cubs close to trading corey to the o's

[Bgbird68]

Another Cub "untouchable" minor leaguer. Remember all the reports of teams that contacted the Cubs for Patterson a few years back? Five tool player? Hardly. Another position player "swing and miss" by the Cubs minor leauge system.

 

I pray to God Pie is the real deal.

[CuseCubFan69]

Another Cub "untouchable" minor leaguer. Remember all the reports of teams that contacted the Cubs for Patterson a few years back? Five tool player? Hardly. Another position player "swing and miss" by the Cubs minor leauge system.

 

I pray to God Pie is the real deal.

 

I remember when MacPhail turned down a Patterson for Vlad, Vidro and Wilkerson deal many years ago. :wink:

 

It's a good thing other teams overrate Cub prospects too or they wouldn't have Lee or Ramirez. Imagine how bad the Cubs would be if they didn't make those trades?

[Derwood]

BA's top 10 from a couple days ago...

 

1. Nick Markakis, of

2. Adam Loewen, lhp

3. Hayden Penn, rhp

4. Nolan Reimold, of

5. Chris Ray, rhp

6. Garrett Olson, lhp

7. Brandon Snyder, c

8. J.J. Johnson, rhp

9. Brandon Erbe, rhp

10. Val Majewski, of

 

 

does this end any chance of the cubs getting tejada?

 

No, the Cubs being the Cubs ended any chance of getting Tejada

[CardsFanInChiTown]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060105patterson,1,2697580.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

for a minor leaguer.

Crap. Why not keep him on the bench, spot him into action once in a while to give Murton a break against some right handers, take a chance that he'll perform well and build his value up ahead of the trade deadline?

 

It would be inhuman to keep Corey as a Cub, he was the "fan's" whipping boy last year. IMO this is one of those cases where you can't look at a player like an asset in a portfolio.

[minnesotacubsfan]

damn...I am going to miss CPatt..he was easily one of my favs despite last year. I wish him the best

[CuseCubFan69]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060105patterson,1,2697580.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

for a minor leaguer.

Crap. Why not keep him on the bench, spot him into action once in a while to give Murton a break against some right handers, take a chance that he'll perform well and build his value up ahead of the trade deadline?

 

It would be inhuman to keep Corey as a Cub, he was the "fan's" whipping boy last year. IMO this is one of those cases where you can't look at a player like an asset in a portfolio.

 

That's why I think it's always good to boo and trash a player because it always helps the team and the player.

[Bergy92]

Another Cub "untouchable" minor leaguer. Remember all the reports of teams that contacted the Cubs for Patterson a few years back? Five tool player? Hardly. Another position player "swing and miss" by the Cubs minor leauge system.

 

I pray to God Pie is the real deal.

 

I remember when MacPhail turned down a Patterson for Vlad, Vidro and Wilkerson deal many years ago. :wink:

 

It's a good thing other teams overrate Cub prospects too or they wouldn't have Lee or Ramirez. Imagine how bad the Cubs would be if they didn't make those trades?

 

What? There had to be more to that deal from the Cubs side of things, lots more. I just hope that five years from now we are not trying to trade Pie for a minor leaguer when we could get alot from him now...

[CuseCubFan69]

Another Cub "untouchable" minor leaguer. Remember all the reports of teams that contacted the Cubs for Patterson a few years back? Five tool player? Hardly. Another position player "swing and miss" by the Cubs minor leauge system.

 

I pray to God Pie is the real deal.

 

I remember when MacPhail turned down a Patterson for Vlad, Vidro and Wilkerson deal many years ago. :wink:

 

It's a good thing other teams overrate Cub prospects too or they wouldn't have Lee or Ramirez. Imagine how bad the Cubs would be if they didn't make those trades?

 

What? There had to be more to that deal from the Cubs side of things, lots more. I just hope that five years from now we are not trying to trade Pie for a minor leaguer when we could get alot from him now...

 

I was just kidding Bergy! I am curious on what MacPhail was offered for Patterson though.

[Bergy92]

Another Cub "untouchable" minor leaguer. Remember all the reports of teams that contacted the Cubs for Patterson a few years back? Five tool player? Hardly. Another position player "swing and miss" by the Cubs minor leauge system.

 

I pray to God Pie is the real deal.

 

I remember when MacPhail turned down a Patterson for Vlad, Vidro and Wilkerson deal many years ago. :wink:

 

It's a good thing other teams overrate Cub prospects too or they wouldn't have Lee or Ramirez. Imagine how bad the Cubs would be if they didn't make those trades?

 

What? There had to be more to that deal from the Cubs side of things, lots more. I just hope that five years from now we are not trying to trade Pie for a minor leaguer when we could get alot from him now...

 

I was just kidding Bergy! I am curious on what MacPhail was offered for Patterson though.

 

ok, my heart has now slowed down. Since I do not know what he was offered either, I was curious. Anyone know what we really were offered for him?

 

What was that other thread going on about bad contract moves, I think in the baseball discussions forum. This might end up being one of the bad moves for the Cubs...

[The Voice of Reason]

Corey Patterson = Jerome Walton

[CuseCubFan69]

Corey Patterson = Jerome Walton

 

So he will have another good year in a couple for seasons?

 

I think Patterson is way better than Walton. I think we'll see if it was the Cubs that screwed him up or MLB pitchers have him figured out.

[TheDude]

No, the Cubs being the Cubs ended any chance of getting Tejada

 

That's just silly. You have zero real knowledge of how the correspondance went down. On top of that, all indications from the glimpses of media coverage show us that Baltimore has a higher asking price for Tejada than the market is willing to pay (not just the Cubs, but all other interested parties).

 

Why are people so quick to assume Hendry is to blame for not making deals happen? It takes two to tango they say, so folks need to stop pretending Hendry's dancing with himself.

[CuseCubFan69]

No, the Cubs being the Cubs ended any chance of getting Tejada

 

That's just silly. You have zero real knowledge of how the correspondance went down. On top of that, all indications from the glimpses of media coverage show us that Baltimore has a higher asking price for Tejada than the market is willing to pay (not just the Cubs, but all other interested parties).

 

Why are people so quick to assume Hendry is to blame for not making deals happen? It takes two to tango they say, so folks need to stop pretending Hendry's dancing with himself.

 

I wouldn't blame Hendry if this deal isn't made. I think the O's may be asking way too much for Tejada and I would rather Hendry go in another direction if that is the case.

 

It's too bad that he can't package Walker and Patterson for a decent player, does Pittsburg have a CF and a 2nd baseman?

[Keener98]

No, the Cubs being the Cubs ended any chance of getting Tejada

 

That's just silly. You have zero real knowledge of how the correspondance went down. On top of that, all indications from the glimpses of media coverage show us that Baltimore has a higher asking price for Tejada than the market is willing to pay (not just the Cubs, but all other interested parties).

 

Why are people so quick to assume Hendry is to blame for not making deals happen? It takes two to tango they say, so folks need to stop pretending Hendry's dancing with himself.

 

Why are people so quick to defend Hendry at all times, when he has done jack to improve this team for the 2nd straight year. Folks need to stop pretending like Hendry is "God" because of what happened in 2003, and look at the overall picture, and quite frankly the picture is pretty damn ugly.

[JeffH]

Val Majewski would be an interesting pickup in place of Patterson. I'd be happier though if it were Loewen or Markakis.

 

I presume since the Cubs are only getting a prospect in exchange, they won't be giving Baltimore any money. No one wants to pay Patterson $3MM after his meltdown last year, so if you're not willing to pick up any of the contract, a prospect is all the more you deserve.

 

I like the Tribune's poll, one of the options regarding Corey is "Goodbye and good riddance." Guess which one I voted for?? :wink:

 

Kess, you beat me to it. Majewski for Patterson would make sense.

[goonys evil twin]

Val Majewski would be an interesting pickup in place of Patterson. I'd be happier though if it were Loewen or Markakis.

 

Kess, you beat me to it. Majewski for Patterson would make sense.

 

I don't know anything about him except for his numbers in the minors, where he's totaled a line of .300/.358/.504, with small but efficient base stealing numbers, and respectable k/bb numbers (much better than Pie's, for instance). I would consider him greater than nothing for Patterson.

 

I might feel the urge to call him iceman, considering his first name and the end of his last name.

 

Val Kilmer - Tom Kazanski - Iceman

 

Patterson would have to be Maverick. The golden boy prodigy who works on instincts as opposed to refined skill, who happened to crash and burn.

 

Yeah, it's Friday.

[Bull]

Val Majewski would be an interesting pickup in place of Patterson. I'd be happier though if it were Loewen or Markakis.

 

Kess, you beat me to it. Majewski for Patterson would make sense.

 

I don't know anything about him except for his numbers in the minors, where he's totaled a line of .300/.358/.504, with small but efficient base stealing numbers, and respectable k/bb numbers (much better than Pie's, for instance). I would consider him greater than nothing for Patterson.

I'd go a lot farther than "greater than nothing"

 

From numbers alone, he looks as young, but much more developed (patient) than Pie. In a hypothetical world would you trade Pie for Patterson? Or is it a poor comp. because Pie is a true CFer?

[goonys evil twin]

I'd go a lot farther than "greater than nothing"

 

From numbers alone, he looks as young, but much more developed (patient) than Pie. In a hypothetical world would you trade Pie for Patterson? Or is it a poor comp. because Pie is a true CFer?

 

Thebaseballcube, the Orioles, and ESPN list Val's bday as March 1981, and Pie's as Feb 1985, but they say Val was 20 in 2004. I'd need some clarification. On a strictly numbers basis he does compare favorably to Pie, but what were his true ages in those seasons? And, Pie has nearly 1500 pro at bats, while Val has less than 1000, and apparently didn't play at all in 2005 while recovering from a torn labrum.

 

I'm not sure he's a fair comparison to Pie when all is said and done.

 

And no, I wouldn't trade Pie for Patterson.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'd go a lot farther than "greater than nothing"

 

From numbers alone, he looks as young, but much more developed (patient) than Pie. In a hypothetical world would you trade Pie for Patterson? Or is it a poor comp. because Pie is a true CFer?

 

Thebaseballcube, the Orioles, and ESPN list Val's bday as March 1981, and Pie's as Feb 1985, but they say Val was 20 in 2004. I'd need some clarification. On a strictly numbers basis he does compare favorably to Pie, but what were his true ages in those seasons? And, Pie has nearly 1500 pro at bats, while Val has less than 1000, and apparently didn't play at all in 2005 while recovering from a torn labrum.

 

I'm not sure he's a fair comparison to Pie when all is said and done.

 

And no, I wouldn't trade Pie for Patterson.

 

ESPN.com and the O's website both list that '81 birthday for Majewski.

[ThePenguin11]

Another Cub "untouchable" minor leaguer. Remember all the reports of teams that contacted the Cubs for Patterson a few years back? Five tool player? Hardly. Another position player "swing and miss" by the Cubs minor leauge system.

 

I pray to God Pie is the real deal.

 

I remember when MacPhail turned down a Patterson for Vlad, Vidro and Wilkerson deal many years ago. :wink:

 

It's a good thing other teams overrate Cub prospects too or they wouldn't have Lee or Ramirez. Imagine how bad the Cubs would be if they didn't make those trades?

 

What? There had to be more to that deal from the Cubs side of things, lots more. I just hope that five years from now we are not trying to trade Pie for a minor leaguer when we could get alot from him now...

 

I was just kidding Bergy! I am curious on what MacPhail was offered for Patterson though.

 

I'm pretty sure KC would have given us Johnny Damon for him like four (EDIT: five years) years ago. OOOOOPS!

Edited January 6, 2006 by ThePenguin11

[Tedward]

I'd go a lot farther than "greater than nothing"

 

From numbers alone, he looks as young, but much more developed (patient) than Pie. In a hypothetical world would you trade Pie for Patterson? Or is it a poor comp. because Pie is a true CFer?

 

Thebaseballcube, the Orioles, and ESPN list Val's bday as March 1981, and Pie's as Feb 1985, but they say Val was 20 in 2004. I'd need some clarification. On a strictly numbers basis he does compare favorably to Pie, but what were his true ages in those seasons? And, Pie has nearly 1500 pro at bats, while Val has less than 1000, and apparently didn't play at all in 2005 while recovering from a torn labrum.

 

I'm not sure he's a fair comparison to Pie when all is said and done.

 

And no, I wouldn't trade Pie for Patterson.

 

ESPN.com and the O's website both list that '81 birthday for Majewski.

 

My 9 year old son will be pumped if this deal comes off. He got Val's sig on a ball at the O's ST complex in FT Lauderdale last february. :wink:

 

He went on the DL with a shoulder injury about a week later.

[Bull]

I'd go a lot farther than "greater than nothing"

 

From numbers alone, he looks as young, but much more developed (patient) than Pie. In a hypothetical world would you trade Pie for Patterson? Or is it a poor comp. because Pie is a true CFer?

 

Thebaseballcube, the Orioles, and ESPN list Val's bday as March 1981, and Pie's as Feb 1985, but they say Val was 20 in 2004. I'd need some clarification. On a strictly numbers basis he does compare favorably to Pie, but what were his true ages in those seasons? And, Pie has nearly 1500 pro at bats, while Val has less than 1000, and apparently didn't play at all in 2005 while recovering from a torn labrum.

 

I'm not sure he's a fair comparison to Pie when all is said and done.

 

And no, I wouldn't trade Pie for Patterson.

 

ESPN.com and the O's website both list that '81 birthday for Majewski.

 

Well that would be an entirely different story and likely equal value for C-Pat.

[Bull]

BTW Baseball Reference lists him as 23 in 2004.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think the Cubs will get a B prospect at best for Patterson unless there are 3 teams that really want him then maybe Hendry can get a decent prospect him.

[goonys evil twin]

I think the Cubs will get a B prospect at best for Patterson unless there are 3 teams that really want him then maybe Hendry can get a decent prospect him.

 

I would consider this Val guy as a B prospect, turning 25 this coming season, coming off a season in which he did not play at all because of rehab, with apparantly pretty limited ceiling. Going off his listed birthday, he's never been young for any level he's played at, so while his numbers have been good, they aren't that impressive.