What about Geoff Jenkins?

[8-8-88]

He is looking more and more appealing by the day. I don't really like him too much, but if you give the Brewers the right offer, it would be hard for them to not move Jenks $7 mill contract.

[Magnetic Curses]

He is looking more and more appealing by the day. I don't really like him too much, but if you give the Brewers the right offer, it would be hard for them to not move Jenks $7 mill contract.

 

jenkins is a very good option. but would they trade within the division?

[8-8-88]

He is looking more and more appealing by the day. I don't really like him too much, but if you give the Brewers the right offer, it would be hard for them to not move Jenks $7 mill contract.

 

jenkins is a very good option. but would they trade within the division?

 

I think they would if the offer is right. I think they would want to get another starter or some middle relief. Possibly Patterson?

[WindyCity]

Funny to see this today -- I was just trying to think who could be the target of 1 of the 2 open trade offers that Hendry supposedly has out.... and the name that seemed to make the most sense to me was Jenkins. I wonder what it would take to get him?

[Nobody youd want to know]

Jenkins will turn 32 next July--but if he can come anywhere near his career averages of 281/349/508, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

 

How's his fielding?

 

And would Milwaukee do Jenkins for Williams straight up?

[erik316wttn]

Jenkins always seems to have at least one extended DL stay per year.

[8-8-88]

He's an above average RF and has a cannon for an arm. He made the switch to RF when Lee came aboard.

[abuck1220]

the brewers are just as good, if not better, than the cubs...i doubt they're going to start dumping their players. with a full season of weeks, a full season of turnbow as closer and a healthy sheets, they have a good shot at 90 wins. they should look into signing weaver.

[USSoccer]

Jenkins always seems to have at least one extended DL stay per year.

 

What you said.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Jenkins always seems to have at least one extended DL stay per year.

 

What you said.

 

Last 3 years: 125, 157, 148 games

[USSoccer]

Jenkins always seems to have at least one extended DL stay per year.

 

What you said.

 

Last 3 years: 125, 157, 148 games

 

I don't think you can give up little enough to make it a net gain. Anything you give the Brewers is dangerous, because they're probably where we were going into 2003.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

the brewers are just as good, if not better, than the cubs...i doubt they're going to start dumping their players. with a full season of weeks, a full season of turnbow as closer and a healthy sheets, they have a good shot at 90 wins. they should look into signing weaver.

 

Exactly. If anything, it's the Cubs that should be sellers, not the Brewers. They finished ahead of us last year, and this year, I think the Wisconsin Diaspora ends--I'm predicting Milwaukee for the playoffs. Only question is whether their pitching will be deep enough. Lineup looks terrific, with Lee, Clark, Jenkins, Fielder, Weeks, Hardy, Hall and Miller. That lineup is much better balanced than the Cubs.

 

If they could just bring in one more quality starter, watch the heck out.

[ChiCubsFan]

the brewers are just as good, if not better, than the cubs...i doubt they're going to start dumping their players. with a full season of weeks, a full season of turnbow as closer and a healthy sheets, they have a good shot at 90 wins. they should look into signing weaver.

 

Exactly. If anything, it's the Cubs that should be sellers, not the Brewers. They finished ahead of us last year, and this year, I think the Wisconsin Diaspora ends--I'm predicting Milwaukee for the playoffs. Only question is whether their pitching will be deep enough. Lineup looks terrific, with Lee, Clark, Jenkins, Fielder, Weeks, Hardy, Hall and Miller. That lineup is much better balanced than the Cubs.

 

If they could just bring in one more quality starter, watch the heck out.

 

C.Lee>Murton

Clark~Pierre

Jenkins>whoever plays RF

Fielder<

Weeks~Walker

Hardy~Cedeno

Hall<

Miller

 

I fail to see how much greater and balanced that lineup is. I'd say they are about both equal. Long term it may be better, but for the 2006 season their offense is, at best, equal to ours.

 

As for their pitching:

 

Sheets

Davis

Capuano~Maddux

Ohka~Williams

Bush

 

The bullpens look about too. I just don't see how great this Brewers team is and how horrible the Cubs are. They look about equal at best. Of course having Dusty alone loses us a few games, but I don't see much separation between the two teams talent.

[8-8-88]

the brewers are just as good, if not better, than the cubs...i doubt they're going to start dumping their players. with a full season of weeks, a full season of turnbow as closer and a healthy sheets, they have a good shot at 90 wins. they should look into signing weaver.

 

Exactly. If anything, it's the Cubs that should be sellers, not the Brewers. They finished ahead of us last year, and this year, I think the Wisconsin Diaspora ends--I'm predicting Milwaukee for the playoffs. Only question is whether their pitching will be deep enough. Lineup looks terrific, with Lee, Clark, Jenkins, Fielder, Weeks, Hardy, Hall and Miller. That lineup is much better balanced than the Cubs.

 

If they could just bring in one more quality starter, watch the heck out.

 

C.Lee>Murton

Clark~Pierre

Jenkins>whoever plays RF

Fielder<

Weeks~Walker

Hardy~Cedeno

Hall<

Miller

 

I fail to see how much greater and balanced that lineup is. I'd say they are about both equal. Long term it may be better, but for the 2006 season their offense is, at best, equal to ours.

 

As for their pitching:

 

Sheets

Davis

Capuano~Maddux

Ohka~Williams

Bush

 

The bullpens look about too. I just don't see how great this Brewers team is and how horrible the Cubs are. They look about equal at best. Of course having Dusty alone loses us a few games, but I don't see much separation between the two teams talent.

 

Healthy Sheets > Zambrano

Davis < Healthy Prior

Capuano > Maddux

Ohka ~ Williams

Bush ~ Rusch/Wood

 

I have to give the edge to Milwaukee. I also like Turnbow more than Dempster. Maddux is one hell of a pitching coach for Milwaukee.

[8-8-88]

One of the main reasons I brought up Jenkins is because Lee is a Free Agent after this year. I imagine that the Brewers would like to dump some payroll and possibly add another OF to the mix in case Lee bolts. I really don't see the Brewers trading Jenkins either, but why not inquire about his availability? No matter what, Milwaukee is still a small market team.

[ChiCubsFan]

the brewers are just as good, if not better, than the cubs...i doubt they're going to start dumping their players. with a full season of weeks, a full season of turnbow as closer and a healthy sheets, they have a good shot at 90 wins. they should look into signing weaver.

 

Exactly. If anything, it's the Cubs that should be sellers, not the Brewers. They finished ahead of us last year, and this year, I think the Wisconsin Diaspora ends--I'm predicting Milwaukee for the playoffs. Only question is whether their pitching will be deep enough. Lineup looks terrific, with Lee, Clark, Jenkins, Fielder, Weeks, Hardy, Hall and Miller. That lineup is much better balanced than the Cubs.

 

If they could just bring in one more quality starter, watch the heck out.

 

C.Lee>Murton

Clark~Pierre

Jenkins>whoever plays RF

Fielder<

Weeks~Walker

Hardy~Cedeno

Hall<

Miller

 

I fail to see how much greater and balanced that lineup is. I'd say they are about both equal. Long term it may be better, but for the 2006 season their offense is, at best, equal to ours.

 

As for their pitching:

 

Sheets

Davis

Capuano~Maddux

Ohka~Williams

Bush

 

The bullpens look about too. I just don't see how great this Brewers team is and how horrible the Cubs are. They look about equal at best. Of course having Dusty alone loses us a few games, but I don't see much separation between the two teams talent.

 

Healthy Sheets > Zambrano

Davis < Healthy Prior

Capuano > Maddux

Ohka ~ Williams

Bush ~ Rusch/Wood

 

I have to give the edge to Milwaukee. I also like Turnbow more than Dempster. Maddux is one hell of a pitching coach for Milwaukee.

 

You really think Sheets is better than Zambrano? Zambrano has better numbers over his career and has proven to be a horse. Sheets has not, and thats why I gave the advantage to Zambrano. Capuano's ERA was pretty bad in 2003 and 2004 and last year he posted a 3.99 ERA with a 1.38 WHIP and Maddux's was 4.24 ERA with a 1.22 WHIP. If Capuano is better it isn't by all that much. Bush was alright last year (4.49 ERA) but I'd say a combination of a healthy Wood and Rusch when Wood is hurt will outproduce Dave Bush.

 

I admit I haven't seen much of Turnbow and he did put up solid numbers last year, but so did Dempster in the closer role. They both have a lot to prove in my eyes and thats why I said they are about the same.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

You really think Sheets is better than Zambrano? Zambrano has better numbers over his career and has proven to be a horse. Sheets has not, and thats why I gave the advantage to Zambrano. Capuano's ERA was pretty bad in 2003 and 2004 and last year he posted a 3.99 ERA with a 1.38 WHIP and Maddux's was 4.24 ERA with a 1.22 WHIP. If Capuano is better it isn't by all that much. Bush was alright last year (4.49 ERA) but I'd say a combination of a healthy Wood and Rusch when Wood is hurt will outproduce Dave Bush.

 

I admit I haven't seen much of Turnbow and he did put up solid numbers last year, but so did Dempster in the closer role. They both have a lot to prove in my eyes and thats why I said they are about the same.

 

Ahh, the Brewers - everyone's sexy sleeper pick!

 

Although Zambrano is more durable Sheets has been the better pitcher the last two years with WHIP of 0.98 and 1.07 compared to Z's 1.22 and 1.15. I'm not knocking Z - he's awesome but Sheets has been better IMO.

 

I would say Capuano > Maddux mostly because of age. That's a really close one though.

 

That said, I think people overrate Brewers, they look a year away to me. If the Cubs can get a servicable RF bat I would expect them to be a better team.

[XZero771679666304]

You really think Sheets is better than Zambrano? Zambrano has better numbers over his career and has proven to be a horse. Sheets has not, and thats why I gave the advantage to Zambrano. Capuano's ERA was pretty bad in 2003 and 2004 and last year he posted a 3.99 ERA with a 1.38 WHIP and Maddux's was 4.24 ERA with a 1.22 WHIP. If Capuano is better it isn't by all that much. Bush was alright last year (4.49 ERA) but I'd say a combination of a healthy Wood and Rusch when Wood is hurt will outproduce Dave Bush.

 

I admit I haven't seen much of Turnbow and he did put up solid numbers last year, but so did Dempster in the closer role. They both have a lot to prove in my eyes and thats why I said they are about the same.

 

Ahh, the Brewers - everyone's sexy sleeper pick!

 

Although Zambrano is more durable Sheets has been the better pitcher the last two years with WHIP of 0.98 and 1.07 compared to Z's 1.22 and 1.15. I'm not knocking Z - he's awesome but Sheets has been better IMO.

 

I would say Capuano > Maddux mostly because of age. That's a really close one though.

 

That said, I think people overrate Brewers, they look a year away to me. If the Cubs can get a servicable RF bat I would expect them to be a better team.

 

If you could add either Z or Sheets to the Cards right now, who would you pick?

[SouthSideRyan]

I agree that the Brewers are starting to get really overrated. I think they win about 77 games next year. '07's their year to contend.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

You really think Sheets is better than Zambrano? Zambrano has better numbers over his career and has proven to be a horse. Sheets has not, and thats why I gave the advantage to Zambrano. Capuano's ERA was pretty bad in 2003 and 2004 and last year he posted a 3.99 ERA with a 1.38 WHIP and Maddux's was 4.24 ERA with a 1.22 WHIP. If Capuano is better it isn't by all that much. Bush was alright last year (4.49 ERA) but I'd say a combination of a healthy Wood and Rusch when Wood is hurt will outproduce Dave Bush.

 

I admit I haven't seen much of Turnbow and he did put up solid numbers last year, but so did Dempster in the closer role. They both have a lot to prove in my eyes and thats why I said they are about the same.

 

Ahh, the Brewers - everyone's sexy sleeper pick!

 

Although Zambrano is more durable Sheets has been the better pitcher the last two years with WHIP of 0.98 and 1.07 compared to Z's 1.22 and 1.15. I'm not knocking Z - he's awesome but Sheets has been better IMO.

 

I would say Capuano > Maddux mostly because of age. That's a really close one though.

 

That said, I think people overrate Brewers, they look a year away to me. If the Cubs can get a servicable RF bat I would expect them to be a better team.

 

If you could add either Z or Sheets to the Cards right now, who would you pick?

 

Great question, from a pure baseball standpoint Z because of age and durability. However with money concerns Sheets would because tempting because he seems willing to take sign friendly contracts while Z has Boras and WILL test the FA market. Z is going to get freaky money.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Jenkins=Burnitz

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Jenkins=Burnitz

 

Jenkins 05: 292/375/513

Burnitz 05: 258/322/435

 

Plus Jenkins is 5 years younger.

 

I really doubt the brewers trade him unless they are blown away prospect wise or it's a midseason salary dump.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Jenkins=Burnitz

 

Jenkins 05: 292/375/513

Burnitz 05: 258/322/435

 

Plus Jenkins is 5 years younger.

 

I really doubt the brewers trade him unless they are blown away prospect wise or it's a midseason salary dump.

 

Burnitz 04: 283/356/559. career- 255/348/485

Jenkins 04: 264/325/473. career- 281/349/508

 

BURNITZ=JENKINS

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Jenkins=Burnitz

 

Jenkins 05: 292/375/513

Burnitz 05: 258/322/435

 

Plus Jenkins is 5 years younger.

 

I really doubt the brewers trade him unless they are blown away prospect wise or it's a midseason salary dump.

 

Burnitz 04: 283/356/559. career- 255/348/485

Jenkins 04: 264/325/473. career- 281/349/508

 

BURNITZ=JENKINS

 

Burnitz is old, I really doubt he'll ever see 255/348/485 again.

[UK1679666180]

Burnitz should give thanks to Coors for his '04 season.

 

But, over the last 3 years Burnitz has avg'd an OPS+ of 105 and Jenkins has avg'd an OPS+ of 126.

 

With EqA...

 

Jenkins over the last 3 years-.291

Burnitz over the last 3 years-.267

 

That's a huge difference.