Per Rotoworld: Cubs inquire about Abreu

jmajew · December 6, 2005

If you can get Wood to drop his no trade clause I think that would work for the Phillies. We may also have to throw in Sergio Mitre as insurance for Wood though. If Wood gets back to form they have their top of the rotation starter. At worst he pitches like garbage and they have an extra ten million to spend on the likes of Mulder, Zito, and Radke next offseason. Either way I think the Phillies achieve what they want with this deal.

Diffusion · December 6, 2005

to get Zito, we are probably looking at Murton, Hill and Todd Walker.

Hardly. Barry Zito isn't an ace, even if he has a reputation as one, and he's one year away from becoming a free agent that the A's have little hope of re-signing. Certainly there's a big market for him, what with other quality options limited and expensive, but he's not going to fetch that significant a haul. Not even close. The A's reportedly offered Zito to the Dodgers for Milton Bradley, Chad Billingsley and Edwin Jackson. And the Dodgers said no, even in spite of the fact that Bradley and Jackson's value to them (if not to other people) has just about bottomed out.

MPrior · December 6, 2005

Obviously there's no way we trade Prior for Abreu. Abreu doesn't make a big enough difference in our outfield to overcome a rotation of Z, Wood (if healthy), Maddux, Rusch, and Williams. Throw Mitre/Koronka/Guzman/Hill/Nolasco/whoever is ready in there when Wood goes down.

I do think it's encouraging that the source of the Williams and Hill proposal is a Philly paper. So it's not Cubs writers overvaluing prospects; someone in Philly is actually suggesting this trade (or at least reporting that they heard of it as a possibility).

Lastly, I found this funny:

In his last 10 starts last season, Prior was 4-3, 3.73, with 76 strikeouts in 60 1/3 innings. Eight of those starts were quality starts, and none was appreciably awful.

They're trying pretty hard to make Prior's 2005 look good.

Andy · December 6, 2005

According to National League sources, the Cubs asked the Phillies yesterday what it would take to pry away two-time All-Star right fielder, Gold Glove winner and reigning Home Run Derby champion Bobby Abreu. The answer: Mark Prior. The Cubs didn't say yes. But they didn't say no, either; at least, they haven't so far. The Cubs did say they would not consider dealing Carlos Zambrano.
-- Philadelphia Daily News

A. I wish they'd stop adding the HR Derby blurb as a reason to acquire Abreu. :roll:

B. It's good that they said we're not trading Z, but if we're not trading Z, then why trade Prior, who's been just as good outside of freak line drive injuries?

CardsFanInChiTown · December 6, 2005

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Neuby · December 6, 2005

I hope the cubs can get agressive and go get Abreu and Bradley. Keep Walker at second. Cedeno at short. Take a flier on a bargain basement starter or kick the tires on Jeff Weaver for insurance on Wood and call it an offseason. I am expecting to see steps forward from Barrett and Aram this year along with solid contributions from Cedeno and Murton.

erik316wttn · December 6, 2005

The franchise is jinxed. Watch St. Louis get Abreu for Marquis and prospects.

Don't deal Prior or Z for Abreu.

If Hendry wants Abreu badly, but does not want to give up Zambrano or Prior, then he only has one or two shots: trade for Barry Zito or Livan Hernandez, and dangle them in front of Philly. I'm not sure what it would take to get Livan, but to get Zito, we are probably looking at Murton, Hill and Todd Walker.

Abreu is on the downside. He'd be a phenomenal guy to have, but not for all the young talent we'd have to give up for him.

JWCUB · December 6, 2005

Just because I'm too lazy to go back and look, can someone tell me how old Abreu is?

goonys evil twin · December 6, 2005

Just because I'm too lazy to go back and look, can someone tell me how old Abreu is?

31, but he'll be 32 next spring.

Roast · December 6, 2005

I would love to have Abreu. But what intrigues me more is the thought of a three way that would bring us Dunn AND wilkerson. I think i'd have to get a new pair of pants if that went down.

But still, since this thread is talking about Abreu, Hendry is, imo, right about not trading Prior or Z. But NO starting pitchers? I'd trade Williams/Rush so fast its not even funny.

badger1679666666 · December 6, 2005

I'd trade Williams/Rush so fast its not even funny.

Yes but Gilleck would laugh very hard in your face. :wink:

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It actually wasn't the entire article but I get your point. Main points...

1) Mark Prior for Bobby Abreu. Will not happen.

2) "the only pitchers the Cubs are interested in trading are relievers or prospects. "

3) "minimal interest in Aubrey Huff to fill their right-field vacancy"

4) another quote - According to one team that inquired about Pie, the Cubs "don't have very many untouchables -- but he's one."

I don't know how the Cubs can hope for a good OF bat w\o moving Pie but we shall see.

badger1679666666 · December 6, 2005

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It actually wasn't the entire article but I get your point. Main points...

1) Mark Prior for Bobby Abreu. Will not happen.
2) "the only pitchers the Cubs are interested in trading are relievers or prospects. "
3) "minimal interest in Aubrey Huff to fill their right-field vacancy"
4) another quote - According to one team that inquired about Pie, the Cubs "don't have very many untouchables -- but he's one."

I don't know how the Cubs can hope for a good OF bat w\o moving Pie but we shall see.

Would you believe you could trade:

Hundley

Hawkins

A.Gone

Brendan Harris/Francis Beltran

Bobby Hill

Choi

And get significant to all star production back for many of them? Hendry has a good track record of trading.

RyCubsFan · December 6, 2005

I don't know how the Cubs can hope for a good OF bat w\o moving Pie but we shall see.

The Cubs have many young pitchers with good arms to trade for a bat...

The Cards keep thinking that Marquis should net them a big bat, but Williams is certainly more valuable than Marquis. Their stuff is simiar, and they put up similar numbers last year. Williams, however, is younger and cheaper.

Roast · December 6, 2005

I'd trade Williams/Rush so fast its not even funny.

Yes but Gilleck would laugh very hard in your face. :wink:

The article goes on to suggest a possible Williams + Hill for Abreu, which I would do so fast Gillick's head would spin.

PieOnMyHands · December 7, 2005

The Cards keep thinking that Marquis should net them a big bat, but Williams is certainly more valuable than Marquis. Their stuff is simiar, and they put up similar numbers last year. Williams, however, is younger and cheaper.

But then agian, Marquis is a year removed from a 15-win, 3.71 ERA season. I don't really like him, but I do think he does have more value.

rawaction · December 7, 2005

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It actually wasn't the entire article but I get your point. Main points...

1) Mark Prior for Bobby Abreu. Will not happen.
2) "the only pitchers the Cubs are interested in trading are relievers or prospects. "
3) "minimal interest in Aubrey Huff to fill their right-field vacancy"
4) another quote - According to one team that inquired about Pie, the Cubs "don't have very many untouchables -- but he's one."

I don't know how the Cubs can hope for a good OF bat w\o moving Pie but we shall see.

Would you believe you could trade:

Hundley
Hawkins
A.Gone
Brendan Harris/Francis Beltran
Bobby Hill
Choi

And get significant to all star production back for many of them? Hendry has a good track record of trading.

But none of those players were the quality of Abreu at the time of the deal. Lee and Ramirez had still just shown glimpses of what they've become. Nomar was an injury problem with 2 months left on his contract. Karros and Grudz were bad, and I sure hope Hendry isn't targeting players of that caliber.

I don't see an Abreu or Dunn deal happening without dealing Pie and/or Hill. But I agree that the Cubs could easily get guys like Wilkerson, Bradley, and other names that have been mentioned.

nilodnayr · December 7, 2005

The Cards keep thinking that Marquis should net them a big bat, but Williams is certainly more valuable than Marquis. Their stuff is simiar, and they put up similar numbers last year. Williams, however, is younger and cheaper.

But then agian, Marquis is a year removed from a 15-win, 3.71 ERA season. I don't really like him, but I do think he does have more value.

Last year with the cubs Williams posted a 3.91 ERA. Marquis is one year away from FA and will make ~5M next year. Williams is 4 years way from FA and will make 450K next year. How exactly does Marquis have more value?

badger1679666666 · December 7, 2005

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It actually wasn't the entire article but I get your point. Main points...

1) Mark Prior for Bobby Abreu. Will not happen.
2) "the only pitchers the Cubs are interested in trading are relievers or prospects. "
3) "minimal interest in Aubrey Huff to fill their right-field vacancy"
4) another quote - According to one team that inquired about Pie, the Cubs "don't have very many untouchables -- but he's one."

I don't know how the Cubs can hope for a good OF bat w\o moving Pie but we shall see.

Would you believe you could trade:

Hundley
Hawkins
A.Gone
Brendan Harris/Francis Beltran
Bobby Hill
Choi

And get significant to all star production back for many of them? Hendry has a good track record of trading.

But none of those players were the quality of Abreu at the time of the deal. Lee and Ramirez had still just shown glimpses of what they've become. Nomar was an injury problem with 2 months left on his contract. Karros and Grudz were bad, and I sure hope Hendry isn't targeting players of that caliber.

I don't see an Abreu or Dunn deal happening without dealing Pie and/or Hill. But I agree that the Cubs could easily get guys like Wilkerson, Bradley, and other names that have been mentioned.

Yea I agree but CFICT merely said a GOOD of bat. Not a superstar OF bat.

JudasIscariotTheBird · December 7, 2005

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It actually wasn't the entire article but I get your point. Main points...

1) Mark Prior for Bobby Abreu. Will not happen.
2) "the only pitchers the Cubs are interested in trading are relievers or prospects. "
3) "minimal interest in Aubrey Huff to fill their right-field vacancy"
4) another quote - According to one team that inquired about Pie, the Cubs "don't have very many untouchables -- but he's one."

I don't know how the Cubs can hope for a good OF bat w\o moving Pie but we shall see.

Would you believe you could trade:

Hundley
Hawkins
A.Gone
Brendan Harris/Francis Beltran
Bobby Hill
Choi

And get significant to all star production back for many of them? Hendry has a good track record of trading.

But none of those players were the quality of Abreu at the time of the deal. Lee and Ramirez had still just shown glimpses of what they've become. Nomar was an injury problem with 2 months left on his contract. Karros and Grudz were bad, and I sure hope Hendry isn't targeting players of that caliber.

I don't see an Abreu or Dunn deal happening without dealing Pie and/or Hill. But I agree that the Cubs could easily get guys like Wilkerson, Bradley, and other names that have been mentioned.

WHAT!?! The most impressive off all of his trades: Hundley for Grudz and Karros and CASH!?! Karros and Grudz were bad? From what I remember, Grudz was surprisingly good, and Karros was mildly effective when used in a platoon. I mean, the trade was an absolute flecing all on its own, but Hendry had to rub it in and get cash with the deal. I still can't believe it. The day it was made I laugh/cried myself to sleep.

Also, didn't we net Murton in the trade that got us Nomar? Every single trade that Hendry has made has been gold, unless there is one that I'm forgetting. ...now, just about every single signing that Hendry has made has been abysmal.

CardsFanInChiTown · December 7, 2005

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It actually wasn't the entire article but I get your point. Main points...

1) Mark Prior for Bobby Abreu. Will not happen.
2) "the only pitchers the Cubs are interested in trading are relievers or prospects. "
3) "minimal interest in Aubrey Huff to fill their right-field vacancy"
4) another quote - According to one team that inquired about Pie, the Cubs "don't have very many untouchables -- but he's one."

I don't know how the Cubs can hope for a good OF bat w\o moving Pie but we shall see.

Would you believe you could trade:

Hundley
Hawkins
A.Gone
Brendan Harris/Francis Beltran
Bobby Hill
Choi

And get significant to all star production back for many of them? Hendry has a good track record of trading.

But none of those players were the quality of Abreu at the time of the deal. Lee and Ramirez had still just shown glimpses of what they've become. Nomar was an injury problem with 2 months left on his contract. Karros and Grudz were bad, and I sure hope Hendry isn't targeting players of that caliber.

I don't see an Abreu or Dunn deal happening without dealing Pie and/or Hill. But I agree that the Cubs could easily get guys like Wilkerson, Bradley, and other names that have been mentioned.

Yea I agree but CFICT merely said a GOOD of bat. Not a superstar OF bat.

Yeah sorry I wasn't clear I did mean an impact bat.

badger1679666666 · December 7, 2005

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It actually wasn't the entire article but I get your point. Main points...

1) Mark Prior for Bobby Abreu. Will not happen.
2) "the only pitchers the Cubs are interested in trading are relievers or prospects. "
3) "minimal interest in Aubrey Huff to fill their right-field vacancy"
4) another quote - According to one team that inquired about Pie, the Cubs "don't have very many untouchables -- but he's one."

I don't know how the Cubs can hope for a good OF bat w\o moving Pie but we shall see.

Would you believe you could trade:

Hundley
Hawkins
A.Gone
Brendan Harris/Francis Beltran
Bobby Hill
Choi

And get significant to all star production back for many of them? Hendry has a good track record of trading.

But none of those players were the quality of Abreu at the time of the deal. Lee and Ramirez had still just shown glimpses of what they've become. Nomar was an injury problem with 2 months left on his contract. Karros and Grudz were bad, and I sure hope Hendry isn't targeting players of that caliber.

I don't see an Abreu or Dunn deal happening without dealing Pie and/or Hill. But I agree that the Cubs could easily get guys like Wilkerson, Bradley, and other names that have been mentioned.

WHAT!?! The most impressive off all of his trades: Hundley for Grudz and Karros and CASH!?! Karros and Grudz were bad? From what I remember, Grudz was surprisingly good, and Karros was mildly effective when used in a platoon. I mean, the trade was an absolute flecing all on its own, but Hendry had to rub it in and get cash with the deal. I still can't believe it. The day it was made I laugh/cried myself to sleep.

Also, didn't we net Murton in the trade that got us Nomar? Every single trade that Hendry has made has been gold, unless there is one that I'm forgetting. ...now, just about every single signing that Hendry has made has been abysmal.

I agree with you almost completely though there were a FEW bad trades - namely only when the player was devalued by the Cubs first

Sosa

Farnsworth

Cruz

And then the Alfonseca/Clement deal but no one knew Willis would be an absolute stud, he was an afterthought.

Outshined_One · December 7, 2005

I agree with you almost completely though there were a FEW bad trades - namely only when the player was devalued by the Cubs first

Sosa
Farnsworth
Cruz

And then the Alfonseca/Clement deal but no one knew Willis would be an absolute stud, he was an afterthought.

I'll agree with Sosa and Cruz, but Farns is a wait & see guy with me. Scott Moore is some one worth keeping an eye on and Novoa could turn out to be halfway decent.

nilodnayr · December 7, 2005

WHAT!?! The most impressive off all of his trades: Hundley for Grudz and Karros and CASH!?! Karros and Grudz were bad? From what I remember, Grudz was surprisingly good, and Karros was mildly effective when used in a platoon. I mean, the trade was an absolute flecing all on its own, but Hendry had to rub it in and get cash with the deal. I still can't believe it. The day it was made I laugh/cried myself to sleep.

While the day of the trade reaction was that it was quite a fleecing, no one could predict exactly how huge Grudz and Karros would be for us. Many would have been happy if they would have never taken an AB for us, but for both to be contributors to the 2003 run after each player having two very bad years was just luck (think every crap player the cards play that end up being amazing). And actually the cubs ended up paying an extra .5M in that deal (Karros 8M + 1M buy out, Grudz 5.5M +.5M buy out), while the Dodgers sent 2M our way and paid the rest of Hundley's 12.5M in 2003 and 2004 (which they probably made a decent amount back on in insurance). Plus at the time Karros and Grudz were known for causing clubhouse problems. At the time both players were thought to be fall back options should Choi and Bobby Hill fail. The dodgers spread out their liability over two years allowing them to sign Jeff Kent, while staying under the luxury tax point.

YearofDaCubs · December 7, 2005

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It actually wasn't the entire article but I get your point. Main points...

1) Mark Prior for Bobby Abreu. Will not happen.
2) "the only pitchers the Cubs are interested in trading are relievers or prospects. "
3) "minimal interest in Aubrey Huff to fill their right-field vacancy"
4) another quote - According to one team that inquired about Pie, the Cubs "don't have very many untouchables -- but he's one."

I don't know how the Cubs can hope for a good OF bat w\o moving Pie but we shall see.

Would you believe you could trade:

Hundley
Hawkins
A.Gone
Brendan Harris/Francis Beltran
Bobby Hill
Choi

And get significant to all star production back for many of them? Hendry has a good track record of trading.

But none of those players were the quality of Abreu at the time of the deal. Lee and Ramirez had still just shown glimpses of what they've become. Nomar was an injury problem with 2 months left on his contract. Karros and Grudz were bad, and I sure hope Hendry isn't targeting players of that caliber.

I don't see an Abreu or Dunn deal happening without dealing Pie and/or Hill. But I agree that the Cubs could easily get guys like Wilkerson, Bradley, and other names that have been mentioned.

WHAT!?! The most impressive off all of his trades: Hundley for Grudz and Karros and CASH!?! Karros and Grudz were bad? From what I remember, Grudz was surprisingly good, and Karros was mildly effective when used in a platoon. I mean, the trade was an absolute flecing all on its own, but Hendry had to rub it in and get cash with the deal. I still can't believe it. The day it was made I laugh/cried myself to sleep.

Also, didn't we net Murton in the trade that got us Nomar? Every single trade that Hendry has made has been gold, unless there is one that I'm forgetting. ...now, just about every single signing that Hendry has made has been abysmal.

I agree with you almost completely though there were a FEW bad trades - namely only when the player was devalued by the Cubs first

Sosa
Farnsworth
Cruz

And then the Alfonseca/Clement deal but no one knew Willis would be an absolute stud, he was an afterthought.

You can also add Bear Bay for Bartosh to that list. And getting Murton in the Nomar deal is what makes it better because Nomar didn't do squat for the Cubs. Overall, Hendry's trades have been pretty damn good.

Per Rotoworld: Cubs inquire about Abreu

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