Levine reports on Tejada for Prior rumor 12/22 - 26

[Outshined_One]

Either that, or Cub fans dramatically overvalue their own players...

 

See, I'd think that, but considering most Cardinals fans on this board would be pleased to see the Cubs make this move and most of the rational White Sox fans over on WSI also would like to see the Cubs make this move, I'm inclined to doubt that.

[Laura]

This is the real Prior Watch.

[UK1679666180]

http://www.dcexaminer.com/articles/2005/12/25/columns_sports/jim_williams/001_col_williams.txt

 

Nothing new...

 

Many teams, the Cubs offering up Prior have the most resources.

 

But...

[CuseCubFan69]

http://www.dcexaminer.com/articles/2005/12/25/columns_sports/jim_williams/001_col_williams.txt

 

Nothing new...

 

Many teams, the Cubs offering up Prior have the most resources.

 

But...

 

If Baltimore gets Prior and Zito for Tejada and Bedard they would have done quite nicely for themselves. I don't see how this benefits the Cubs in this case.

[UK1679666180]

If it was a straight Bedard for Zito trade, on paper it favors Balt., but Oakland would get the better deal as Zito would not do as well in Balt. and Bedard would do better in Oakland.

 

Of course, Bedard is much cheaper and isn't close to FA unlike Zito.

[Fro]

http://www.dcexaminer.com/articles/2005/12/25/columns_sports/jim_williams/001_col_williams.txt

 

Nothing new...

 

Many teams, the Cubs offering up Prior have the most resources.

 

But...

 

If Baltimore gets Prior and Zito for Tejada and Bedard they would have done quite nicely for themselves. I don't see how this benefits the Cubs in this case.

 

That'd be a ridiclous trade for the Cubs to do, IMHO, considering they'd get no pitching back to replace Prior and would have to give some people to the As with Bedard to get Zito.

[USSoccer]

The more time passer the bigger the chance that IMO nothing will happen, especially if Millwood and Weaver sign somewhere before a trade happens. I don't think that Hendry trades Prior without having one of the FA pitchers available.

 

I'm hoping the holiday gave Hendry time to actually think about this.

[Jazz]

I really think we can avoid trading prior, and still acquire Tejada, but a hit to the SP depth would definately be eminent.

 

Cubs get: Tejada

A's get: Bedard, Hill, and Guzman

Orioles get: Zito, Cedeno, Sing, and Ohman

 

cubs give up Hill, Guzman, Cedeno, Sing, and Ohman for Tejada

 

-Ohman is a minor hit since we have Eyre

-Cedeno, while he would have been nice to keep, is replaced by Tejada whos still few years away from FA

-Sing is destined to be a DH

-Hill is at the peak of his value IMO, and wont do much in the ML

-Guzman is the best pitcher in our system when hes healthy, but id give him up seeing as could very well bust as much as he could hit it big

[anemic offense]

I really think we can avoid trading prior, and still acquire Tejada, but a hit to the SP depth would definately be eminent.

 

Cubs get: Tejada

A's get: Bedard, Hill, and Guzman

Orioles get: Zito, Cedeno, Sing, and Ohman

 

cubs give up Hill, Guzman, Cedeno, Sing, and Ohman for Tejada

 

-Ohman is a minor hit since we have Eyre

-Cedeno, while he would have been nice to keep, is replaced by Tejada whos still few years away from FA

-Sing is destined to be a DH

-Hill is at the peak of his value IMO, and wont do much in the ML

-Guzman is the best pitcher in our system when hes healthy, but id give him up seeing as could very well bust as much as he could hit it big

 

If we are going to give up that much talent (while at the same time taking on Miggy's payroll) I'd rather keep Cedeno and trade for a RF or a good young second baseman. Although there are ZERO facts to back this up I still don't think Miggy will be that much of an upgrade over Cedeno to constitute the extra 11.7 million dollars we'd be investing in the position. At some point we are going to HAVE to play some of our young players and Cedeno is the BEST of the bunch. There's a reason EVERYBODY brings his name up in trades and its NOT because they think the Cubs want to get rid of him.

[MikeyLikesCubbies]

Thinking about this trade is making me ill. I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. I just wish we would get a report that Hendry has come to his senses and told the Orioles to pound sand.

[fibro]

Heard Levine this morning say he thought there was a 50 50 chance still that Miggy would end up a Cub.

 

He also talked about Guzman pitching well in the fall league and thought he would compete for a starters spot this spring.

[Soul]

I think if it was going to happen it would have happened.

 

Count this one dead unless significantly modified. This is the kind of deal that has less & less of a chance of becoming a reality the longer it sits on the table. Why? Very risky for the Cubs, who are just as desperate to keep or acquire starting pitching as they are hitting. The longer a big risk like this sits around, the larger doubts will loom in the mind of Hendry.

 

I say deal dead, unless it comes through in a significantly modified form.

[Jon]

Heard Levine this morning say he thought there was a 50 50 chance still that Miggy would end up a Cub.

 

He also talked about Guzman pitching well in the fall league and thought he would compete for a starters spot this spring.

Not really, Levine. He walked 12 in 30 IP, gave up a lot of hard hit balls, and couldn't control his pitch count. And all reports suggested that he wasn't going at 100% (was hesitant to really let it go on his breaking pitches, I believe).

 

And Rusch, Williams, and Hill are all ahead of him.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Either that, or Cub fans dramatically overvalue their own players...

 

See, I'd think that, but considering most Cardinals fans on this board would be pleased to see the Cubs make this move and most of the rational White Sox fans over on WSI also would like to see the Cubs make this move, I'm inclined to doubt that.

 

 

 

Although I wouldn't do the deal, by no means is it a ripoff. A few thoughts:

 

1) I think most NSBB members overlook is Prior's injury history too much. The fact is he hasn't *proven* to be durable. After coming back from his freaky elbow injury he didn't look right.

 

2) I *think* Bedard is underrated on NSBB. Pre-All Star (pre-injury) stat line was:

 

Inn - 60.2

ERA - 2.08

SO - 52

Walks - 14

 

Impressive to say the least. His injury last year was not on his throwing arm - a strained ligament in his left knee. Oh and he's cheap.

 

3) Rich Hill will be 26 in 06 and hasn't proved anything at the MLB level. He's an interesting prospect but not elite.

 

 

Given the Cubs roster I would rather have Prior however it's not a ripoff.

[UK1679666180]

1) I think most NSBB members overlook is Prior's injury history too much. The fact is he hasn't *proven* to be durable. After coming back from his freaky elbow injury he didn't look right.

 

2) I *think* Bedard is underrated on NSBB. Pre-All Star (pre-injury) stat line was:

 

Inn - 60.2

ERA - 2.08

SO - 52

Walks - 14

 

Impressive to say the least. His injury last year was not on his throwing arm - a strained ligament in his left knee. Oh and he's cheap.

 

His injury last year was not related to his arm, but a knee is not be overlooked either, considering that's the base of a pitcher.

 

Of course, Bedard has had TJS and has inconsistent mechanics along the way.

 

Both teams are better off remaining in their current state.

[JWCUB]

I would still rather they explore a trade with the Bo Sox for Manny. I would take Manny over Tejada any day. But I think I'm in the minority on this board. :cry:

[Roast]

I would still rather they explore a trade with the Bo Sox for Manny. I would take Manny over Tejada any day. But I think I'm in the minority on this board. :cry:

 

Tejada is cheaper, Youner, and plays a position far harder to find talent at. That being said, I wouldnt give prior away for either of them.

[XZero771679666304]

I would still rather they explore a trade with the Bo Sox for Manny. I would take Manny over Tejada any day. But I think I'm in the minority on this board. :cry:

 

Manny just isn't realistic at this point for a lot of reasons, not the least of which being that there isn't nearly enough payroll left to assimiliate that contract.

 

I think a lot of people would rather have Manny, but it's a pipe dream at best.

[Outshined_One]

I would still rather they explore a trade with the Bo Sox for Manny. I would take Manny over Tejada any day. But I think I'm in the minority on this board. :cry:

 

I'm with you on this one.

[JWCUB]

I would still rather they explore a trade with the Bo Sox for Manny. I would take Manny over Tejada any day. But I think I'm in the minority on this board. :cry:

 

Tejada is cheaper, Youner, and plays a position far harder to find talent at. That being said, I wouldnt give prior away for either of them.

I understand where you're coming from Roast, but if we could keep Cedeno, I think he will be not a Super-Star SS, but a very good one. All he has to do is get on base. He seems pretty good with the glove too, IMO. If I had a vote, I would keep Mark, but I dont. Just trying to throw out some ideas, besides I just think Manny would mash balls at Wrigley. The guy is what 32 or 33? With 3 years left on his contract? I really dont think you could go wrong. The only think Tejada brings to the table that Manny does not, is a good leader clubhouse mentality. Which can be huge. But man can Manny produce.

[JWCUB]

I would still rather they explore a trade with the Bo Sox for Manny. I would take Manny over Tejada any day. But I think I'm in the minority on this board. :cry:

 

Manny just isn't realistic at this point for a lot of reasons, not the least of which being that there isn't nearly enough payroll left to assimiliate that contract.

 

I think a lot of people would rather have Manny, but it's a pipe dream at best.

 

It might be, but for Manny, I think they might expand the payroll a little. Hendry basically had a blank check for Furcal according to Levine. And Mad Dog will come off the books after this season.

[XZero771679666304]

I would still rather they explore a trade with the Bo Sox for Manny. I would take Manny over Tejada any day. But I think I'm in the minority on this board. :cry:

 

Manny just isn't realistic at this point for a lot of reasons, not the least of which being that there isn't nearly enough payroll left to assimiliate that contract.

 

I think a lot of people would rather have Manny, but it's a pipe dream at best.

 

It might be, but for Manny, I think they might expand the payroll a little. Hendry basically had a blank check for Furcal according to Levine. And Mad Dog will come off the books after this season.

 

A little? It would have to be at least 10 million, IIRC. Plus I think he could demand a trade after next season, and probably would. And then there's the fact that Boston would want a big bat in return, which we can't give them (if you trade ARam or Lee, acquiring Manny doesn't really make us any better). And there's also the fact that Hendry wants guys who can catch the the ball, and Manny is a butcher.

 

All in all, I think the Cubs trading for Manny is about as unlikely a move as you are going to see, IMO.

[JWCUB]

I would still rather they explore a trade with the Bo Sox for Manny. I would take Manny over Tejada any day. But I think I'm in the minority on this board. :cry:

 

Manny just isn't realistic at this point for a lot of reasons, not the least of which being that there isn't nearly enough payroll left to assimiliate that contract.

 

I think a lot of people would rather have Manny, but it's a pipe dream at best.

 

It might be, but for Manny, I think they might expand the payroll a little. Hendry basically had a blank check for Furcal according to Levine. And Mad Dog will come off the books after this season.

 

A little? It would have to be at least 10 million, IIRC. Plus I think he could demand a trade after next season, and probably would. And then there's the fact that Boston would want a big bat in return, which we can't give them (if you trade ARam or Lee, acquiring Manny doesn't really make us any better). And there's also the fact that Hendry wants guys who can catch the the ball, and Manny is a butcher.

 

All in all, I think the Cubs trading for Manny is about as unlikely a move as you are going to see, IMO.

 

I can dream cant I? :lol: Every time I think about a Lee, Ramirez, Ramirez middle of the order I get chills. =P~

[XZero771679666304]

I would still rather they explore a trade with the Bo Sox for Manny. I would take Manny over Tejada any day. But I think I'm in the minority on this board. :cry:

 

Manny just isn't realistic at this point for a lot of reasons, not the least of which being that there isn't nearly enough payroll left to assimiliate that contract.

 

I think a lot of people would rather have Manny, but it's a pipe dream at best.

 

It might be, but for Manny, I think they might expand the payroll a little. Hendry basically had a blank check for Furcal according to Levine. And Mad Dog will come off the books after this season.

 

A little? It would have to be at least 10 million, IIRC. Plus I think he could demand a trade after next season, and probably would. And then there's the fact that Boston would want a big bat in return, which we can't give them (if you trade ARam or Lee, acquiring Manny doesn't really make us any better). And there's also the fact that Hendry wants guys who can catch the the ball, and Manny is a butcher.

 

All in all, I think the Cubs trading for Manny is about as unlikely a move as you are going to see, IMO.

 

I can dream cant I? :lol: Every time I think about a Lee, Ramirez, Ramirez middle of the order I get chills. =P~

 

Sure, but if we're talking about a dream scenario, you could do better than Manny.

[JWCUB]

I would still rather they explore a trade with the Bo Sox for Manny. I would take Manny over Tejada any day. But I think I'm in the minority on this board. :cry:

 

Manny just isn't realistic at this point for a lot of reasons, not the least of which being that there isn't nearly enough payroll left to assimiliate that contract.

 

I think a lot of people would rather have Manny, but it's a pipe dream at best.

 

It might be, but for Manny, I think they might expand the payroll a little. Hendry basically had a blank check for Furcal according to Levine. And Mad Dog will come off the books after this season.

 

A little? It would have to be at least 10 million, IIRC. Plus I think he could demand a trade after next season, and probably would. And then there's the fact that Boston would want a big bat in return, which we can't give them (if you trade ARam or Lee, acquiring Manny doesn't really make us any better). And there's also the fact that Hendry wants guys who can catch the the ball, and Manny is a butcher.

 

All in all, I think the Cubs trading for Manny is about as unlikely a move as you are going to see, IMO.

 

I can dream cant I? :lol: Every time I think about a Lee, Ramirez, Ramirez middle of the order I get chills. =P~

 

Sure, but if we're talking about a dream scenario, you could do better than Manny.

 

Cabrera wont be traded, Pujols wont be traded, ARod wont be traded, Vlad wont be traded, Manny is the only one in that group that could be traded, or at least is requesting one. I get your point though. I'm just sayin that its the only PLAUSABLE dream. With Manny being "shopped" and all. Did I leave anyone else off your list?