Bruce Levine Reports on Hendry's Other Targets 11/11/05

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Are you going to insist that the Reds provide a negotiating window for you to sign Dunn to a long term deal?

 

The cost in talent just went up.

 

Are you going to make the trade contingent on Dunn signing such a deal?

 

Good luck.

 

Even without a long term deal, you have Dunn for two more seasons.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

..... To say anyone but Pie and Hill and Prior and Zambrano bascially kills any chance for a deal. Who does that leave that would truly interest the Reds more than what they could get elsewhere?

 

Angel Guzman?

 

I think they would want some talent to go with Guzman considering his injury risk. Guzman and Hill might get it done, though.

[JeffH]

Even without a long term deal, you have Dunn for two more seasons.

 

That's great, but I'm not going to trade Felix Pie for that.

 

I might be talked into Rich Hill, but I'd rather not.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Are you going to insist that the Reds provide a negotiating window for you to sign Dunn to a long term deal?

 

The cost in talent just went up.

 

Are you going to make the trade contingent on Dunn signing such a deal?

 

Good luck.

 

Even without a long term deal, you have Dunn for two more seasons.

 

isn't Dunn set to go through arbitration shortly? we could offer a multi-year extension above what he would receive in arbitration.

[mlarner]

I may be giving Hendry too much credit here or reading too much into the situation, but is it possible that he's doing a little posturing for the Giles sweepstakes? I mean he's obviously been so public about his desire for Furcal, that maybe he's taking a different track here? We know there's been a couple of national stories about the Cubs being interested in Giles (I can only remember Gammons off the top of my head but seems like there was another) and maybe he's trying to send a message to the Giles camp that hey, there are other options out there, even in this depressed FA year. I think with the lack of FA alternatives, talking up trades (especially for a guy in Dunn who represents what EVERYONE seems to realize the Cubs need in OBP) is about the only bargaining chip the Cubs have right now. Again, maybe reading too much into it and its just Hendry going after guys he's liked all the time, but it still keeps the Giles hopes alive for another day at the least!

[E.J.]

..... To say anyone but Pie and Hill and Prior and Zambrano bascially kills any chance for a deal. Who does that leave that would truly interest the Reds more than what they could get elsewhere?

 

Angel Guzman?

 

I think they would want some talent to go with Guzman considering his injury risk. Guzman and Hill might get it done, though.

 

I'd give the Reds Guzman and Hill for Dunn and not think twice about it.

[CubinNY]

..... To say anyone but Pie and Hill and Prior and Zambrano bascially kills any chance for a deal. Who does that leave that would truly interest the Reds more than what they could get elsewhere?

 

Angel Guzman?

 

I think they would want some talent to go with Guzman considering his injury risk. Guzman and Hill might get it done, though.

 

I'd give the Reds Guzman and Hill for Dunn and not think twice about it.

 

I'd give them Guzman, Hill, and Pie. But before I'd do that I'd make sure I could lock Dunn up at least until 2010.

[CuseCubFan69]

I may be giving Hendry too much credit here or reading too much into the situation, but is it possible that he's doing a little posturing for the Giles sweepstakes? I mean he's obviously been so public about his desire for Furcal, that maybe he's taking a different track here? We know there's been a couple of national stories about the Cubs being interested in Giles (I can only remember Gammons off the top of my head but seems like there was another) and maybe he's trying to send a message to the Giles camp that hey, there are other options out there, even in this depressed FA year. I think with the lack of FA alternatives, talking up trades (especially for a guy in Dunn who represents what EVERYONE seems to realize the Cubs need in OBP) is about the only bargaining chip the Cubs have right now. Again, maybe reading too much into it and its just Hendry going after guys he's liked all the time, but it still keeps the Giles hopes alive for another day at the least!

 

Good point. I don't care how Hendry does it as long as the Cubs get an impact bat for the OF.

[BigbadB]

I think Milton could be spun to San Diego (Peavy, Eaton, Park, Williams, Astacio, Stauffer) are all righties. The Padres want to improve pitching as well. They might bring Wells back.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Even without a long term deal, you have Dunn for two more seasons.

 

That's great, but I'm not going to trade Felix Pie for that.

 

I might be talked into Rich Hill, but I'd rather not.

 

I usually value the farm guys as well, but I'd rather be a World Series contender for the next two years and not have to worry about the development of someone who isn't among the top 25 prospects in baseball.

[fromthestretch]

Why would we get Kearns? Dusty and Hendry value left handed bats. We'd only have 2 switch hitters and no true lefties with Neifi and Furcal (assuming CPat is traded).

 

I'm willing to be there is more interest in Dunn than Kearns (from Hendry at least) based solely on that.

 

We got rid of Burnitz and we need a replacement for his lefty power.

 

Yet another reason why the Cubs shouldn't get rid of Walker.

[badgercub]

Even without a long term deal, you have Dunn for two more seasons.

 

That's great, but I'm not going to trade Felix Pie for that.

 

I might be talked into Rich Hill, but I'd rather not.

 

I usually value the farm guys as well, but I'd rather be a World Series contender for the next two years and not have to worry about the development of someone who isn't among the top 25 prospects in baseball.

 

I agree, you have to give something to get something. And getting 2 years of Dunn, possibly longer, while giving up an unknown quantity (who til this point hasn't really shown any plate discipline) is well worth the risk. The Cubs should have the payroll going forward where we should never really see prolonged stretches of rebuilding

[BigbadB]

Geoff Jenkins could possibly be available. The Brewers want to promote Corey Hart.

[Andy]

I may be giving Hendry too much credit here or reading too much into the situation, but is it possible that he's doing a little posturing for the Giles sweepstakes? I mean he's obviously been so public about his desire for Furcal, that maybe he's taking a different track here? We know there's been a couple of national stories about the Cubs being interested in Giles (I can only remember Gammons off the top of my head but seems like there was another) and maybe he's trying to send a message to the Giles camp that hey, there are other options out there, even in this depressed FA year. I think with the lack of FA alternatives, talking up trades (especially for a guy in Dunn who represents what EVERYONE seems to realize the Cubs need in OBP) is about the only bargaining chip the Cubs have right now. Again, maybe reading too much into it and its just Hendry going after guys he's liked all the time, but it still keeps the Giles hopes alive for another day at the least!

That's a very valid point, considering up to this point we'd never heard anything about the Cubs' possible interest in Adam Dunn and actually we were sure that he'd never be a Cub because he doesn't have the right "skill set" for Hendry. This could all be a giant ploy, which I'd applaud if it got us Giles for less money.

[fromthestretch]

I think Milton could be spun to San Diego (Peavy, Eaton, Park, Williams, Astacio, Stauffer) are all righties. The Padres want to improve pitching as well. They might bring Wells back.

 

I'd even be willing to eat half his salary if it will help keep him off the Cubs roster.

 

I really, really, really don't want Milton to set foot on the Wrigley field mound unless it's as a visiting pitcher or part of a tour group.

[rocket]

Adam Dunn last season put up a higher OPS than Felix Pie will ever put up in his career, minors or majors.

 

Of course you get rid of Pie for Dunn.

[hawkeyecub]

Adam Dunn last season put up a higher OPS than Felix Pie will ever put up in his career, minors or majors.

 

Of course you get rid of Pie for Dunn.

 

You also have to consider that Pie can play CF very well, has a different role in the lineup and will cost a fraction of the price for the next 5 years.

 

I agree with the general point, but I don't think it makes sense to look at it that simply. Morgan Ensberg put up a better OPS than Adam Dunn last year, but I don't think I would trade Pie for him.

[DesMoinesCub]

I am always in the belief that you trade the future for right now. If this means we have to give up Pie (who I would really like to keep) to get Dunn, then so be it.

 

However, I don't feel Pie would HAVE to be included. I think a combination of pitchers would be enough.

 

Hill-Williams-another minor league arm (preferably Rule V)

and possibly a minor league position player (Sing???)

 

If we have to take on Milton's contract, then pull a player off.

 

I agree, we do everything we can to get a player like Dunn.

 

Kearns, not so much.

 

Where does this leave Murton. I think he could be a Ryne Sandberg type hitter in the 2 spot. I could easily see him hitting in the 300's with 20 HR's.

 

I know a lot of people are not sure about Murton's D, but I wouldn't mind seeing him in RF with or without a canon for an arm.

[CuseCubFan69]

Man, this is so much more fun than talking about Burnitz or Sanders!!!

[rocket]

Adam Dunn last season put up a higher OPS than Felix Pie will ever put up in his career, minors or majors.

 

Of course you get rid of Pie for Dunn.

 

You also have to consider that Pie can play CF very well, has a different role in the lineup and will cost a fraction of the price for the next 5 years.

 

I agree with the general point, but I don't think it makes sense to look at it that simply. Morgan Ensberg put up a better OPS than Adam Dunn last year, but I don't think I would trade Pie for him.

 

Ensberg also isn't 26 years old. And 3B isn't a weak position for us either.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Adam Dunn last season put up a higher OPS than Felix Pie will ever put up in his career, minors or majors.

 

Of course you get rid of Pie for Dunn.

 

You also have to consider that Pie can play CF very well, has a different role in the lineup and will cost a fraction of the price for the next 5 years.

 

I agree with the general point, but I don't think it makes sense to look at it that simply. Morgan Ensberg put up a better OPS than Adam Dunn last year, but I don't think I would trade Pie for him.

 

how many consistent .900 OPS guys are there? Dunn is also younger than Ensberg.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Man, this is so much more fun than talking about Burnitz or Sanders!!!

 

we're in denial. :lol:

[hawkeyecub]

I'm well aware of that.

Chad Tracy put up a .912 OPS, is only 25 years old and has played over 50 games in the outfield. Would you trade Pie for him?

[USSoccer]

I think you could possibly talk the Reds into:

 

Williams, Harvey, Sing and Hill

 

for

 

Dunn

 

But they are going to want Pie. And I can't blame them.

[CuseCubFan69]

Man, this is so much more fun than talking about Burnitz or Sanders!!!

 

we're in denial. :lol:

 

It's what we Cub fans do best!

 

To get quality you have to trade quality. Whoever gets Dunn is going to give up some serious talent to get him as Vance pointed out. Hopefully the Cubs have some the the players that the Reds would want to make them move Dunn to the Cubs.