2005 Rule V Recap

[T2E]

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Cubs gain:

 

Triple-A phase:

Carlos Jan

 

Jan was a combined 6-4 with a 4.03 ERA for two of Baltimore's Minor League teams. He was 1-2 with a 4.37 ERA in 28 games for Delmarva, striking out 55 over 47 1/3 innings. He was promoted to Frederick in June, and went 5-2 with a 3.78 ERA, fanning 61 over 66 2/3 innings and walking 45.

 

"He's a left-handed pitcher with arm strength," Cubs player development director Oneri Fleita said. "We thought he was very similar to some of the guys that we took. Every year we try to take a couple left-handed pitchers. You can never have enough of those."

Geivy Garcia

 

In the second round of the Triple-A phase, the Cubs chose right-handed pitcher Geivy Garcia from San Diego's system. Garcia was 2-2 with a 5.01 ERA in 41 games for Fort Wayne, giving up 31 earned runs over 55 2/3 innings and striking out 44.

 

"He's another right-hander who has arm strength," Fleita said.

 

Double-A phase:

Aaron Rifkin- traded

 

In the third round, the Cubs selected first baseman Aaron Rifkin from Seattle's system but he was then traded to the Colorado Rockies for a player to be named later. Fleita said that player would be chosen during Spring Training.

 

Cubs lose:

 

Major League phase:

Juan Mateo to the Cardinals

 

Mateo was 10-5 with a 3.21 ERA in 32 games (16 starts) for Class A Daytona, striking out 123 over 109 1/3 innings.

Comment: I doubt Mateo will be able to stick on the Cards 40 man the entire season, he'll likely be returned by the end of Spring Training.

 

Triple-A phase:

Yorkin Ferreras

 

Ferreras was 3-5 with a 5.21 ERA in 14 games (13 starts) at Class A Daytona. The left-hander was the second player taken in the first round of the Minor League phase of the draft, and selected by Tampa Bay.

Victor Ramos

 

Ramos was the 19th pick and selected by Boston in the first round of the Minor League phase. Ramos pitched at three levels for the Cubs in 2005, starting at Class A Boise, and moving up to Class A Peoria in July before switching to Double-A West Tenn later in that month.

 

At West Tenn, he was 2-3 with a 3.24 ERA in 19 games, giving up nine earned runs over 25 innings and striking out 18. He was a combined 3-5 in 29 games, giving up 14 earned runs over 39 innings. He struck out 34 total.

Andy Santana

 

Santana was 4-1 with a 2.47 ERA in 19 games, including one start, for Boise. He gave up 12 earned runs in 43 2/3 innings while striking out 45. He was the 27th player taken in the Triple-A phase of the draft, and selected by San Diego.

 

Double-A phase:

Aaron Sisk

 

Sisk was chosen by San Francisco in the Double-A phase of the draft, and was the fourth pick. He batted .316 in 39 games at Peoria and .241 in 48 games at West Tenn, and combined to hit 13 home runs and drive in 48 runs for the season.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

thanks. also, it's Rule 5, not Rule V. :)

[CoolHandLuke]

Cubs lose:

 

Major League phase:

Juan Mateo to the Cardinals

 

Mateo was 10-5 with a 3.21 ERA in 32 games (16 starts) for Class A Daytona, striking out 123 over 109 1/3 innings.

Comment: I doubt Mateo will be able to stick on the Cards 40 man the entire season, he'll likely be returned by the end of Spring Training.

 

 

wouldnt he have to stay on the 25 man roster to remain with the cards?

[SouthSideRyan]

Cubs lose:

 

Major League phase:

Juan Mateo to the Cardinals

 

Mateo was 10-5 with a 3.21 ERA in 32 games (16 starts) for Class A Daytona, striking out 123 over 109 1/3 innings.

Comment: I doubt Mateo will be able to stick on the Cards 40 man the entire season, he'll likely be returned by the end of Spring Training.

 

 

wouldnt he have to stay on the 25 man roster to remain with the cards?

 

Correct.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Can someone explain to me how the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft works? I do understand the major league phase.

[Diffusion]

thanks. also, it's Rule 5, not Rule V. :)

 

Roman Numerals Lesson.

 

I = 1

II = 2

III = 3

IV = 4

V = 5

VI = 6

VII = 7

VIII = 8

IX = 9

X = 10

 

:P

[wilk]

But the Roman Numerals are beside the point. It's really truly "Rule 5" no matter how many people really want it to be "Rule V."

 

As for players taken in the minor league phase - it's essentially like being passed through irrevocable waivers. The cost is significantly lower too - $12,000 off the AA roster (AAA phase) and $4,000 for a player off the A roster (AA phase). They don't have to remain on any specific roster throughout the season so they're simply gone. However, these are nearly always just organizational players because you're already protecting so many guys on the 40-man roster and AAA Reserve list.

[T2E]

Cubs lose:

 

Major League phase:

Juan Mateo to the Cardinals

 

Mateo was 10-5 with a 3.21 ERA in 32 games (16 starts) for Class A Daytona, striking out 123 over 109 1/3 innings.

Comment: I doubt Mateo will be able to stick on the Cards 40 man the entire season, he'll likely be returned by the end of Spring Training.

 

 

wouldnt he have to stay on the 25 man roster to remain with the cards?

 

You're right my mistake.

 

I also offer my most sincere apologies for disgracing this board by referring to it as the Rule V instead of Rule 5; I will make sure never to make such a terrible mistake again.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I had grown to really like Mateo last year - it's a good thing that he'll probably be returned.

[Jehrico]

Does anyone else think the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft is stupid? If an organization drafts a guy out of high school, and three years later he's in high A, maybe AA, they shouldn't have to worry about putting him on the 40 man roster or risk losing him. They spent the time and resources developing him. It just seems to me that this is an extremely stupid concept, and it penalizes teams that research, scout, and draft better than those that don't.

[stitchface]

all the more reason to draft college players. I agree with you though. its even worse if you sign a 16 year old.

[SouthSideRyan]

Does anyone else think the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft is stupid? If an organization drafts a guy out of high school, and three years later he's in high A, maybe AA, they shouldn't have to worry about putting him on the 40 man roster or risk losing him. They spent the time and resources developing him. It just seems to me that this is an extremely stupid concept, and it penalizes teams that research, scout, and draft better than those that don't.

 

They don't have to put him on the 40 man roster or risk losing him, unless he's ready to stick on a 25 man roster. All they have to do is put him on the AAA roster which I believe is something like 38 guys, though I may be wrong. It's unlikely that a team is going to have that many high school draftees lying aroudn in addition to their real prospects to cause any real hits to a team's farm system. That is unless their GM is incompetent (See Pirates in '04.)

 

EDIT: If a guy is signed before the age of 19, he has 4 years before he is eligible.

 

Double EDIT: seeing people make a big deal out of people writing Rule V instead of Rule 5 is far more annoying to me than anyone could possibly be annoyed by peopel writing it as Rule V. Rule V can easily be pronounced as rule 5. In documents when things are outlined, they're often listed in Roman numerals, I see no problem with it being written as Rule V.

[NCCubFan]

I also offer my most sincere apologies for disgracing this board by referring to it as the Rule V instead of Rule 5; I will make sure never to make such a terrible mistake again.

For your penance, say V "Our Fathers" and V "Hail Marys." :lol:

[wilk]

Double EDIT: seeing people make a big deal out of people writing Rule V instead of Rule 5 is far more annoying to me than anyone could possibly be annoyed by peopel writing it as Rule V. Rule V can easily be pronounced as rule 5. In documents when things are outlined, they're often listed in Roman numerals, I see no problem with it being written as Rule V.

 

Even more annoying is taking offense to corrections rather than considering it constructive. The concept that documents often outline things as Roman numerals is all the more reason to inform that the document actually says "5." and not "V." Technically, or legally, it's referred to as "Rule 5." You're right, there was no problem - just information.

Edited December 12, 2005 by wilk

[wilk]

Does anyone else think the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft is stupid? If an organization drafts a guy out of high school, and three years later he's in high A, maybe AA, they shouldn't have to worry about putting him on the 40 man roster or risk losing him. They spent the time and resources developing him. It just seems to me that this is an extremely stupid concept, and it penalizes teams that research, scout, and draft better than those that don't.

 

As SouthSideRyan said, you don't have to keep them on the 40-man roster to protect them enough. If you keep them on the 38-man Triple-A reserve list then the drafting team would need to keep them on their 25-man roster all year - and if he's ready to be on any 25-man roster then it's probably time to protect him entirely on your 40-man roster. For the most part, the extended prospects in the minor league phase are after you've already rostered over 50 prospects. The guys on the AA and A reserve lists are mostly organizational players and not true prospects and usually you know a lot more about the guys in your own system than someone elses.

[craig]

If the AAA roster is 38, then the org can protect 78 guys against the minor-league draft. (40 on the big league roster, 38 more on AAA). To be exposed to minor league phase, you can rank no higher than 79th on the orgs valuation list. And that's at best 79th of the players with enough experience to be draft eligible. Obviously a huge fraction of minor leaguers have signed too recently to even be eligible. So normally anybody exposed to the minor league draft does not rank in the top 120 of their system.

 

It's just an exchange of roster fill guys.

[Diffusion]

Does anyone know then what our AAA reserve list looks like right now?

[Scotti]

Double EDIT: seeing people make a big deal out of people writing Rule V instead of Rule 5 is far more annoying to me than anyone could possibly be annoyed by peopel writing it as Rule V. Rule V can easily be pronounced as rule 5. In documents when things are outlined, they're often listed in Roman numerals, I see no problem with it being written as Rule V.

 

The Rule Cinco Draft is sure fun!

[Jehrico]

Double EDIT: seeing people make a big deal out of people writing Rule V instead of Rule 5 is far more annoying to me than anyone could possibly be annoyed by peopel writing it as Rule V. Rule V can easily be pronounced as rule 5. In documents when things are outlined, they're often listed in Roman numerals, I see no problem with it being written as Rule V.

 

 

The Rule Cinco Draft is sure fun!

[showoff]

How about the Rule "O" draft? (Korean)

 

Or the Rule Cinq? (French)

 

Or the Rule Nam? (Vietnamese)

 

That's all the languages I can count in.

[/showoff]

[backcheck15]

If the Cubs could essentially protect their top 78 Rule 5 eligible prospects, can someone explain why Andy Sisco was not protected last year? Thanks.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If the Cubs could essentially protect their top 78 Rule 5 eligible prospects, can someone explain why Andy Sisco was not protected last year? Thanks.

 

It's not that simple. Sisco was eligible for the Major League phase, and they can only be protected by being placed on the 40 man roster, which includes several prospects needing protecting as well as the entire major league roster.

[Laura]

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Cubs lose:

 

Major League phase:

Juan Mateo to the Cardinals

 

Mateo was 10-5 with a 3.21 ERA in 32 games (16 starts) for Class A Daytona, striking out 123 over 109 1/3 innings.

Comment: I doubt Mateo will be able to stick on the Cards [25] man the entire season, he'll likely be returned by the end of Spring Training.

 

Update from an MLB.com article.

 

The Cards' other late arriving pitcher, Rule 5 draftee Juan Mateo, will throw for the first time on Sunday. Mateo has not impressed Cardinals brass thus far with the condition in which he arrived at camp.

 

"I can't say this for sure," said Duncan, "but it appears to me that the only one who might have come in here without really doing a lot of work before he got down here is Mateo."

[Shawon12]

It looks like Mateo has yet to appear in a ST game. I know he showed up out of shape, but is there something else wrong?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It looks like Mateo has yet to appear in a ST game. I know he showed up out of shape, but is there something else wrong?

 

I think we're guaranteed to get him back. Maybe the Cards are holding him out because they don't want him getting too much work since they know they'll have to return him to us.

[Diffusion]

Juan Mateo is just being a good Cub and trying to make sure he doesn't stick with the Cardinals.