Dodger offer to Furcal........

[Bgbird68]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-spw-dodgers3dec03,1,2798857.story?coll=la-headlines-sports&ctrack=1&cset=true

 

Wow, that's going to be hard to turn down.

[CuseCubFan69]

You have to be a member bgbird, do you have the numbers?

[Bgbird68]

3 yrs/ 40 mil

[CubinNY]

3 yrs/ 40 mil

 

Aren't the Cubs offering a 4 for 40? Not that I want Furcal for that kind of money but I would take the Cubs offer b/c of the year.

[CuseCubFan69]

13 a year....no way. On to plan B.

[fearthecubs]

3 yrs/ 40 mil

 

Aren't the Cubs offering a 4 for 40? Not that I want Furcal for that kind of money but I would take the Cubs offer b/c of the year.

 

Why...he'll just be a free agent at 31, who's to say he can't even sign a 5/50 deal after his 3/40 with L.A.?

[SpanishFortCub]

If he takes 3/40, he's leaving 10 million on the table. Like any player, you have to approach the contract with the mindset that it could be your last.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Considering his age If I were furcal i'd rather have 3/40m than 5/50.

[XZero771679666304]

Considering his age If I were furcal i'd rather have 3/40m than 5/50.

 

Since his game is built around speed, I disagree. Your legs are usually the first things to go as you age, and without them Furcal loses his appeal. If I were him, I'd go with the years.

[CubinNY]

Considering his age If I were furcal i'd rather have 3/40m than 5/50.

 

Then again you are not a professional baseball player.

 

Anything can happen during the contract length. Most guys want stability, they'd take years over dollars 9 times out of 10. And if they can get a no trade, even better. Nobody likes change.

 

Why do you think your beloved Cards and my beloved Cubs won't do long term contracts?

[SpanishFortCub]

If he blows out a knee or rips a groin off the bone or tears up that shoulder again in 2007 or 2008, he might regret passing up the 10 million. By the way, for the agent, that's $400,000 left on the table. How much do you think Kinzer's Atlanta home costs? I'll guess $600,000. Hmmm. I'm not trying to be a smartass. I'm just saying leaving $10 million on the table is a gamble.

[Balsa]

Why did the Dodgers have to get involved? I bet if it weren't for them, we'd be seeing Furcal in a Cubs hat already... :evil: :evil:

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Considering his age If I were furcal i'd rather have 3/40m than 5/50.

 

Then again you are not a professional baseball player.

 

Anything can happen during the contract length. Most guys want stability, they'd take years over dollars 9 times out of 10. And if they can get a no trade, even better. Nobody likes change.

 

Why do you think your beloved Cards and my beloved Cubs won't do long term contracts?

 

Sure it's a gamble but I think there's a very good chance he'll be worth more than 2/10 when he's 30. Again, if I were him I'd take the 3/40. I bet he ends up with 5/60.

[E.J.]

Considering his age If I were furcal i'd rather have 3/40m than 5/50.

 

Since his game is built around speed, I disagree. Your legs are usually the first things to go as you age, and without them Furcal loses his appeal. If I were him, I'd go with the years.

 

I think all Furcal has to do is look at a fellow SS named Nomar who passed up a big deal from the Red Sox. We all know how that turned out for Nomar. You have to take as many guaranteed years as you can because you never know what's going to happen.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

What I read is that the Dodgers offer is just slightly less than 3/40, which means it could be something like 3/38 or 3/39. My guess is the Cubs offer is also slightly less then 5/50. 5/47 or 5/48? The Braves @ 4/38, not willing to go the 5th year.

 

Before the Dodgers presented an offer, it sounded like Furcal & his agent were tyring to get ATL to offer that 5th year & they wouldn't budge. They were ready to make their decision & then the Dodgers complicated things by offereing almost 13 mil a year.

 

This is pure speculation on my part:

If Furcal wasn't so set on the 5th year, he would already have resigned with the Braves. Even with Chipper restructuring his contract, the Braves have reached the limit they can offer Furcal. They are a mid level payroll team & already have a ton of money tied up in both Jonses, Smoltz & Hampton. They still have other needs: BP & a closer.

My opinion the Cubs are still leading this FA SS race.

[Roast]

Here is the Tribunes take on the dodgers offer.

 

The Dodgers have offered the free-agent shortstop a three-year deal worth $39 million, a person familiar with negotiations told the Journal-Constitution on Friday. Los Angeles' bid came on the heels of a five-year pitch worth nearly $50 million from the Cubs.

 

Furcal was leaning toward signing with the Cubs until new Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti met late Tuesday with one of Furcal's agents in Los Angeles.

 

That night or the following day, the Dodgers came in with their whopper--more than $3 million above the average annual value of the Cubs' offer.

 

You can read the rest of the article at the link above

[Jehrico]

Here is the Tribunes take on the dodgers offer.

 

The Dodgers have offered the free-agent shortstop a three-year deal worth $39 million, a person familiar with negotiations told the Journal-Constitution on Friday. Los Angeles' bid came on the heels of a five-year pitch worth nearly $50 million from the Cubs.

 

Furcal was leaning toward signing with the Cubs until new Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti met late Tuesday with one of Furcal's agents in Los Angeles.

 

That night or the following day, the Dodgers came in with their whopper--more than $3 million above the average annual value of the Cubs' offer.

 

You can read the rest of the article at the link above

 

His agent said it wasn't just about the money, we'll see. If he picks LA over us, then yes, it is just about the money. If he picks Atlanta over us, we'll, then maybe he could stick to his guns that he was too loyal to the organization to leave them. I can't see why anyone would want to go play for the Dodgers, unless it is for the money. What a horribly, horribly run team.

[gflore34]

Here is the Tribunes take on the dodgers offer.

 

The Dodgers have offered the free-agent shortstop a three-year deal worth $39 million, a person familiar with negotiations told the Journal-Constitution on Friday. Los Angeles' bid came on the heels of a five-year pitch worth nearly $50 million from the Cubs.

 

Furcal was leaning toward signing with the Cubs until new Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti met late Tuesday with one of Furcal's agents in Los Angeles.

 

That night or the following day, the Dodgers came in with their whopper--more than $3 million above the average annual value of the Cubs' offer.

 

You can read the rest of the article at the link above

 

His agent said it wasn't just about the money, we'll see. If he picks LA over us, then yes, it is just about the money. If he picks Atlanta over us, we'll, then maybe he could stick to his guns that he was too loyal to the organization to leave them. I can't see why anyone would want to go play for the Dodgers, unless it is for the money. What a horribly, horribly run team.

 

I'm starting to believe the Cubs and Dodgers are being used to squeeze a little more out the Braves. He'd been a Cub by now if he was truely as interested as the media suggested.

[JeffH]

He'd been a Cub by now if he was truely as interested as the media suggested.

 

Nonsense.

 

Kinzer "promised" that Furcal would make a decision before the Winter Meetings so the teams that lost out could proceed with other plans.

 

Last night's LA Times article stated that the decision wouldn't be for a couple of days, which is in keeping with that timeline.

 

Kinzer has nothing to gain by deciding early. By waiting until the last moment, one of the teams might give up a little something extra. Regardless of how insignificant we might think that something is, it could be important to Furcal.

[Mizzou]

3 yrs/ 40 mil

 

Aren't the Cubs offering a 4 for 40? Not that I want Furcal for that kind of money but I would take the Cubs offer b/c of the year.

 

That doesn't make any sense. 40 million over three years or 40 million over four years? I can't see any rational baseball player/agent taking the latter, based solely on the contract itself.

Edited December 3, 2005 by Mizzou

[JeffH]

That doesn't make any sense. 40 million over three years or 40 million over four years? I can't see any rational baseball player/agent taking the former, based solely on the contract itself.

 

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[Diffusion]

Three years in Dodger Stadium is a good way to ensure that your next contract isn't worth more than $11m/2yrs plus the cost and hassle of finding another home.

 

If I were the Cubs right now, I'd be pretty scared they're about to get burnt. The $50m/5yr offer should never have been made, and it should be withdrawn right now in case Furcal uses his common sense.

 

The Cubs ought to have long ago turned their attentions to addressing the outfield via trade, entrusting the shortstop position to young Ronny. The Cubs need a big bat this off-season, and it makes a lot more sense to get one that plays a position where you currently have no viable internal options and where positional premiums do not apply.

 

The Cubs can take their team a whole lot further by pursuing the best right fielder they can get, and not the best shortstop.

[Mizzou]

That doesn't make any sense. 40 million over three years or 40 million over four years? I can't see any rational baseball player/agent taking the former, based solely on the contract itself.

 

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Yeah, that should read "the latter." I changed it. Thanks.

[CubinNY]

Three years in Dodger Stadium is a good way to ensure that your next contract isn't worth more than $11m/2yrs plus the cost and hassle of finding another home.

 

If I were the Cubs right now, I'd be pretty scared they're about to get burnt. The $50m/5yr offer should never have been made, and it should be withdrawn right now in case Furcal uses his common sense.

 

The Cubs ought to have long ago turned their attentions to addressing the outfield via trade, entrusting the shortstop position to young Ronny. The Cubs need a big bat this off-season, and it makes a lot more sense to get one that plays a position where you currently have no viable internal options and where positional premiums do not apply.

 

The Cubs can take their team a whole lot further by pursuing the best right fielder they can get, and not the best shortstop.

 

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[gflore34]

He'd been a Cub by now if he was truely as interested as the media suggested.

 

Nonsense.

 

Kinzer "promised" that Furcal would make a decision before the Winter Meetings so the teams that lost out could proceed with other plans

Last night's LA Times article stated that the decision wouldn't be for a couple of days, which is in keeping with that timeline.

 

Kinzer has nothing to gain by deciding early. By waiting until the last moment, one of the teams might give up a little something extra. Regardless of how insignificant we might think that something is, it could be important to Furcal.

 

You're probably right. Do you think the Cubs really have a shot at signing him? I'm thinking waiting to last moment will squeeze more dollars or another year out the Braves.