I honestly feel a huge trade coming......

[LoneStarCubFan]

Yeah, everybody thought a big trade was coming last offseason too after Sosa left. I'm taking the wait and see approach.

 

They thought a big trade was coming at the deadline too...

 

Hey now, he got Matt Lawton...

[YearofDaCubs]

Yeah, everybody thought a big trade was coming last offseason too after Sosa left. I'm taking the wait and see approach.

 

They thought a big trade was coming at the deadline too...

 

Hey now, he got Matt Lawton...

Worthless trade..

[Andy]

Only worthless because Lawton got off the roids.

[CubfaninCA]

Yeah, everybody thought a big trade was coming last offseason too after Sosa left. I'm taking the wait and see approach.

 

They thought a big trade was coming at the deadline too...

 

Hey now, he got Matt Lawton...

Worthless trade..

 

Gmab. Lawton's obp was around .370 when they got him. Don't hurt your back stretching, so you can give Hendry zero credit.

[YearofDaCubs]

Yeah, everybody thought a big trade was coming last offseason too after Sosa left. I'm taking the wait and see approach.

 

They thought a big trade was coming at the deadline too...

 

Hey now, he got Matt Lawton...

Worthless trade..

 

Gmab. Lawton's obp was around .370 when they got him. Don't hurt your back stretching, so you can give Hendry zero credit.

And what exactly was Lawton's OBP for us because that is what matters? He was pathetic for us or do you seem to forget that part? Right when the trade happened I didn't like it because at that point in time getting to the playoffs was a stretch. It was a worthless trade. Man, get off Hendry's jock. So you give credit to Hendry because Lawton came here and didn't do anything for us? What a joke.

[CoolHandLuke]

So you fault Hendry for acquiring a guy who, if he would have performed at the same level he had all season or his whole career, would have given the team a huge spark? It's not Hendrys fault he sucked as a cub.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

So you fault Hendry for acquiring a guy who, if he would have performed at the same level he had all season or his whole career, would have given the team a huge spark? It's not Hendrys fault he sucked as a cub.

 

Well said!

[YearofDaCubs]

So you fault Hendry for acquiring a guy who, if he would have performed at the same level he had all season or his whole career, would have given the team a huge spark? It's not Hendrys fault he sucked as a cub.

LIke I said the trade was worthless because 1. Lawton didn't do squat and 2. Although not mathematically out at the time us making the playoffs was a longshot at best. I commend Hendry for his last ditch effort but in reality that trade didn't do anything for us therefore it was worthless.

[DesMoinesCub]

I don't want to attack the poster, just the post. I will do this as best as I can...

 

Let's say for example the Cubs actually sign Giles (which I don't think will happen). Because of injury/age/ whatever, Giles becomes a sub par player. Looking at past numbers, this would be a great deal. But would it be terrible because he was bad with the Cubs.

 

I am hoping the Lawton trade was "bad" because of the position they were in when the made it and not for the fact Lawton didn't do a thing as a Cub.

[CubfaninCA]

If hindsight's 20/20 obviously the Cubs don't make the trade. The Cubs needed a guy like Lawton. Unfortunately, he choked. Don't let hatred get in the way of objectivity.

[goonys evil twin]

If hindsight's 20/20 obviously the Cubs don't make the trade. The Cubs needed a guy like Lawton. Unfortunately, he choked. Don't let hatred get in the way of objectivity.

 

I wouldn't call it a need. They needed to play Murton more often much more than they needed Lawton. Even an as expected Lawton doesn't get this team into the playoffs.

[jmajew]

The only thing about that Lawton deal that i didn't like was giving up Jody Gerut. He would have been a terrific fourth outfieder for this team.

[CubfaninCA]

If hindsight's 20/20 obviously the Cubs don't make the trade. The Cubs needed a guy like Lawton. Unfortunately, he choked. Don't let hatred get in the way of objectivity.

 

I wouldn't call it a need. They needed to play Murton more often much more than they needed Lawton. Even an as expected Lawton doesn't get this team into the playoffs.

 

They needed to replace Burnitz w/ Murton. Burnitz was like 0 for the summer or something close to that. :x

[goonys evil twin]

If hindsight's 20/20 obviously the Cubs don't make the trade. The Cubs needed a guy like Lawton. Unfortunately, he choked. Don't let hatred get in the way of objectivity.

 

I wouldn't call it a need. They needed to play Murton more often much more than they needed Lawton. Even an as expected Lawton doesn't get this team into the playoffs.

 

They needed to replace Burnitz w/ Murton. Burnitz was like 0 for the summer or something close to that. :x

 

True, but that wasn't even on their radar. They liked what Burnitz gave them.

[YearofDaCubs]

If hindsight's 20/20 obviously the Cubs don't make the trade. The Cubs needed a guy like Lawton. Unfortunately, he choked. Don't let hatred get in the way of objectivity.

NO hatred here. When I see a move I like I will give props to Hendry. Eyre isn't abad signing but he is also overpaid. I don't even have to bring up what I think about Rusch and Perez. If Hendry signs Furcal or he trades for an impact bat/pitcher I will give him the props he rightfully deserves. As it stands right now we are not a contending team. Obviously it's early but when it is all said and done if I feel Hendry has done enough I will be happy and commend him until then I will call it how I see it. It's not hatred at all.

[CubfaninCA]

If hindsight's 20/20 obviously the Cubs don't make the trade. The Cubs needed a guy like Lawton. Unfortunately, he choked. Don't let hatred get in the way of objectivity.

NO hatred here. When I see a move I like I will give props to Hendry. Eyre isn't abad signing but he is also overpaid. I don't even have to bring up what I think about Rusch and Perez. If Hendry signs Furcal or he trades for an impact bat/pitcher I will give him the props he rightfully deserves. As it stands right now we are not a contending team. Obviously it's early but when it is all said and done if I feel Hendry has done enough I will be happy and commend him until then I will call it how I see it. It's not hatred at all.

 

Ok. As for contenders now, it's too early. Several playoff teams have some major holes due to free agency or ingrate players. The Red Sox (Damon & Manny) and White Sox (Konerko) come to mind quickly. I'll wait until after the winter meetings before passing much judgement.

[badger1679666666]

If hindsight's 20/20 obviously the Cubs don't make the trade. The Cubs needed a guy like Lawton. Unfortunately, he choked. Don't let hatred get in the way of objectivity.

NO hatred here. When I see a move I like I will give props to Hendry. Eyre isn't abad signing but he is also overpaid. I don't even have to bring up what I think about Rusch and Perez. If Hendry signs Furcal or he trades for an impact bat/pitcher I will give him the props he rightfully deserves. As it stands right now we are not a contending team. Obviously it's early but when it is all said and done if I feel Hendry has done enough I will be happy and commend him until then I will call it how I see it. It's not hatred at all.

 

Maybe it's your phrasing then. The deal turned out to be totally unhelpful. However blaming Hendry for that is totally misplaced. It was a good deal, if Lawton would have stayed on the roids and had a .370 OBP, no question about it. It was a solid effort to fix an abysmal leadoff situation. I would say the trade didn't work out, and technically, it wasn't worth much, but it was NOT hendry's fault in ANY way shape or form. Who the hell could know he would lose .100 off his OBP just by swtiching from the Pirates to the Cubs? It's very easy to sit here after the fact and judge, but I heard only positive reactions from the majority of people on this site and Cubs fans elsewhere in regards to this trade when it happened.

[YearofDaCubs]

If hindsight's 20/20 obviously the Cubs don't make the trade. The Cubs needed a guy like Lawton. Unfortunately, he choked. Don't let hatred get in the way of objectivity.

NO hatred here. When I see a move I like I will give props to Hendry. Eyre isn't abad signing but he is also overpaid. I don't even have to bring up what I think about Rusch and Perez. If Hendry signs Furcal or he trades for an impact bat/pitcher I will give him the props he rightfully deserves. As it stands right now we are not a contending team. Obviously it's early but when it is all said and done if I feel Hendry has done enough I will be happy and commend him until then I will call it how I see it. It's not hatred at all.

 

Maybe it's your phrasing then. The deal turned out to be totally unhelpful. However blaming Hendry for that is totally misplaced. It was a good deal, if Lawton would have stayed on the roids and had a .370 OBP, no question about it. It was a solid effort to fix an abysmal leadoff situation. I would say the trade didn't work out, and technically, it wasn't worth much, but it was NOT hendry's fault in ANY way shape or form. Who the hell could know he would lose .100 off his OBP just by swtiching from the Pirates to the Cubs? It's very easy to sit here after the fact and judge, but I heard only positive reactions from the majority of people on this site and Cubs fans elsewhere in regards to this trade when it happened.

Well, if you go back to the thread you will see my tone did not change on the trade. I said it then and I'll say it now the trade did not help the Cubs. It wasn't more so what Lawton did it was the fact that we were already almost mathematically out of it.

[Andy]

If hindsight's 20/20 obviously the Cubs don't make the trade. The Cubs needed a guy like Lawton. Unfortunately, he choked. Don't let hatred get in the way of objectivity.

NO hatred here. When I see a move I like I will give props to Hendry. Eyre isn't abad signing but he is also overpaid. I don't even have to bring up what I think about Rusch and Perez. If Hendry signs Furcal or he trades for an impact bat/pitcher I will give him the props he rightfully deserves. As it stands right now we are not a contending team. Obviously it's early but when it is all said and done if I feel Hendry has done enough I will be happy and commend him until then I will call it how I see it. It's not hatred at all.

 

Maybe it's your phrasing then. The deal turned out to be totally unhelpful. However blaming Hendry for that is totally misplaced. It was a good deal, if Lawton would have stayed on the roids and had a .370 OBP, no question about it. It was a solid effort to fix an abysmal leadoff situation. I would say the trade didn't work out, and technically, it wasn't worth much, but it was NOT hendry's fault in ANY way shape or form. Who the hell could know he would lose .100 off his OBP just by swtiching from the Pirates to the Cubs? It's very easy to sit here after the fact and judge, but I heard only positive reactions from the majority of people on this site and Cubs fans elsewhere in regards to this trade when it happened.

Well, if you go back to the thread you will see my tone did not change on the trade. I said it then and I'll say it now the trade did not help the Cubs. It wasn't more so what Lawton did it was the fact that we were already almost mathematically out of it.

The Cubs really weren't that far out until they lost eight in a row in early August. We were far from done at the end of July.

[YearofDaCubs]

If hindsight's 20/20 obviously the Cubs don't make the trade. The Cubs needed a guy like Lawton. Unfortunately, he choked. Don't let hatred get in the way of objectivity.

NO hatred here. When I see a move I like I will give props to Hendry. Eyre isn't abad signing but he is also overpaid. I don't even have to bring up what I think about Rusch and Perez. If Hendry signs Furcal or he trades for an impact bat/pitcher I will give him the props he rightfully deserves. As it stands right now we are not a contending team. Obviously it's early but when it is all said and done if I feel Hendry has done enough I will be happy and commend him until then I will call it how I see it. It's not hatred at all.

 

Maybe it's your phrasing then. The deal turned out to be totally unhelpful. However blaming Hendry for that is totally misplaced. It was a good deal, if Lawton would have stayed on the roids and had a .370 OBP, no question about it. It was a solid effort to fix an abysmal leadoff situation. I would say the trade didn't work out, and technically, it wasn't worth much, but it was NOT hendry's fault in ANY way shape or form. Who the hell could know he would lose .100 off his OBP just by swtiching from the Pirates to the Cubs? It's very easy to sit here after the fact and judge, but I heard only positive reactions from the majority of people on this site and Cubs fans elsewhere in regards to this trade when it happened.

Well, if you go back to the thread you will see my tone did not change on the trade. I said it then and I'll say it now the trade did not help the Cubs. It wasn't more so what Lawton did it was the fact that we were already almost mathematically out of it.

The Cubs really weren't that far out until they lost eight in a row in early August. We were far from done at the end of July.

We were 4GB the wild card with about 47 games to go. I suppose he could've given us a spark but I didn't see the team going anywhere at that time. Injuries didnt help the cause either.

[BigbadB]

I can't say much about the Lawton deal, other that too little, too late.

 

It was a nice effort, but we needed someone in June or July. I will say that Lawton was a guy I was thilled getting when he did finally arrive.

 

Unfortunately, it didn't work out.

[Drew Doughty]

Yeah, I had it flipped to ESPNNews right at the deadline and when the Lawton deal was reported I was pretty happy. Then he sucked and then he got caught with roids.

[treebird]

I'm not quoting anyone so as to avoid making it seem like I'm directing this at anyone in particular, but I seem to remember a lot of people saying it was unfair to evaluate the Scott Eyre deal until it was over. Now there are people saying that it's unfair to evaluate the Matt Lawton deal in retrospect.

 

It's probably a bad sign if you have to go back and forth on this kind of thing in order to make your gm look competent in the least.

[stitchface]

I think the Lawton deal is irrelevant both in retrospect and at the time. Since he was only going to take ABs away from Murton, it was a bad idea if anything.

[frostwyrm]

I can't say much about the Lawton deal, other that too little, too late.

 

It was a nice effort, but we needed someone in June or July. I will say that Lawton was a guy I was thilled getting when he did finally arrive.

 

Unfortunately, it didn't work out.

 

I thought Lawton was a decent gamble at the time, but he went ice cold after the Cubs got him. Nothing to be done about that. What was really unfortunate and avoidable was that so much time was wasted with Hollandsworth. If the Cubs were going to give up on Dubois after a month of regular play I would have liked that month to be April, after which Hendry should have gone into May looking for a proper LF instead of screwing around with Holla until August. It was all so stupid and so predictable.