Per Rotoworld: Cubs inquire about Abreu

[Bluescale]

If they are willing to deal with Williams, Hill, and some other lesser prospects then bring it on but I disagree with depleting the staff for a guy who's past his prime.

 

I think his point was simply that you can't blame them for trying. When negotiating, you always start high and work your way down.

[chopsx9]

I'd be astonished if the Phillies can't get a more established starter than J. Williams. I am not saying give them Prior, but I can't believe any package that starts with Williams is going to get it done. In an environment with contracts like Furcal's, BJ Ryan's (and Eyre and Howery for that matter) Abreau's almost seems like a bargin. The Cubs aren't going to be able acquire Abreau for spare parts.

 

Define established. Marquis is rumored to be in the talks, he's been around a bit, and has established the fact that he's just a mediocre pitcher, no better than Williams.

 

Well I would be just as astonished if Marquis were the centrepiece of an Abreau trade. Pie was included in rumours for Pierre and I am (hopefully) confident that has no chance of happening. To be fair Marquis has a little more history behind him, not stellar history by any means, but that has to count for something, though not near enough to equal Abreau. (and no I am not saying that makes him better than Williams)

[rawaction]

Zito and Wuertz to Philly

Murton, Pinto, and Madson to Oakland

Abreu to Cubs

[mg420]

Zito and Wuertz to Philly

Murton, Pinto, and Madson to Oakland

Abreu to Cubs

 

that trade just moves the hole in the of from right to left. not very productive imo.

[CuseCubFan69]

Zito and Wuertz to Philly

Murton, Pinto, and Madson to Oakland

Abreu to Cubs

 

that trade just moves the hole in the of from right to left. not very productive imo.

 

I think that Leftfield is easier to fill than Rightfield.

[rawaction]

Zito and Wuertz to Philly

Murton, Pinto, and Madson to Oakland

Abreu to Cubs

 

that trade just moves the hole in the of from right to left. not very productive imo.

 

LF isn't that covered with Murton. He is a pretty much unproven rookie. And Abreu is one of the top 15 players in the league. You create a hole in LF, but overall the team is much better in the OF.

[mg420]

Zito and Wuertz to Philly

Murton, Pinto, and Madson to Oakland

Abreu to Cubs

 

that trade just moves the hole in the of from right to left. not very productive imo.

 

I think that Leftfield is easier to fill than Rightfield.

 

perhaps but murton will not be traded imo. he's too young & talented to give away. i would rather keep murton & see floyd or wilkerson in rf than trade murton from abreu. i also have heard that murton is on the no trade list along with hill which is a good thing imo.

[goonys evil twin]

Zito and Wuertz to Philly

Murton, Pinto, and Madson to Oakland

Abreu to Cubs

 

that trade just moves the hole in the of from right to left. not very productive imo.

 

LF isn't that covered with Murton. He is a pretty much unproven rookie. And Abreu is one of the top 15 players in the league. You create a hole in LF, but overall the team is much better in the OF.

 

But it's still a hole nonetheless, and would have to be filled, along with the hole in CF.

[goonys evil twin]

perhaps but murton will not be traded imo. he's too young & talented to give away. i would rather keep murton & see floyd or wilkerson in rf than trade murton from abreu. i also have heard that murton is on the no trade list along with hill which is a good thing imo.

 

I don't think the Cubs are in a position where they can justify a no trade list of prospects. None of their prospects is good enough to justify holding back in a trade for a top notch player like Abreu.

[CuseCubFan69]

Zito and Wuertz to Philly

Murton, Pinto, and Madson to Oakland

Abreu to Cubs

 

that trade just moves the hole in the of from right to left. not very productive imo.

 

LF isn't that covered with Murton. He is a pretty much unproven rookie. And Abreu is one of the top 15 players in the league. You create a hole in LF, but overall the team is much better in the OF.

 

But it's still a hole nonetheless, and would have to be filled, along with the hole in CF.

 

I think in a worse case scenerio the Cubs have Hairston/Patterson in CF to fall back on and Lofton is still available. If Abreu is in right the Cubs can get a Kearns/Nixon leftfield and not worry about Dusty and his vet fetish.

[goonys evil twin]

I think in a worse case scenerio the Cubs have Hairston/Patterson in CF to fall back on and Lofton is still available. If Abreu is in right the Cubs can get a Kearns/Nixon leftfield and not worry about Dusty and his vet fetish.

 

I agree with all that, I'm just saying they would still have holes to fill. You'd still need to make a move for a potentially solid LF, not settle for the PrestJuan Jonesnitz group.

[RynoRules]

perhaps but murton will not be traded imo. he's too young & talented to give away. i would rather keep murton & see floyd or wilkerson in rf than trade murton from abreu. i also have heard that murton is on the no trade list along with hill which is a good thing imo.

 

I don't think the Cubs are in a position where they can justify a no trade list of prospects. None of their prospects is good enough to justify holding back in a trade for a top notch player like Abreu.

 

I completely, utterly, and in all other ways agree.

[RynoRules]

I think in a worse case scenerio the Cubs have Hairston/Patterson in CF to fall back on and Lofton is still available. If Abreu is in right the Cubs can get a Kearns/Nixon leftfield and not worry about Dusty and his vet fetish.

 

I agree with all that, I'm just saying they would still have holes to fill. You'd still need to make a move for a potentially solid LF, not settle for the PrestJuan Jonesnitz group.

 

LOL. The bast**d love children of an illicit one night afair between Ozzie Timmons and Mitch Webster.

[BigbadB]

It's definitely going to to take 3 teams to get Abreu to the Cubs. I don't see Phily trading Abreu for unproven prospects. They will trade Abreu if the right deal comes along. They don't NEED to trade him.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think in a worse case scenerio the Cubs have Hairston/Patterson in CF to fall back on and Lofton is still available. If Abreu is in right the Cubs can get a Kearns/Nixon leftfield and not worry about Dusty and his vet fetish.

 

I agree with all that, I'm just saying they would still have holes to fill. You'd still need to make a move for a potentially solid LF, not settle for the PrestJuan Jonesnitz group.

 

I hear ya on the Jones/Wilson thing. I think there are some very good combinations of OF's available for Hendry to get and IMO his job depends on it.

[CuseCubFan69]

It's definitely going to to take 3 teams to get Abreu to the Cubs. I don't see Phily trading Abreu for unproven prospects. They will trade Abreu if the right deal comes along. They don't NEED to trade him.

 

I agree. I think the Cubs could make this 3 way trade and get Wilkerson in another 3 way if Hendry does it right.

[mg420]

perhaps but murton will not be traded imo. he's too young & talented to give away. i would rather keep murton & see floyd or wilkerson in rf than trade murton from abreu. i also have heard that murton is on the no trade list along with hill which is a good thing imo.

 

I don't think the Cubs are in a position where they can justify a no trade list of prospects. None of their prospects is good enough to justify holding back in a trade for a top notch player like Abreu.

 

I completely, utterly, and in all other ways agree.

 

thats great but since it seems that the one who makes the decisions has a different idea, hill and murton are most likely not going to be traded for anyone. time will tell if this is a good decision or not. if hill can live up to his potential, he will be worth more than a few years of abreu.

[Diffusion]

Zito and Wuertz to Philly

Murton, Pinto, and Madson to Oakland

Abreu to Cubs

 

I don't really see a reason to include Murton in there when Williams has more trade value yet is for us more expendable.

 

But I was posting similar Zito to Phillies, Abreu to Cubs ideas before (I had Zito and Mitre to Philly, Williams, Michaels and Sing to Oakland, Abreu to Cubs), so I really think that there's real potential for a deal here somewhere. How about...?

 

Barry Zito, Sergio Mitre and one of the A's lesser catching prospects to Philly

Jerome Williams, Ryan Madson and Brian Dopirak to A's

Bobby Abreu to Cubs

[RynoRules]

perhaps but murton will not be traded imo. he's too young & talented to give away. i would rather keep murton & see floyd or wilkerson in rf than trade murton from abreu. i also have heard that murton is on the no trade list along with hill which is a good thing imo.

 

I don't think the Cubs are in a position where they can justify a no trade list of prospects. None of their prospects is good enough to justify holding back in a trade for a top notch player like Abreu.

 

I completely, utterly, and in all other ways agree.

 

thats great but since it seems that the one who makes the decisions has a different idea, hill and murton are most likely not going to be traded for anyone. time will tell if this is a good decision or not. if hill can live up to his potential, he will be worth more than a few years of abreu.

 

Actually George Offman is reporting that Hill is available. This makes perfect sense; another Hendry rouse (sp?) to up his value.

[waffle]

It's definitely going to to take 3 teams to get Abreu to the Cubs. I don't see Phily trading Abreu for unproven prospects. They will trade Abreu if the right deal comes along. They don't NEED to trade him.

 

No, they don't NEED to trade him, but they WANT to trade him.

 

Even with Thome gone they still have a big payroll and they now have a logjam in the OF. Abreu is an obvious trade commodity on a team with few others (that they would consider parting ways with).

 

Abreu will be gone, but I doubt to the cubbies.

 

I still like the idea of taking the money set aside for Furcal and going after MANNY. New cubs motto: "you liked Sammy? You'll LOVE Manny"

[SeldomSeen]

It's definitely going to to take 3 teams to get Abreu to the Cubs. I don't see Phily trading Abreu for unproven prospects. They will trade Abreu if the right deal comes along. They don't NEED to trade him.

 

I agree, and it's really too bad that Javier Vasquez won't go to Philly. The D'backs would be a pretty good trade partner, I think.

[Cubzfan64]

FWIW - WEEI in Boston has been talking to their folks down in Dallas and the names Matt Clement/Trot Nixon and prospects for Abreu has come up.

 

The sportsshow guys can't believe Philly would make a trade like that, but if the prospect(s) weren't top line guys, they expect Boston would jump at that opportunity.

 

Also - more talk of Boston getting Glaus and getting rid of Manny - putting Glaus at 1B and hoping he can be at least a better defensive 1B than Millar.

[CubfaninCA]

The franchise is jinxed. Watch St. Louis get Abreu for Marquis and prospects.

 

Don't deal Prior or Z for Abreu.

[BigbadB]

It's definitely going to to take 3 teams to get Abreu to the Cubs. I don't see Phily trading Abreu for unproven prospects. They will trade Abreu if the right deal comes along. They don't NEED to trade him.

 

No, they don't NEED to trade him, but they WANT to trade him.

 

Even with Thome gone they still have a big payroll and they now have a logjam in the OF. Abreu is an obvious trade commodity on a team with few others (that they would consider parting ways with).

 

Abreu will be gone, but I doubt to the cubbies.

 

I still like the idea of taking the money set aside for Furcal and going after MANNY. New cubs motto: "you liked Sammy? You'll LOVE Manny"

 

They are not only out from under Thome, but Wagner as well. They were able to go cheap to fill both of those spots. I think they are simply dangling Abreu to see what's available. Prospects wouldn't do it.

 

I do agree that Vazquez would have been perfect. Vazquez to Phily, Abreu to Cubs, Cubs send prospects (possibly Williams) to Phily and prospects to Arizona.

[HoopsCubs]

The franchise is jinxed. Watch St. Louis get Abreu for Marquis and prospects.

 

Don't deal Prior or Z for Abreu.

 

If Hendry wants Abreu badly, but does not want to give up Zambrano or Prior, then he only has one or two shots: trade for Barry Zito or Livan Hernandez, and dangle them in front of Philly. I'm not sure what it would take to get Livan, but to get Zito, we are probably looking at Murton, Hill and Todd Walker.