I honestly feel a huge trade coming......

[WrigleyinEngland]

If you've read any of my posts you will realise i'm more of a realist than an optimist or a pessimist and that i don't often agree with how the cubs brass choose to spend the $$$. However if this eyre deal goes through and we add another starting pitcher in free agency you have to believe Hendry is collecting spare parts. He already has walker and CPatt a whole load of pitching almost MLB ready and possibly Cedeno and Murton depending. What would be available if he went to the Winter meetings with that list of talent?? I'm willing to bet a fair bit, i definetely smell something big........

[Andy]

WinE, I agree totally. It seems that Hendry is stockpiling assets so he can trade a bunch of minor leaguers. I definitely think that Hendry is making all these smaller moves with a much larger goal in mind.

[rawaction]

Juan Pierre is a big trade?

 

No, I could see a big rip off deal for Abreu. Hendry can't be happy with the likes of Encarnacion or whoever else he's been rumored for. Dunn is gonna cost too much. I think Abreu could come cheaply (i.e. no Pie). It won't happen anytime soon though.

Edited November 17, 2005 by rawaction

[erik316wttn]

I thought I felt a trade coming, too, but it turned out to be gas.

[badger1679666666]

god forbid we actually wait for him to finish the off season, instead of being 2 weeks into it, before we crucify him at the stake.

 

:roll:

 

(not directed at you two above)

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Hendry is stockpiling guys for weeks because of a trade he thinks might happen? It's really risky and just plain stupid.

[goonys evil twin]

god forbid we actually wait for him to finish the off season, instead of being 2 weeks into it, before we crucify him at the stake.

 

:roll:

 

(not directed at you two above)

 

God forbid we actually make the effort to analyze what we've already seen and use that information to make an educated guess that we'll just see more of the same.

[Backtobanks]

I agree with you. I've been saying to all the JH critics that I have faith in him to get the players we need one way or another. Right now, I see Patterson, Walker, Rusch/Williams, Mitre, and Welly as available trade bait. Obviously some of our prospects are also in that group. Other possibilities (depending on who we obtain) are Hairston and Novoa. With all of those possibilities and money to spend, I think more than one big transaction is going to happen.

[Backtobanks]

I agree with you. I've been saying to all the JH critics that I have faith in him to get the players we need one way or another. Right now, I see Patterson, Walker, Rusch/Williams, Mitre, and Welly as available trade bait. Obviously some of our prospects are also in that group. Other possibilities (depending on who we obtain) are Hairston and Novoa. With all of those possibilities and money to spend, I think more than one big transaction is going to happen.

[Backtobanks]

I agree with you. I've been saying to all the JH critics that I have faith in him to get the players we need one way or another. Right now, I see Patterson, Walker, Rusch/Williams, Mitre, and Welly as available trade bait. Obviously some of our prospects are also in that group. Other possibilities (depending on who we obtain) are Hairston and Novoa. With all of those possibilities and money to spend, I think more than one big transaction is going to happen.

[badger1679666666]

god forbid we actually wait for him to finish the off season, instead of being 2 weeks into it, before we crucify him at the stake.

 

:roll:

 

(not directed at you two above)

 

God forbid we actually make the effort to analyze what we've already seen and use that information to make an educated guess that we'll just see more of the same.

 

Educated guess? Seems like an oxymoron with alot of people I've been seeing. Knee-jerk reaction guess is more like it.

 

God Forbid we wait more than 2 FREAKING WEEKS since the offseason started to start rampant crucification.

 

Hell, if our final lineup is

 

Furcal

Perez

Lee

Ramirez

Jones/Encarncaion

Murton

Barrett

Patterson

 

Then I'll be as pissed off as everybody. Hell, I'm alreadly pissed off about the Neifi signing and somewhat, the Rusch Signing. But we've had 2 weeks.

 

Can't we even wait til one major impact signing with some club has occured before making this

 

UNeducated guesses?

 

Hendry has made some EXCELLENT moves in the past, along with some not so excellent moves. I don't think he's an idiot - so let's wait and see what actually happens.

 

I really don't have a problem with speculation, but the crucification of Hendry that is occuring on what might POSSIBLY happen, is idiotic, moronic, short-sighted, and any other negative word I can think of. Discuss away though, I just enjoy being more rational in my approach, at least in November.

 

Come talk to me in February, and I might be frothing at the mouth though in pure Anger.

[RynoRules]

god forbid we actually wait for him to finish the off season, instead of being 2 weeks into it, before we crucify him at the stake.

 

:roll:

 

(not directed at you two above)

 

God forbid we actually make the effort to analyze what we've already seen and use that information to make an educated guess that we'll just see more of the same.

 

Educated guess? Seems like an oxymoron with alot of people I've been seeing. Knee-jerk reaction guess is more like it.

 

God Forbid we wait more than 2 FREAKING WEEKS since the offseason started to start rampant crucification.

 

Hell, if our final lineup is

 

Furcal

Perez

Lee

Ramirez

Jones/Encarncaion

Murton

Barrett

Patterson

 

Then I'll be as pissed off as everybody. Hell, I'm alreadly pissed off about the Neifi signing and somewhat, the Rusch Signing. But we've had 2 weeks.

 

Can't we even wait til one major impact signing with some club has occured before making this

 

UNeducated guesses?

 

Hendry has made some EXCELLENT moves in the past, along with some not so excellent moves. I don't think he's an idiot - so let's wait and see what actually happens.

 

I really don't have a problem with speculation, but the crucification of Hendry that is occuring on what might POSSIBLY happen, is idiotic, moronic, short-sighted, and any other negative word I can think of. Discuss away though, I just enjoy being more rational in my approach, at least in November.

 

Come talk to me in February, and I might be frothing at the mouth though in pure Anger.

 

Agree pretty much with what the above. Its too early to judge an offseason that isn't 25% over.

[goonys evil twin]

I really don't have a problem with speculation, but the crucification of Hendry that is occuring on what might POSSIBLY happen, is idiotic, moronic, short-sighted, and any other negative word I can think of. Discuss away though, I just enjoy being more rational in my approach, at least in November.

 

Come talk to me in February, and I might be frothing at the mouth though in pure Anger.

 

Maybe you just don't like reading what I write and chose to ignore it. Or maybe you just didn't see it.

 

My "crucification" of Hendry is based on what he has done. This team has fallen apart the past couple years, failing to meet expectations, or at least what should have been expectations, by a wide margin. Hendry has had something that very few GM's have had throughout his time here, and that is an ever increasing payroll. Many teams were cutting while the Cubs were going up, and he's been top 5 the whole time. Yet the Cubs just finished off a sub .500 season and don't seem all that concerned about a need for an overhaul. By now I feel safe in saying I know what type of player Hendry likes, and what type of player he's likely to go after. And I reserve the right to rip him for that until he proves to me that his way can win, because so far it hasn't.

[YearofDaCubs]

Yeah, everybody thought a big trade was coming last offseason too after Sosa left. I'm taking the wait and see approach.

[WrigleyinEngland]

badger , i don't see how looking at what is happening at this moment and trying to look at what might happen is' crucifying' anybody. Half the fun of being a baseball person is the offseason and trying to guess what will happen. It's not like i'm on here telling everyone how awful hendry is and that he is about to trade big Z for a bag of nuts. You have to look at these small moves and wonder what is going on. We may have alot of rule V guys so he will need to make moves. I'm also looking ahead to enxt year when both wood and Maddux will be off the books so An AJ burnett type signing would not suprise me at all.

[The Voice of Reason]

god forbid we actually wait for him to finish the off season, instead of being 2 weeks into it, before we crucify him at the stake.

 

:roll:

 

(not directed at you two above)

 

 

Amazing how fast (a little over two years) someone can go from God and Genius (after stealing Aram, Lofton and Lee) to incompetent buffoon. :?

[WrigleyinEngland]

Yearofda, I know what your saying about the wait and see approach but Hendry was almost disabled by the sosa money. We now have huge financial flexibility as well as the salaries which we will lose next off season. [/b][/i][/u]

[CubfaninCA]

god forbid we actually wait for him to finish the off season, instead of being 2 weeks into it, before we crucify him at the stake.

 

:roll:

 

(not directed at you two above)

 

God forbid we actually make the effort to analyze what we've already seen and use that information to make an educated guess that we'll just see more of the same.

 

An educated guess takes into consideration the deals to get Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, Murton, Nomar and Lawton. With all the payroll & talent available this offseason, he'll most likely make a big move.

[YearofDaCubs]

Yearofda, I know what your saying about the wait and see approach but Hendry was almost disabled by the sosa money. We now have huge financial flexibility as well as the salaries which we will lose next off season. [/b][/i][/u]

Yes, and with the financial fexibility we sign Perez, Rusch, and Eyre to blaoted and ridiculous contracts. I have lost faith in the man and it all stems in 2004 when he didnt trade for a closer when Hawkins was blowing saves left and right.

[ConstableRabbit]

god forbid we actually wait for him to finish the off season, instead of being 2 weeks into it, before we crucify him at the stake.

 

:roll:

 

(not directed at you two above)

 

Yep.

 

I view these boards every day, and have for months even before I joined, and I've gotta say that there's been a lot of conclusion-jumping going on around here lately. (And that's not to say that I'm completely exempt from doing it either!) Naturally, during an offseason following a few very disappointing seasons, some emotions are going to be running high, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. If you want to say Hendry sucks and is a moron, that's fine, but he's the same Hendry who has come through in the past and until the offseason is over, it'll be very hard pass true judgement upon him. If you hate him, that's completely fine, (this is a place for people to share their opinions after all), but when he makes a great deal to help our team, don't jump on his bandwagon (or bandWGN) all of a sudden.

 

This is like the situation a team's manager faces after a game ends on a suicide squeeze:

The manager sends the runner on 3rd for a game-winning suicide squeeze, but when the runner is called out, the media and fans criticize the manager for calling for such a risky move. However, had the move been successful, people would've been praising his name and talking about how great of a manager he was.

 

We don't know the whole of Hendry's moves. And by assuming that the moves he's made, the comments he's stated, are to be taken 100% at face value, yeah, he's a moron. But for just one second, consider that there's some strategy in what he's doing. There's a reason he's a general manager for a major league ballclub - odds are, he knows what he's doing.

 

If not, we can rag on him, but let's just see if there's some sort of master plan he's working on before shooting him down.

[goonys evil twin]

god forbid we actually wait for him to finish the off season, instead of being 2 weeks into it, before we crucify him at the stake.

 

:roll:

 

(not directed at you two above)

 

God forbid we actually make the effort to analyze what we've already seen and use that information to make an educated guess that we'll just see more of the same.

 

An educated guess takes into consideration the deals to get Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, Murton, Nomar and Lawton. With all the payroll & talent available this offseason, he'll most likely make a big move.

 

I don't care about big, I care about good.

 

This team has gotten worse, and Hendry hasn't shown any sort of urgency to fix the biggest problems.

[goonys evil twin]

If not, we can rag on him, but let's just see if there's some sort of master plan he's working on before shooting him down.

 

He's been the GM for 3 years, and was ASST GM for a couple years before that, reportedly the force behind most of the moves officially signed off on by Andy. Hendry's fingerprints are all over this team already. This isn't his first offseason. This isn't a case of jumping to conclusions. I've seen the results of Hendry's work to date, and it's entirely unimpressive, to say the least.

 

This isn't anything like jumping on a manager for one loss.

[DesMoinesCub]

All right, I am a Hendry backer. Hendry's strength is making trades for the most part. I am sure someone will throw a trade back at me to prove I am wrong, but so be it. I am not worried yet that he has shown no interest in Giles. I am not worried that he has offered (insert avg. reliever here) so much money.

 

I will base my judgement of JH in March when the season is getting ready to begin. In my opinion, if he has not made the club better by then, he could start hearing grumblings from me.

 

Hendry has gotten four legitimate starters via trade with Barrett, Lee, Ramirez, and Murton. I am guessing he has a few things on the table. Pierre, although not everyone's top choice, would be a starter on any big league team, now if that team wins or not is another story.

 

I will wait and save my opinion of Hendry until March.

[YearofDaCubs]

god forbid we actually wait for him to finish the off season, instead of being 2 weeks into it, before we crucify him at the stake.

 

:roll:

 

(not directed at you two above)

 

Yep.

 

I view these boards every day, and have for months even before I joined, and I've gotta say that there's been a lot of conclusion-jumping going on around here lately. (And that's not to say that I'm completely exempt from doing it either!) Naturally, during an offseason following a few very disappointing seasons, some emotions are going to be running high, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. If you want to say Hendry sucks and is a moron, that's fine, but he's the same Hendry who has come through in the past and until the offseason is over, it'll be very hard pass true judgement upon him. If you hate him, that's completely fine, (this is a place for people to share their opinions after all), but when he makes a great deal to help our team, don't jump on his bandwagon (or bandWGN) all of a sudden.

 

This is like the situation a team's manager faces after a game ends on a suicide squeeze:

The manager sends the runner on 3rd for a game-winning suicide squeeze, but when the runner is called out, the media and fans criticize the manager for calling for such a risky move. However, had the move been successful, people would've been praising his name and talking about how great of a manager he was.

 

We don't know the whole of Hendry's moves. And by assuming that the moves he's made, the comments he's stated, are to be taken 100% at face value, yeah, he's a moron. But for just one second, consider that there's some strategy in what he's doing. There's a reason he's a general manager for a major league ballclub - odds are, he knows what he's doing.

 

If not, we can rag on him, but let's just see if there's some sort of master plan he's working on before shooting him down.

You mean the Hendry who only came through in 2003? Last year we were 4th in our division. In 2004 we choked and a case could be made that the only reason we made it to the playoffs in 2003 was because the Cards and Astros faultered at the end. No I dont have that much faith in Hendry and last time he did something was 3 years ago. If history is any indicator of future success I would have to say that Hendry and the 100mil payroll does not know what he's doing.

[CubfaninCA]

Yeah, everybody thought a big trade was coming last offseason too after Sosa left. I'm taking the wait and see approach.

 

What big trade was that?? The Cubs had their hands tied.... I vaguely recall most hoping that the Cubs would be able to save some money dealing Sosa, so the Cubs could get Beltran or Drew. Also, there was hope that Floyd would be dealt for Sosa. Sosa just had no market appeal tho.