Trade Idea...

[vacubfan]

Here are two trade ideas that I think are possible and would give the Cubs a solid line-up.

 

Rich Hill for Milton Bradley

 

Jerome Williams and Corey Patterson for either Shawn Green or Chad Tracy

 

 

I don't mind giving up Hill for Bradley because I don't think he will cut it as a major league starting pitcher. Good hitters will just sit on his curveball. Its definitely possible that Bradley could be had for less. If so, great.

 

I think Jerome Williams will be a solid #4 or #5 pitcher. However, I don't think Williams will ever be any better than that. You have to give something to get something. As for Patterson, I think he has a chance to turn it around. However, it probably won't happen with the Cubs.

 

Lineup Possibilities:

 

Pierre

Bradley

Lee

Green

Ramirez

Walker

Barrett

Cedeno

 

Pierre

Tracy

Lee

Bradley

Ramirez

Walker

Barrett

Cedeno

 

That's a very balanced line-up in my opinion. Power, obp, speed. You have Murton waiting in the wings to provide depth.

 

I read this board all the time. Don't post very often. Thanks for reading.

[Bear Cub]

I dont like that lineup cuz Murton isnt in it.

[JeffH]

Rich Hill for Milton Bradley

 

Too much.

 

Jerome Williams and Corey Patterson for either Shawn Green or Chad Tracy

 

Too little.

[oldcubsfan]

Why give up anyone for Bradley. Dec 20th he will be non-tendered. Yankees want nothing to do with him and neither does Toronto. The dodgers options are running very thin.

[vacubfan]

If you can get Bradley for nothing, great. Just get him. Add Hill into the mix to get Green or Tracy.

[Tracer Bullet]

If you can get Bradley for nothing, great. Just get him. Add Hill into the mix to get Green or Tracy.

 

Hill, Williams and Patterson for Green or Tracy? That seems high even for JH.

[Salazar89]

I'm all for going after Shawn Green. As for Bradley there is a reason no one has picked him up.

 

Cubs may need to be cautious though with Wood's injury after sending Mitre to Fla for Pierre. The Cubs starting five could be Z, Prior, Maddux, Williams and Rusch. There have been several reports that Wood may not be ready come opening day.

 

Trading Williams away ...............means Koronka.

 

I would only make the above trade if the leftover payroll goes towards an inning eating starter.

 

Can't imagine why Arizona would be trading Chad Tracy anytime soon. Cheap, young and talented..........probably not trying to move him.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I like all three guys you mention getting via trade, but Rich Hill isn't leaving our organization for the likes of Bradley.

[ConstableRabbit]

If you can get Bradley for nothing, great. Just get him. Add Hill into the mix to get Green or Tracy.

 

Hill, Williams and Patterson for Green or Tracy? That seems high even for JH.

 

To be honest, I was on the "yeah, just throw Williams in" bandwagon, but the more I think about trading him, the more nervous I get. The last thing I want is relying on minor-leaguers and/or to start games.

With Wood not ready for Opening Day you'd have to think Williams or Rusch or an unproven Hill would fill in. But then who takes over long relief? Welly? Will Welly be traded?

I'm just nervous about being in a tight spot as far as SP is concerned.

 

I guess that's why I'm not really against having Bradley in RF... he probably won't cost us a SP.

 

EDIT: I'm not a copycat.. Salazar beat me to it :)

[Salazar89]

 

 

I'm just nervous about being in a tight spot as far as SP is concerned.

 

EDIT: I'm not a copycat.. Salazar beat me to it :)

 

Great minds think alike :D

[chopsx9]

How about Lee and Walker to Toronto for Overbay, Hudson, Rios and a prospect.

[Proven Veteran]

How about Lee and Walker to Toronto for Overbay, Hudson, Rios and a prospect.

 

Wow, no thanks.

[Andy]

How about Lee and Walker to Toronto for Overbay, Hudson, Rios and a prospect.

I'm not even sure the Marlins would make that trade.

[CubsWin]

If you can get Bradley for nothing, great. Just get him. Add Hill into the mix to get Green or Tracy.

 

Hill, Williams and Patterson for Green or Tracy? That seems high even for JH.

 

To be honest, I was on the "yeah, just throw Williams in" bandwagon, but the more I think about trading him, the more nervous I get. The last thing I want is relying on minor-leaguers and/or to start games.

With Wood not ready for Opening Day you'd have to think Williams or Rusch or an unproven Hill would fill in. But then who takes over long relief? Welly? Will Welly be traded?

I'm just nervous about being in a tight spot as far as SP is concerned.

 

I guess that's why I'm not really against having Bradley in RF... he probably won't cost us a SP.

 

EDIT: I'm not a copycat.. Salazar beat me to it :)

Same with me. But the Cubs wouldn't necessarily have to be relying on minor leaguers to fill out the rotation if they traded Williams.

 

They still have the ability to spend the money they were going to spend on Furcal, right? So why not spend it on Kevin Millwood? What difference does it make if the free agent signee is an OFer, SS or P? If the Cubs can upgrade their OF (Wilkerson, Abreu, etc.) by trading Jerome Williams and others, and then turn around and upgrade their rotation by signing Kevin Millwood, would anyone be upset?

[ConstableRabbit]

If you can get Bradley for nothing, great. Just get him. Add Hill into the mix to get Green or Tracy.

 

Hill, Williams and Patterson for Green or Tracy? That seems high even for JH.

 

To be honest, I was on the "yeah, just throw Williams in" bandwagon, but the more I think about trading him, the more nervous I get. The last thing I want is relying on minor-leaguers and/or to start games.

With Wood not ready for Opening Day you'd have to think Williams or Rusch or an unproven Hill would fill in. But then who takes over long relief? Welly? Will Welly be traded?

I'm just nervous about being in a tight spot as far as SP is concerned.

 

I guess that's why I'm not really against having Bradley in RF... he probably won't cost us a SP.

 

EDIT: I'm not a copycat.. Salazar beat me to it :)

Same with me. But the Cubs wouldn't necessarily have to be relying on minor leaguers to fill out the rotation if they traded Williams.

 

They still have the ability to spend the money they were going to spend on Furcal, right? So why not spend it on Kevin Millwood? What difference does it make if the free agent signee is an OFer, SS or P? If the Cubs can upgrade their OF (Wilkerson, Abreu, etc.) by trading Jerome Williams and others, and then turn around and upgrade their rotation by signing Kevin Millwood, would anyone be upset?

 

I think Milwood is going to end up costing wayyy more than Furcal. (In years of worth and dollars)

I think Seattle was offering 4 years $44. It doesn't sound THAT bad, but he's not going to last for 4 years and be worth $11 mil/year.

 

It seems to risky to me.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Again--Green has a no-trade clause. He has only four teams he can be traded to, all on the West Coast. He is not going anywhere.

 

Chad Tracy, maybe, but why not just get Aubrey Huff instead? He's more available, will come cheaper, and is just as good (despite his off-year in 2005).

 

I'm just not that interested in Bradley now that CF is filled, and we still need a middle of the lineup thumper. Unless Tejada miraculously arrived for that job, you can't use RF to get a 2 hitter like Bradley. Need a 5 hitter for RF instead.

[MPrior]

How about Lee and Walker to Toronto for Overbay, Hudson, Rios and a prospect.

I'm not even sure the Marlins would make that trade.

 

I laughed when I read this. Just thought I'd mention it.

 

Also - I like Chad Tracy. If he can be had, it's worth trying to get him. That said, I'm also not a fan of trading away two of our best back end of the rotation options, when our rotation is so fragile and top heavy.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Why give up anyone for Bradley. Dec 20th he will be non-tendered. Yankees want nothing to do with him and neither does Toronto. The dodgers options are running very thin.

 

 

The price for Bradley is going up. According to Gammon's L.A. rejected Todd Walker trade.

[illiniguy]

Why give up anyone for Bradley. Dec 20th he will be non-tendered. Yankees want nothing to do with him and neither does Toronto. The dodgers options are running very thin.

 

 

The price for Bradley is going up. According to Gammon's L.A. rejected Todd Walker trade.

I guess I don't get how it could be as he is likely to be nontendered in a weeks times.

[NewUserName]

why dont we just let Murton play left. Cheaper and will probably give us about as much production as Green or Tracy.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why give up anyone for Bradley. Dec 20th he will be non-tendered. Yankees want nothing to do with him and neither does Toronto. The dodgers options are running very thin.

 

Like CFICT said, it's unlikely at this point that Bradley is non-tendered. Even if he were, it makes sense to give up something to make sure that he will be yours, if he's non-tendered, he can always turn you down. Not so when you have his rights.

[BigbadB]

I think the LA trade rejection of Todd Walker would be because the Dodgers are leaning towards leaving Kent at 2nd base.

 

Maybe they'd prefer someone other than a 2.5m bench player?

[c3ci1]

Why give up anyone for Bradley. Dec 20th he will be non-tendered. Yankees want nothing to do with him and neither does Toronto. The dodgers options are running very thin.

 

Like CFICT said, it's unlikely at this point that Bradley is non-tendered. Even if he were, it makes sense to give up something to make sure that he will be yours, if he's non-tendered, he can always turn you down. Not so when you have his rights.

 

I follow the control aspect of trading for v signing after he's non-tendered, but if we needed that control for him to play for us, I would def prefer not to have him. Against his will Bradley would be a really bad acquisition.

 

Sounds like that's not an issue though since he & Dusty have had their talks.