Should we trade Aramis Ramirez?

[David]

BTW, you know that big button three spots down from the 'L' key? Use it, please.

???

You have a button below your alt key?

 

Down to the right.. :lol: :wink:

[RynoRules]

He earned his contract on the basis of a dominant performance in the 03' playoffs. Its a shame that he has been injured pretty much ever since, but I can live with that. I think that's pretty unappreciative of you, considering he had the biggest hand in bringing the Cubs their first playoff victory since the end of WW II.

[katway]

Aramis is our first consistent power/ribi/average 3rd baseman in his prime since Ron Santo. There's no way you let that go. It took the Cubs 30 years to find.

 

If Aramis works on his legs this offseason so thaty he isn't taken out by groin pulls, etc., there is no telling how productive he can be...

 

We can retain Aramis and trade other players to get better.

[nt3d]

This Cubs team has many holes. The biggest holes I see are the defense, a consistent offense, and an extra starting pitcher. The first thing I propose to do is trade Aramis Ramirez. With this we have two options. One trade him to the Red Sox straight up for Manny Ramirez. The second, would be a three way deal. The Cubs would get Torri Hunter, the Angels Aramis Ramirez, and the twins would get Corey Patterson and prospects from the Angels. No matter which trade we would make we would resign Nomar to play third base. If it is to the Red Sox the cubs will need to sign a centerfielder who will be here for the year until Pie is ready. This player should be Kenny Lofton and if we can’t get him you play Pie. If it is the Hunter trade we need to sign a corner outfielder. The options are pretty slim. You have Reggie Sanders, Jacque Jones, Juan Encarnacion or Johnny Damon. I’d go with Encarnacion or Damon (Damon obviously my first choice). So we have two potential lineups. If the Red Sox deal you have Lofton CF, Walker 2B, Lee 1B, Manny LF, Nomar 3B, Murton RF, Barret C, Cedeno SS. If it is the three way deal you have Damon LF, Walker 2B, Nomar 3B, Lee 1B, Hunter CF, Murton RF, Barrett C, Cedeno SS. If you don’t get Damon you bat Cedeno first and put Encarnacion 7 or 8. The other option of all of these is to not trade Aramis. If you don’t trade Aramis there is a completely different situation. I think you would need to sign Lofton to play center and sign either Nomar or Reggie Sanders to play one of the corner outfield spots. Preferably I’d sign Nomar because I believe he belongs in Chicago and I think he will be a pretty good defensive outfielder. He has a good arm and he has the speed to cover ground in the field. In this scenario the lineup would be Lofton CF, Walker 2B, Nomar LF, Lee 1B, Ramirez 3B, Murton RF, Barrett C, and Cedeno SS. I think any of these potential lineups would be more consistent than our lineup was last year. Our defense in the Torri Hunter trade will be much improved and the offense will be most improved. This may be the best case scenario for our lineup. If we don’t make a trade I think our offense will naturally just be better because we will have a proven leadoff hitter in our lineup meaning Lee, Nomar, and Aramis will have more chances to drive in runs.

When it comes to the pitching staff I say we keep everyone. For the rotation we need 6 pitchers. I think we need to go out and sign a solid number three starter. The options are Jarrod Washburn, Jeff Weaver, and Matt Morris. I think the one who would fit our team the best would be Jarrod Washburn. But any of the three would be good. I think we could get Washburn at the cheapest also probably about 7 million a year. Our Rotation would be Zambrano, Prior, Washburn, Wood, and Maddux. You would have Rusch in the bullpen but with our injury history you will assume he will end up starting at some point. Our Bullpen would pretty much stay the same. I think we need to sign a setup man and that is it. I think we should sign either Octavio Dotel or Paul Quantrill. Dotel is my preference because we know he can be dominant. He did have surgery this past season but I think he is worth the risk. Just like Dempster was two years ago. Our bullpen would then be Dempster, Dotel, Williamson, Ohman, Wuertz, and Rusch. You have Novoa and Jerome Williams if needed also.

When it comes to our bench we resign Nefi Perez and Jose Macias. Our bench would then be Perez, Macias, Patterson/Pie, Hairston, Blanco, and Ben Grieve. You know with the way Dusty is everyone will get some playing time so there is no need to worry that Pie will regress in his time up here. With any of these lineups the Cubs payroll will be right around 95 million, which would be about the same as it was this year.

This, of course, is just one Cubs fan’s opinion; however, I truly do believe this would work. I think it may be time for the Cubs to buy a championship, just like the Marlins did in 1997.

 

Aram is just to good to trade. He about to enter his prime, and I think in a year or two, we will be having the Pujols vs. Ramirez debate between Cards and Cubs fans. Had he not got hurt he would have been a .300 40 120 guy this season.

[UMFan83]

With regards to Walker in Left Field:

 

Walker is valuable because he puts up good numbers for a second baseman at his price.

 

Move him to left field, and while he is still cheap, he has severely lacking numbers from a corner OF. Especially when your other OFs could be Corey Patterson and Matt Murton.

 

I think the same even goes for Nomar, who even though he showed he still has power in August and September, can't be counted on to put up the 30 HR /.900 OPS numbers that should be expected from one of your corner OFs.

[NoDak]

jmajew, I think you make a couple of simple errors in your analysis:

 

1. Offense is, over all, enormously more valuable than defense. The difference between the best offensive 3rd baseman and the worst on offense is a lot greater than the difference between the best and worst defensive 3rd basemen. While Aramis is certainly not going to win any Gold Gloves (I think he could get the iron glove for some of his plays :wink: ) the only 3rd baseman in the NL I would want to consider offensively would be Rolen or Ensberg.

 

2. Players ENTERING their prime are generally better signings than players LEAVING their primes. Believe it or not, we got quite a bargain in Aramis Ramirez. While there are certain exceptions (most of them famous exceptions) most players will have their best seasons between the ages of 27-32 +/- 2 years. Most of the players I have seen you list are guys like Hunter (age 30), Garciaparra (32), Manny Ramirez (how this will help the defense is beyond me!--age 34), Soriano (age 30) are in the midst of or likely soon leaving their prime...There are some exceptions and I think most people on here arguing to acquire Brian

Giles believe he will be one...it is usually a tempting prospect but a bad decision to acquire players in their mid-upper 30's, even lower 30's can be risky. Especially when you a have a player that has HUGE production and is just ENTERING what is likely to be their prime.

 

A cautionary tale in trading a young "unproven" player or two for a "proven" veteran is the Mulder-Haren/Barton/Calero. I believe that Haren's production has matched Mulder's at a FRACTION of the cost and he is young enough that he could very likely outdo what Mulder will over the next 3-5 seasons (and won't be eligible to be an unrestricted free agent for a couple of years). Put on top of that the inclusion of Daric Barton and you have an old fashioned "steal."

 

Sidelight: I remember reading on baseballthinkfactory.com transaction oracle they said that the Nomar trade was good for CHC until you factor in Matt Murton and then it became a boon for CHC. So far that acquisition worked out pretty well.

[NorthsideAvenger]

All Kerry is good for, is memories of the 20 K game.

 

Or his 2001 season where he pitched nearly 200 innings with a 12-6 record that should have been more like 16-4 with any run support.

 

Or his 2002 season where he pitched over 200 innings and should have been a 15 game winner with any run support.

 

Or his 2003 season where he pitched over 200 innings and should have been a 15 game winner with any run support.

 

Or the 2003 NLDS where he owned Atlanta.

 

As for the 2003 NLCS, Dusty riding him the whole year (as he did prior)

two of the highest pc/game may have had an effect on the burnout - but he certainly didn't pitch his best there i'll give you that.

 

OR the fact that he has some of the filthiest stuff in the majors.

 

But I guess we can go on saying he worthless other than 20 K's in 1998. It makes more sense.

 

 

Blah, blah, blah blah blah. Kerry Wood has DONE nothing in the majors but tantalize baseball with his enormious gift. But like Todd Van Poppel, Brien Taylor, Adam Johnson, etc....Kerry is a million dollar arm, .10 cent brain.

 

 

BTW; what is that former poster child of the HYPED UP YANKEE PROSPECT Brien Taylor doing know? Doe anybody know?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

All Kerry is good for, is memories of the 20 K game.

 

Or his 2001 season where he pitched nearly 200 innings with a 12-6 record that should have been more like 16-4 with any run support.

 

Or his 2002 season where he pitched over 200 innings and should have been a 15 game winner with any run support.

 

Or his 2003 season where he pitched over 200 innings and should have been a 15 game winner with any run support.

 

Or the 2003 NLDS where he owned Atlanta.

 

As for the 2003 NLCS, Dusty riding him the whole year (as he did prior)

two of the highest pc/game may have had an effect on the burnout - but he certainly didn't pitch his best there i'll give you that.

 

OR the fact that he has some of the filthiest stuff in the majors.

 

But I guess we can go on saying he worthless other than 20 K's in 1998. It makes more sense.

 

 

Blah, blah, blah blah blah. Kerry Wood has DONE nothing in the majors but tantalize baseball with his enormious gift. But like Todd Van Poppel, Brien Taylor, Adam Johnson, etc....Kerry is a million dollar arm, .10 cent brain.

 

I don't know how to nicely say this, but what you're saying is completely and unequivically incorrect. Wood has done plenty, his problem has been staying healthy. That problem has nothing to do with some mental deficiency(million dollar arm, 10 cent head is one of my most hated cliches), and there's really no evidence to support Wood being a "stupid" pitcher.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

Blah, blah, blah blah blah. Kerry Wood has DONE nothing in the majors but tantalize baseball with his enormious gift. But like Todd Van Poppel, Brien Taylor, Adam Johnson, etc....Kerry is a million dollar arm, .10 cent brain.

 

 

BTW; what is that former poster child of the HYPED UP YANKEE PROSPECT Brien Taylor doing know? Doe anybody know?

 

:lmao: no..wait.... :lmao: uhm...forget it. :lmao:

[NorthsideAvenger]

All Kerry is good for, is memories of the 20 K game.

 

Or his 2001 season where he pitched nearly 200 innings with a 12-6 record that should have been more like 16-4 with any run support.

 

Or his 2002 season where he pitched over 200 innings and should have been a 15 game winner with any run support.

 

Or his 2003 season where he pitched over 200 innings and should have been a 15 game winner with any run support.

 

Or the 2003 NLDS where he owned Atlanta.

 

As for the 2003 NLCS, Dusty riding him the whole year (as he did prior)

two of the highest pc/game may have had an effect on the burnout - but he certainly didn't pitch his best there i'll give you that.

 

OR the fact that he has some of the filthiest stuff in the majors.

 

But I guess we can go on saying he worthless other than 20 K's in 1998. It makes more sense.

 

 

Blah, blah, blah blah blah. Kerry Wood has DONE nothing in the majors but tantalize baseball with his enormious gift. But like Todd Van Poppel, Brien Taylor, Adam Johnson, etc....Kerry is a million dollar arm, .10 cent brain.

 

I don't know how to nicely say this, but what you're saying is completely and unequivically incorrect. Wood has done plenty, his problem has been staying healthy. That problem has nothing to do with some mental deficiency(million dollar arm, 10 cent head is one of my most hated cliches), and there's really no evidence to support Wood being a "stupid" pitcher.

 

And there is no evidence to support Wood being a smart pitcher, either. Besides, I didn't mean to imply that KW was a stupid pitcher, I meant that "legandary" "light goes off" won't ever apply to KW. I love the ability KW has shown, but I am tired of waiting for his consistancy. Add in the fact that Z has find consistancy at a younger age then Kerry, is disturbing for Wood. And if KW doesn't win atleast 15 games or more in 2006, then it's time to say good-bye, to maybe the most overrated Cubs prospect since Jerome Walton. That's alot pressure, I know, but that is how I see it.

[badger1679666666]

All Kerry is good for, is memories of the 20 K game.

 

Or his 2001 season where he pitched nearly 200 innings with a 12-6 record that should have been more like 16-4 with any run support.

 

Or his 2002 season where he pitched over 200 innings and should have been a 15 game winner with any run support.

 

Or his 2003 season where he pitched over 200 innings and should have been a 15 game winner with any run support.

 

Or the 2003 NLDS where he owned Atlanta.

 

As for the 2003 NLCS, Dusty riding him the whole year (as he did prior)

two of the highest pc/game may have had an effect on the burnout - but he certainly didn't pitch his best there i'll give you that.

 

OR the fact that he has some of the filthiest stuff in the majors.

 

But I guess we can go on saying he worthless other than 20 K's in 1998. It makes more sense.

 

 

Blah, blah, blah blah blah. Kerry Wood has DONE nothing in the majors but tantalize baseball with his enormious gift. But like Todd Van Poppel, Brien Taylor, Adam Johnson, etc....Kerry is a million dollar arm, .10 cent brain.

 

I don't know how to nicely say this, but what you're saying is completely and unequivically incorrect. Wood has done plenty, his problem has been staying healthy. That problem has nothing to do with some mental deficiency(million dollar arm, 10 cent head is one of my most hated cliches), and there's really no evidence to support Wood being a "stupid" pitcher.

 

And there is no evidence to support Wood being a smart pitcher, either. Besides, I didn't mean to imply that KW was a stupid pitcher, I meant that "legandary" "light goes off" won't ever apply to KW. I love the ability KW has shown, but I am tired of waiting for his consistancy. Add in the fact that Z has find consistancy at a younger age then Kerry, is disturbing for Wood. And if KW doesn't win atleast 15 games or more in 2006, then it's time to say good-bye, to maybe the most overrated Cubs prospect since Jerome Walton. That's alot pressure, I know, but that is how I see it.

 

[begin rant]

 

I can't take it. I just can't take it. How many pitchers have found consistency as quick as Z. How many with injuries have? What were Nolan Ryan's and Randy Johnson's careers like through the age of 27? See your rationale they should have been gone.

 

:roll: :roll:

 

Oh and I really can't take it anymore:

 

Wins are the most baseless stats by which to judge a starting pitcher because they are team influenced.

 

Yes that was written with emphasis so people stop saying, so and so only won 10 games so they suck. It really is the dumbest thing to base a pitcher's stuff/season on.. i.e. look at Clemens this year. I have NO idea why people continue to use wins as THE stat by which to judge if a pitcher had a good/bad year.

 

ERA

BAA

WHIP

K/9

HR/9

BB/9

K/BB

and even innings pitched

 

are all MORE indicative factors of how good a pitcher is. NOT WINS.

 

[/end rant]

[NorthsideAvenger]

All Kerry is good for, is memories of the 20 K game.

 

Or his 2001 season where he pitched nearly 200 innings with a 12-6 record that should have been more like 16-4 with any run support.

 

Or his 2002 season where he pitched over 200 innings and should have been a 15 game winner with any run support.

 

Or his 2003 season where he pitched over 200 innings and should have been a 15 game winner with any run support.

 

Or the 2003 NLDS where he owned Atlanta.

 

As for the 2003 NLCS, Dusty riding him the whole year (as he did prior)

two of the highest pc/game may have had an effect on the burnout - but he certainly didn't pitch his best there i'll give you that.

 

OR the fact that he has some of the filthiest stuff in the majors.

 

But I guess we can go on saying he worthless other than 20 K's in 1998. It makes more sense.

 

 

Blah, blah, blah blah blah. Kerry Wood has DONE nothing in the majors but tantalize baseball with his enormious gift. But like Todd Van Poppel, Brien Taylor, Adam Johnson, etc....Kerry is a million dollar arm, .10 cent brain.

 

I don't know how to nicely say this, but what you're saying is completely and unequivically incorrect. Wood has done plenty, his problem has been staying healthy. That problem has nothing to do with some mental deficiency(million dollar arm, 10 cent head is one of my most hated cliches), and there's really no evidence to support Wood being a "stupid" pitcher.

 

And there is no evidence to support Wood being a smart pitcher, either. Besides, I didn't mean to imply that KW was a stupid pitcher, I meant that "legandary" "light goes off" won't ever apply to KW. I love the ability KW has shown, but I am tired of waiting for his consistancy. Add in the fact that Z has find consistancy at a younger age then Kerry, is disturbing for Wood. And if KW doesn't win atleast 15 games or more in 2006, then it's time to say good-bye, to maybe the most overrated Cubs prospect since Jerome Walton. That's alot pressure, I know, but that is how I see it.

 

[begin rant]

 

I can't take it. I just can't take it. How many pitchers have found consistency as quick as Z. How many with injuries have? What were Nolan Ryan's and Randy Johnson's careers like through the age of 27? See your rationale they should have been gone.

 

:roll: :roll:

 

Oh and I really can't take it anymore:

 

Wins are the most baseless stats by which to judge a starting pitcher because they are team influenced.

 

Yes that was written with emphasis so people stop saying, so and so only won 10 games so they suck. It really is the dumbest thing to base a pitcher's stuff/season on.. i.e. look at Clemens this year. I have NO idea why people continue to use wins as THE stat by which to judge if a pitcher had a good/bad year.

 

ERA

BAA

WHIP

K/9

HR/9

BB/9

K/BB

and even innings pitched

 

are all MORE indicative factors of how good a pitcher is. NOT WINS.

 

[/end rant]

 

Fact it...W/L records are use to determine a pitcher's worth, right or wrong. The fact is....while Kerry is a tantalizing talent, he has not even come CLOSE to reaching his potential (ugh), and for somebody making close to $11 million dollars, I think the Cubs are in the right to demand more then 14 wins in a season, and not spend half the season in a trainer's room, don't you?

 

I want consistancy from KW. He has been in the league too long now, to not have consistancy, and that is the bottomline.

[Peoriaman]

no.

[XZero771679666304]

All Kerry is good for, is memories of the 20 K game.

 

Or his 2001 season where he pitched nearly 200 innings with a 12-6 record that should have been more like 16-4 with any run support.

 

Or his 2002 season where he pitched over 200 innings and should have been a 15 game winner with any run support.

 

Or his 2003 season where he pitched over 200 innings and should have been a 15 game winner with any run support.

 

Or the 2003 NLDS where he owned Atlanta.

 

As for the 2003 NLCS, Dusty riding him the whole year (as he did prior)

two of the highest pc/game may have had an effect on the burnout - but he certainly didn't pitch his best there i'll give you that.

 

OR the fact that he has some of the filthiest stuff in the majors.

 

But I guess we can go on saying he worthless other than 20 K's in 1998. It makes more sense.

 

 

Blah, blah, blah blah blah. Kerry Wood has DONE nothing in the majors but tantalize baseball with his enormious gift. But like Todd Van Poppel, Brien Taylor, Adam Johnson, etc....Kerry is a million dollar arm, .10 cent brain.

 

I don't know how to nicely say this, but what you're saying is completely and unequivically incorrect. Wood has done plenty, his problem has been staying healthy. That problem has nothing to do with some mental deficiency(million dollar arm, 10 cent head is one of my most hated cliches), and there's really no evidence to support Wood being a "stupid" pitcher.

 

And there is no evidence to support Wood being a smart pitcher, either. Besides, I didn't mean to imply that KW was a stupid pitcher, I meant that "legandary" "light goes off" won't ever apply to KW. I love the ability KW has shown, but I am tired of waiting for his consistancy. Add in the fact that Z has find consistancy at a younger age then Kerry, is disturbing for Wood. And if KW doesn't win atleast 15 games or more in 2006, then it's time to say good-bye, to maybe the most overrated Cubs prospect since Jerome Walton. That's alot pressure, I know, but that is how I see it.

 

[begin rant]

 

I can't take it. I just can't take it. How many pitchers have found consistency as quick as Z. How many with injuries have? What were Nolan Ryan's and Randy Johnson's careers like through the age of 27? See your rationale they should have been gone.

 

:roll: :roll:

 

Oh and I really can't take it anymore:

 

Wins are the most baseless stats by which to judge a starting pitcher because they are team influenced.

 

Yes that was written with emphasis so people stop saying, so and so only won 10 games so they suck. It really is the dumbest thing to base a pitcher's stuff/season on.. i.e. look at Clemens this year. I have NO idea why people continue to use wins as THE stat by which to judge if a pitcher had a good/bad year.

 

ERA

BAA

WHIP

K/9

HR/9

BB/9

K/BB

and even innings pitched

 

are all MORE indicative factors of how good a pitcher is. NOT WINS.

 

[/end rant]

 

Fact it...W/L records are use to determine a pitcher's worth, right or wrong. The fact is....while Kerry is a tantalizing talent, he has not even come CLOSE to reaching his potential (ugh), and for somebody making close to $11 million dollars, I think the Cubs are in the right to demand more then 14 wins in a season, and not spend half the season in a trainer's room, don't you?

 

I want consistancy from KW. He has been in the league too long now, to not have consistancy, and that is the bottomline.

 

Kerry realized his talent pretty well in 2003. Just because he didn't win 20 games doesn't take away from that. He should have won 20+ that year, and it's not his fault he didn't.

 

Wins are not the best indicator of a pitcher's performance, and more and more people are starting to realize that. If the first thing a person looks at when evaluating a SP is wins, they are a fool.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

And there is no evidence to support Wood being a smart pitcher, either. Besides, I didn't mean to imply that KW was a stupid pitcher, I meant that "legandary" "light goes off" won't ever apply to KW. I love the ability KW has shown, but I am tired of waiting for his consistancy. Add in the fact that Z has find consistancy at a younger age then Kerry, is disturbing for Wood. And if KW doesn't win atleast 15 games or more in 2006, then it's time to say good-bye, to maybe the most overrated Cubs prospect since Jerome Walton. That's alot pressure, I know, but that is how I see it.

 

I'm glad we set winning as the measure of his effectiveness since it's probably the worst possible metric to measure pitcher performance.

[SouthSideRyan]

Active SPs with better career ERA+ than Kerry Wood (minimum 1000 IP): 18

 

On that list you have Derek Lowe who accumulated a substantial amount of that ERA+ as a reliever.

 

You have 4 of the greatest pitchers of all time (Pedro, Clemens, Johnson, Maddux)

 

You have Kevin Brown whose career is pretty much over.

 

You have Schilling, Smoltz, Mussina, and Glavine all of whom are on the wrong side of 35.

 

I don't think it's fair to compare Kerry's #s to any of those players listed above which leaves him with Hudson, Zito, Buehrle, Halladay, Petitte, Colon, Morris, and Mulder as the non-old, non-legend players with better careers thus far. Looks pretty impressive to me, and looks like a pretty promising next 10 years.

 

Kerry Wood is the most unjustly hated man in Chicago baseball.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Active SPs with better career ERA+ than Kerry Wood (minimum 1000 IP): 18

 

On that list you have Derek Lowe who accumulated a substantial amount of that ERA+ as a reliever.

 

You have 4 of the greatest pitchers of all time (Pedro, Clemens, Johnson, Maddux)

 

You have Kevin Brown whose career is pretty much over.

 

You have Schilling, Smoltz, Mussina, and Glavine all of whom are on the wrong side of 35.

 

I don't think it's fair to compare Kerry's #s to any of those players listed above which leaves him with Hudson, Zito, Buehrle, Halladay, Petitte, Colon, Morris, and Mulder as the non-old, non-legend players with better careers thus far. Looks pretty impressive to me, and looks like a pretty promising next 10 years.

 

Kerry Wood is the most unjustly hated man in Chicago baseball.

 

Excellent post. The big issue with Kerry has been his ability to stay healthy. When healthy, he's been one of the best pitchers in baseball. Using wins as an attack against Kerry is ignorant. It shows a lack of understanding of the game in general. I don't care if Joe Morgan thinks so, it's still idiocy.

[UBlink]

Wins are the most baseless stats by which to judge a starting pitcher because they are team influenced.[/size]

 

Yes that was written with emphasis so people stop saying, so and so only won 10 games so they suck. It really is the dumbest thing to base a pitcher's stuff/season on.. i.e. look at Clemens this year. I have NO idea why people continue to use wins as THE stat by which to judge if a pitcher had a good/bad year.

 

ERA

BAA

WHIP

K/9

HR/9

BB/9

K/BB

and even innings pitched

 

are all MORE indicative factors of how good a pitcher is. NOT WINS.

 

 

And don't forget my new favorite OBPA.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

:Ignoring the W/L debate: (I know, impressive that I'm ignoring it, eh?)

 

We should trade Aramis becaue I like guys who can catch the ball.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

:Ignoring the W/L debate: (I know, impressive that I'm ignoring it, eh?)

 

We should trade Aramis becaue I like guys who can catch the ball.

 

I was going to make a joke about Macias playing third, but even his fielding percentage at 3B sucks(24 errors in 151 games!).

[Soul]

Active SPs with better career ERA+ than Kerry Wood (minimum 1000 IP): 18

 

On that list you have Derek Lowe who accumulated a substantial amount of that ERA+ as a reliever.

 

You have 4 of the greatest pitchers of all time (Pedro, Clemens, Johnson, Maddux)

 

You have Kevin Brown whose career is pretty much over.

 

You have Schilling, Smoltz, Mussina, and Glavine all of whom are on the wrong side of 35.

 

I don't think it's fair to compare Kerry's #s to any of those players listed above which leaves him with Hudson, Zito, Buehrle, Halladay, Petitte, Colon, Morris, and Mulder as the non-old, non-legend players with better careers thus far. Looks pretty impressive to me, and looks like a pretty promising next 10 years.

 

Kerry Wood is the most unjustly hated man in Chicago baseball.

 

Excellent post. The big issue with Kerry has been his ability to stay healthy. When healthy, he's been one of the best pitchers in baseball. Using wins as an attack against Kerry is ignorant. It shows a lack of understanding of the game in general. I don't care if Joe Morgan thinks so, it's still idiocy.

 

Correct. The biggest justified complaint against Wood is his inability to stay healthy. Unfortunately, that complaint appears to be well founded at this point. It could turn him into the greatest pure pitching talent to never put together a solid string of good seasons. I certainly hope not, but I must admit I'm worried about it.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

:Ignoring the W/L debate: (I know, impressive that I'm ignoring it, eh?)

 

We should trade Aramis becaue I like guys who can catch the ball.

 

I can't even laugh at that b/c i'm so pissed.

 

Wood is awesome. w/l record my hiney. if he, prior, and z are healthy for a full season, we make the playoffs. they'll even overcome Neifury starting at 2B and hitting 2nd.