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Bullington had offseason surgery. He's expected back in AAA by Late June/early July. Porbably out of the majors for the year.

 

Van B was a little stiff. He hasn't thrown off the mound yet.

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Kip Wells likely done for the season with a blood clot in his arm. Rough start for the Pirates.

I just came in to see if anyone posted this yet.

 

Fortunately, we have depth? :?

 

We had three guys battling for the #5 spot. Now. they're battling for 4 & 5. Not a good sign. And Sean Burnett seems to be inserting himself into the battle. So, he wins the 4th spot, and Tom Gorrezelany (sp?) comes out of nowhere and wins the fifth spot!! And all left Starting rotation! :-:

 

That would make Jacque Jones completely useless vs. the Pirates. I'd go Perez, Duke, Maholm, Burnett, Snell. But Santos will win one of the spots. Probably looking at a rotation of Perez, Duke, Maholm, Santos, and Snell. I'm guessing Burnett and Gorrezelany start in AAA, mainly because they have plenty of options.

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Kip Wells likely done for the season with a blood clot in his arm. Rough start for the Pirates.

I just came in to see if anyone posted this yet.

 

Fortunately, we have depth? :?

 

We had three guys battling for the #5 spot. Now. they're battling for 4 & 5. Not a good sign. And Sean Burnett seems to be inserting himself into the battle. So, he wins the 4th spot, and Tom Gorrezelany (sp?) comes out of nowhere and wins the fifth spot!! And all left Starting rotation! :-:

 

That would make Jacque Jones completely useless vs. the Pirates. I'd go Perez, Duke, Maholm, Burnett, Snell. But Santos will win one of the spots. Probably looking at a rotation of Perez, Duke, Maholm, Santos, and Snell. I'm guessing Burnett and Gorrezelany start in AAA, mainly because they have plenty of options.

 

I think Burnett will start at AAA cause the team wants to make sure he's healthy. And, I think Gorz has a total of 20 innings above AA. He needs a bit more expiereince against better hitters first. He got rocked in the majors last September. But, both will be here by the end of the July, I think.

 

We actually have some pretty damn good young pitching.

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Kip Wells likely done for the season with a blood clot in his arm. Rough start for the Pirates.

I just came in to see if anyone posted this yet.

 

Fortunately, we have depth? :?

 

We had three guys battling for the #5 spot. Now. they're battling for 4 & 5. Not a good sign. And Sean Burnett seems to be inserting himself into the battle. So, he wins the 4th spot, and Tom Gorrezelany (sp?) comes out of nowhere and wins the fifth spot!! And all left Starting rotation! :-:

 

That would make Jacque Jones completely useless vs. the Pirates. I'd go Perez, Duke, Maholm, Burnett, Snell. But Santos will win one of the spots. Probably looking at a rotation of Perez, Duke, Maholm, Santos, and Snell. I'm guessing Burnett and Gorrezelany start in AAA, mainly because they have plenty of options.

 

I think Burnett will start at AAA cause the team wants to make sure he's healthy. And, I think Gorz has a total of 20 innings above AA. He needs a bit more expiereince against better hitters first. He got rocked in the majors last September. But, both will be here by the end of the July, I think.

 

We actually have some pretty damn good young pitching.

 

If you guys get healthy, you'll have some tradeable commodities to add the offense you need to go with Bay.

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If you guys get healthy, you'll have some tradeable commodities to add the offense you need to go with Bay.

We actually have a bunch of guys who should be ready to do just that. Brad Eldred hit 40 HRs on three levels last year. Jose Bautista is about ready to come up. We have Duffy in center, a legit lead off man. And, Rajai Davis right behind him if he fails. We have three legtimate major league ready catchers.

 

Hopefully, with all of the [expletive] we're throwing against the wall, some of it will stick and next year we should have a competitive team.

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We actually have some pretty damn good young pitching.

 

With all those really high draft picks over the past decade or so, you should have some talent somewhere. :wink:

 

Yeah, unless your us.

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We actually have some pretty damn good young pitching.

 

With all those really high draft picks over the past decade or so, you should have some talent somewhere. :wink:

Look at a potential rotation of Mahalom, Bullington, Burnett, Van B, and Gorselany. All first round draft picks except for Gorz, who was a second after Mahalom.

 

Yeah, it's not a high probability, but if injuries fall the wrong way (Duke & Ollie out at the same time. You guys should be familiar with this possibility!), it is realistic that we could see this in August (depending on Bullington & Van B healing enough by then, too.) or next year.

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If you guys get healthy, you'll have some tradeable commodities to add the offense you need to go with Bay.

We actually have a bunch of guys who should be ready to do just that. Brad Eldred hit 40 HRs on three levels last year. Jose Bautista is about ready to come up. We have Duffy in center, a legit lead off man. And, Rajai Davis right behind him if he fails. We have three legtimate major league ready catchers.

 

Hopefully, with all of the crap we're throwing against the wall, some of it will stick and next year we should have a competitive team.

 

Eldred has holes in his swing IMO. I don't see him being a mainstay. I see him as an Adam Dunn type hitter with less power (not a knock, everyone has less power than Dunn) and without the ability to take a walk very well (that's a knock). Bautista and the catchers are very interesting too. I think Doumit can be a star offensive catcher. Duffy and Davis won't set the world on fire, but between the two they should find a solid leadoff option. I like Sanchez and Castillo too, though Sanchez should be playing more. I'm not a Jack Wilson fan.

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I'm not a Jack Wilson fan.

No one in Chicago is, I see. :P

 

If you guys get healthy, you'll have some tradeable commodities to add the offense you need to go with Bay.

We actually have a bunch of guys who should be ready to do just that. Brad Eldred hit 40 HRs on three levels last year. Jose Bautista is about ready to come up. We have Duffy in center, a legit lead off man. And, Rajai Davis right behind him if he fails. We have three legtimate major league ready catchers.

 

Hopefully, with all of the crap we're throwing against the wall, some of it will stick and next year we should have a competitive team.

 

Eldred has holes in his swing IMO. I don't see him being a mainstay. I see him as an Adam Dunn type hitter with less power (not a knock, everyone has less power than Dunn) and without the ability to take a walk very well (that's a knock). Bautista and the catchers are very interesting too. I think Doumit can be a star offensive catcher. Duffy and Davis won't set the world on fire, but between the two they should find a solid leadoff option. I like Sanchez and Castillo too, though Sanchez should be playing more. I'm not a Jack Wilson fan.

Eldred may in fact have Dunn power. But, he doesn't just have holes in his swing. He has Tunnels. Which is why Sean Casey is here. Everytime Eldred was moved up a level, he struggeled at first. But, then he hit the hell out of the ball once he got settled. Obviously, getting settled in the majors is not the same as getting settled at any level in the minors.

 

I'm a huge Sanchez fan. I didn't see the need to bring in Randa because of Sanchez. With Castillo's inablility to stay healthy, and giving Jack & Randa an occasional day off, I'm guessing Sanchez will get at least 60 starts this season. Plus, if the pitcher is leading off the 7th, 8th or 9th, he'll be taking that at bat more than he not.

 

Bautista - Good Glove, Good Stick, what's not to like. I think we'll see him in late June in the majors for good.

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Is this Kip Wells news old? I'm seeing he is out until the All Star Break after some sort of injury. Is that right?

He was diagnosed with a blood clot last week, and operated on yesterday. Before the operation, they were talking about him possibly missing the season. After the surgery, they're saying two months.

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No, I just can't do it. I won't get my hopes up.

 

Does this get your hopes up at all?

another team with a young nucleus of players is being ignored. The Pittsburgh Pirates may have finished in last place in 2005, but their 2006 starting rotation could feature some of the best young pitchers in all of baseball.

 

One key for the Pirates is how well new manager Jim Tracy handles the young pitching staff. Lloyd McClendon had managed the club to five straight losing seasons, never winning more than 75 games, and he may have grown accustomed to failure. Tracy knows what it’s like to win, and isn’t likely to accept successive poor outings from any of his starters with so many good options available as replacements.

 

Ultimately, Pittsburgh needs more things to go their way than Milwaukee does in order to finish with a winning record. Yet Pittsburgh has a lot more upside right now, given their greater number of Major League ready prospects. If enough of their young pitchers continue their early successes they can contend for the Wild Card slot

Prediction: Pirates 4th

http://cubs.scout.com/2/503956.html

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It's fun to read that. It really is.

 

First of all, there's more talen on this team this year than Lloyd ever got to manage. His frist year was just, well, he was lucky to escape with only 100 losses.

 

The fun thing about this team is that there are odds they can win it this year. They may be 1,000,000 to 1 that they'll win it, but at least it's there. If Duke can pitch a full season like he did in his partial of last year. If Maholm can too. If Ollie returns to his form of 2004. I could go on. Each if realistic. But, they never all come through, do they.

 

More practically, this team has a legitimate shot to win 85 games, I think. But, a lot has to go right.

 

They won't be in the hunt in September. But, if I'm in the hunt in September, I wouldn't want to play them.

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No, I just can't do it. I won't get my hopes up.

 

Does this get your hopes up at all?

another team with a young nucleus of players is being ignored. The Pittsburgh Pirates may have finished in last place in 2005, but their 2006 starting rotation could feature some of the best young pitchers in all of baseball.

 

One key for the Pirates is how well new manager Jim Tracy handles the young pitching staff. Lloyd McClendon had managed the club to five straight losing seasons, never winning more than 75 games, and he may have grown accustomed to failure. Tracy knows what it’s like to win, and isn’t likely to accept successive poor outings from any of his starters with so many good options available as replacements.

 

Ultimately, Pittsburgh needs more things to go their way than Milwaukee does in order to finish with a winning record. Yet Pittsburgh has a lot more upside right now, given their greater number of Major League ready prospects. If enough of their young pitchers continue their early successes they can contend for the Wild Card slot

Prediction: Pirates 4th

http://cubs.scout.com/2/503956.html

 

Which two teams are they putting in 5th and 6th? I'll assume Cincinnati is one of them. Houston or Milwaukee?

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No, I just can't do it. I won't get my hopes up.

 

Does this get your hopes up at all?

another team with a young nucleus of players is being ignored. The Pittsburgh Pirates may have finished in last place in 2005, but their 2006 starting rotation could feature some of the best young pitchers in all of baseball.

 

One key for the Pirates is how well new manager Jim Tracy handles the young pitching staff. Lloyd McClendon had managed the club to five straight losing seasons, never winning more than 75 games, and he may have grown accustomed to failure. Tracy knows what it’s like to win, and isn’t likely to accept successive poor outings from any of his starters with so many good options available as replacements.

 

Ultimately, Pittsburgh needs more things to go their way than Milwaukee does in order to finish with a winning record. Yet Pittsburgh has a lot more upside right now, given their greater number of Major League ready prospects. If enough of their young pitchers continue their early successes they can contend for the Wild Card slot

Prediction: Pirates 4th

http://cubs.scout.com/2/503956.html

 

Which two teams are they putting in 5th and 6th? I'll assume Cincinnati is one of them. Houston or Milwaukee?

 

My assumption is Houston. This article is the second of three, each of which covers 2 NL central teams. The first article puts the Cardinals in first and the Reds in fifth or sixth. The second article puts the Brew crew 3rd and the Pirates 4th. So it's either us or Houston getting put down on the bottom.

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