no need for a fifth starter until April 15. So assuming he's talking about the Opening Day roster, four starters plys seven relievers adds up to an 11-man staff.

[NCCubFan]

Also, in regards to Miller going on the 60 day DL, he appears to only be a week to 2 weeks behind Wood, which means he will be ready by early May at the latest I believe so keeping him out until June seems unlikely.

Agreed, which is why I mentioned the 60-day DL idea as a hypothetical rather than a realistic solution to the issue.

[cubscott34]

I guess the question about the 12 or 11 pitchers will be answered when they need a 5th starter. Will then send down a pitcher or a position player at that time.

[Blueheart05]

If Miller weren't expected to be ready until June, they could get around the issue by placing him on the 60-day DL to start the season (since the 60-day doesn't count against the 40-man roster, whereas the 15-day does). With the situation as it actually stands I see no justification for adding Grissom and having to remove somebody else from the 40-man.

 

IIRC, a sticking point of Miller's signing was that he had to be added to the 25 man roster by Opening Day. Thus, per their agreement, I don't think the Cubs have the option to place him on the DL.

[YearofDaCubs]

If Miller weren't expected to be ready until June, they could get around the issue by placing him on the 60-day DL to start the season (since the 60-day doesn't count against the 40-man roster, whereas the 15-day does). With the situation as it actually stands I see no justification for adding Grissom and having to remove somebody else from the 40-man.

 

IIRC, a sticking point of Miller's signing was that he had to be added to the 25 man roster by Opening Day. Thus, per their agreement, I don't think the Cubs have the option to place him on the DL.

Does anyody have any word on Miller's velocity yet?

[Blueheart05]

If Miller weren't expected to be ready until June, they could get around the issue by placing him on the 60-day DL to start the season (since the 60-day doesn't count against the 40-man roster, whereas the 15-day does). With the situation as it actually stands I see no justification for adding Grissom and having to remove somebody else from the 40-man.

 

IIRC, a sticking point of Miller's signing was that he had to be added to the 25 man roster by Opening Day. Thus, per their agreement, I don't think the Cubs have the option to place him on the DL.

Does anyody have any word on Miller's velocity yet?

 

I don't think there's anything on record. He, like Wood, has been pitching behind the scenes. We should learn more as he progresses in his rehab. I'd be willing to bet that he pitches a game or two in the Minors prior to his first Cubs' start.

[NCCubFan]

IIRC, a sticking point of Miller's signing was that he had to be added to the 25 man roster by Opening Day. Thus, per their agreement, I don't think the Cubs have the option to place him on the DL.

That makes no sense, because it had been known all along that he wouldn't be ready to start the season. There may be a clause requiring him to be added to the 40-man (as opposed to 25-man) roster.