Mike Cameron

[HoopsCubs]

What does NY have left to deal for Manny though?

 

Beltran. Hey, just like Boras got his A+++ client out of Texas, he'll get his A+ client out of Shea.

[HoopsCubs]

I would imagine that Cameron might be available. Say we get an impact bat for RF. Would you take Cameron in center until Pie is ready? He strikes out a lot, but will take some walks (.340 career OBP, Ruth compared to some Cubs hitters) and plays a fantastic CF. He had an .819 OPS last season playing in Shea, managing to hit 12 HRs in 308 ABs. I realize that improving our offense is priority to number 1, but given the CFs available, I think Cameron would be a good fit. Thoughts?

 

Why don't we ask the Mets to give us Cameron ($6M), Floyd ($6.5M) and Glavine ($9.5M) in a pure salary dump move for some prospects? With the $22M they save here, and the $15M freed up with Piazza as free agent, the Mets can trade for Mannys' $20M and Delgado's $16M. We fill the needs for CF, RF and a >200IP/<4.00ERA SP. And, all 3 guys we get are free agents after 2006.

 

That's a good thought. Only trouble is that, unless CPatt were out of the picture, would it give Dusty an excuse to bench Murton?

 

Put Patterson in the deal to the Mets. The Mets can then deal Beltran to Boston for Manny, and Kris Benson to Miami for Delgado.

[CubfaninCA]

What does NY have left to deal for Manny though?

 

Beltran. Hey, just like Boras got his A+++ client out of Texas, he'll get his A+ client out of Shea.

 

Aren't they kinda gutting themselves to get Manny. It's basically 4 good players for Manny. If they could get Delgado, they might be alright, but do they have the prospects and players??

[CubfaninCA]

I would imagine that Cameron might be available. Say we get an impact bat for RF. Would you take Cameron in center until Pie is ready? He strikes out a lot, but will take some walks (.340 career OBP, Ruth compared to some Cubs hitters) and plays a fantastic CF. He had an .819 OPS last season playing in Shea, managing to hit 12 HRs in 308 ABs. I realize that improving our offense is priority to number 1, but given the CFs available, I think Cameron would be a good fit. Thoughts?

 

Why don't we ask the Mets to give us Cameron ($6M), Floyd ($6.5M) and Glavine ($9.5M) in a pure salary dump move for some prospects? With the $22M they save here, and the $15M freed up with Piazza as free agent, the Mets can trade for Mannys' $20M and Delgado's $16M. We fill the needs for CF, RF and a >200IP/<4.00ERA SP. And, all 3 guys we get are free agents after 2006.

 

That's a good thought. Only trouble is that, unless CPatt were out of the picture, would it give Dusty an excuse to bench Murton?

 

Put Patterson in the deal to the Mets. The Mets can then deal Beltran to Boston for Manny, and Kris Benson to Miami for Delgado.

 

What's their rotation look like after dealing Benson and Glavine?? Pedro, Zambrano, Seo and?? Seems they need to pick up someone like Millwood in free agency to make all this work.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I would imagine that Cameron might be available. Say we get an impact bat for RF. Would you take Cameron in center until Pie is ready? He strikes out a lot, but will take some walks (.340 career OBP, Ruth compared to some Cubs hitters) and plays a fantastic CF. He had an .819 OPS last season playing in Shea, managing to hit 12 HRs in 308 ABs. I realize that improving our offense is priority to number 1, but given the CFs available, I think Cameron would be a good fit. Thoughts?

 

Why don't we ask the Mets to give us Cameron ($6M), Floyd ($6.5M) and Glavine ($9.5M) in a pure salary dump move for some prospects? With the $22M they save here, and the $15M freed up with Piazza as free agent, the Mets can trade for Mannys' $20M and Delgado's $16M. We fill the needs for CF, RF and a >200IP/<4.00ERA SP. And, all 3 guys we get are free agents after 2006.

 

That's a good thought. Only trouble is that, unless CPatt were out of the picture, would it give Dusty an excuse to bench Murton?

 

Put Patterson in the deal to the Mets. The Mets can then deal Beltran to Boston for Manny, and Kris Benson to Miami for Delgado.

 

What's their rotation look like after dealing Benson and Glavine?? Pedro, Zambrano, Seo and?? Seems they need to pick up someone like Millwood in free agency to make all this work.

 

Looks like they would have the money to do that after this particular sequence of deals. I really doubt that Minaya would be so bold. Nor am I sure that I'd want Glavine, Floyd, and Cameron.

[CubfaninCA]

I would imagine that Cameron might be available. Say we get an impact bat for RF. Would you take Cameron in center until Pie is ready? He strikes out a lot, but will take some walks (.340 career OBP, Ruth compared to some Cubs hitters) and plays a fantastic CF. He had an .819 OPS last season playing in Shea, managing to hit 12 HRs in 308 ABs. I realize that improving our offense is priority to number 1, but given the CFs available, I think Cameron would be a good fit. Thoughts?

 

Why don't we ask the Mets to give us Cameron ($6M), Floyd ($6.5M) and Glavine ($9.5M) in a pure salary dump move for some prospects? With the $22M they save here, and the $15M freed up with Piazza as free agent, the Mets can trade for Mannys' $20M and Delgado's $16M. We fill the needs for CF, RF and a >200IP/<4.00ERA SP. And, all 3 guys we get are free agents after 2006.

 

That's a good thought. Only trouble is that, unless CPatt were out of the picture, would it give Dusty an excuse to bench Murton?

 

Put Patterson in the deal to the Mets. The Mets can then deal Beltran to Boston for Manny, and Kris Benson to Miami for Delgado.

 

What's their rotation look like after dealing Benson and Glavine?? Pedro, Zambrano, Seo and?? Seems they need to pick up someone like Millwood in free agency to make all this work.

 

Looks like they would have the money to do that after this particular sequence of deals. I really doubt that Minaya would be so bold. Nor am I sure that I'd want Glavine, Floyd, and Cameron.

 

Glavine, Floyd & Cameron would be a helluva pickup for the Cubs. You get a pitcher coming off a 3.50 season, a corner OF coming off a .860 ops and Cameron can give the Cubs great d and a .820 ops in cf. Also, all these guys are free agents. The Cubs would have to give up Patterson and Jerome Williams for starters.

[nilodnayr]

I would imagine that Cameron might be available. Say we get an impact bat for RF. Would you take Cameron in center until Pie is ready? He strikes out a lot, but will take some walks (.340 career OBP, Ruth compared to some Cubs hitters) and plays a fantastic CF. He had an .819 OPS last season playing in Shea, managing to hit 12 HRs in 308 ABs. I realize that improving our offense is priority to number 1, but given the CFs available, I think Cameron would be a good fit. Thoughts?

 

Why don't we ask the Mets to give us Cameron ($6M), Floyd ($6.5M) and Glavine ($9.5M) in a pure salary dump move for some prospects? With the $22M they save here, and the $15M freed up with Piazza as free agent, the Mets can trade for Mannys' $20M and Delgado's $16M. We fill the needs for CF, RF and a >200IP/<4.00ERA SP. And, all 3 guys we get are free agents after 2006.

 

That's a good thought. Only trouble is that, unless CPatt were out of the picture, would it give Dusty an excuse to bench Murton?

 

Put Patterson in the deal to the Mets. The Mets can then deal Beltran to Boston for Manny, and Kris Benson to Miami for Delgado.

 

I think we've gone just a bit too far here. I always thought that if the mets were to get manny theyd have to give up camron and Milledge, so thats the first problem. Unless of course we think Theo is stupid enough to throw 5/50 at Caveman, I dont. Whats the point in the mets getting manny if they are going to get rid of beltran? What are they going to do in centerfield? It all seems like way too many trades for the sake of trading that doesnt have a clear strategy and doesnt get any team anywhere (except obviously the cubs). I think theres a real possibility of a blockbuster mets/boston deal, but its not going to include a third team. Plus this whole trade is based on the mets clearing salary. They have not been a team that has cared about fiscal responsibility, and have shown no desire to clear salary. I can see in principle, Cameron and Milledge for Manny. Plain and simple. Now after that I think Floyd can be delt with Victor Diaz taking over the other corner spot, but who knows, they have jerked Diaz around so far.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Yes, I'd take Cameron.

 

Above average power and OB skills from a great defensive CFer? Why in the beginning (I haven't actually finished the thread) was it suggested he'd be the RFer? We can't be as stupid as the Mets, alot of this guys value is tied into being the arguably the best defensive CFer in baseball over the past few years....

 

He'd easily be our best OFer. Hugely underrated player...

[goonys evil twin]

What does NY have left to deal for Manny though?

 

Beltran. Hey, just like Boras got his A+++ client out of Texas, he'll get his A+ client out of Shea.

 

So they trade Cameron, Floyd and Beltran, and get back Manny? There OF is barren. Their big problem is they have 2 CF right now. They won't deal both.

[rawaction]

What does NY have left to deal for Manny though?

 

Beltran. Hey, just like Boras got his A+++ client out of Texas, he'll get his A+ client out of Shea.

 

So they trade Cameron, Floyd and Beltran, and get back Manny? There OF is barren. Their big problem is they have 2 CF right now. They won't deal both.

 

Victor Diaz could play RF. They would just need a CF.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I would imagine that Cameron might be available. Say we get an impact bat for RF. Would you take Cameron in center until Pie is ready? He strikes out a lot, but will take some walks (.340 career OBP, Ruth compared to some Cubs hitters) and plays a fantastic CF. He had an .819 OPS last season playing in Shea, managing to hit 12 HRs in 308 ABs. I realize that improving our offense is priority to number 1, but given the CFs available, I think Cameron would be a good fit. Thoughts?

 

Why don't we ask the Mets to give us Cameron ($6M), Floyd ($6.5M) and Glavine ($9.5M) in a pure salary dump move for some prospects? With the $22M they save here, and the $15M freed up with Piazza as free agent, the Mets can trade for Mannys' $20M and Delgado's $16M. We fill the needs for CF, RF and a >200IP/<4.00ERA SP. And, all 3 guys we get are free agents after 2006.

 

I like that thinking. To further entice the Mets we could offer some major league talent like Williams and Patterson.

 

Would the Mets be interested in Williams, Patterson, Nolasco, and Ryu for Cameron, Floyd, and Glavine. The Cubs could still give Furcal a nice deal and have this line-up:

 

SS Furcal

2b Walker

1b Lee

3b Ramirez

RF Floyd

C Barrett

LF Murton

CF Cameron

 

With a rotation of

Zambrano

Prior

Wood

Maddux

Glavine

 

Hopefully Maddux and Glavine will find their old stuff as they play together on the golf course again.

[BigbadB]

Why do we help the Mets at all? They didn't help us last year. I'd work a deal for Floyd, or possibly even Cameron, but not both. But, if we work a deal for either of those guys, it needs to be a good deal. I can't see taking on all of these guys salaries unless the cost to get them is minimal.

 

They outbid us for Beltran. They toyed with Hendry all offseason last year before bowing out so late in the game that Hendry basically had to give Sosa away.

 

Now we want to help them dump salary so that they can go out and get elite players? I don't think so.

[rawaction]

Why do we help the Mets at all? They didn't help us last year. I'd work a deal for Floyd, or possibly even Cameron, but not both. But, if we work a deal for either of those guys, it needs to be a good deal. I can't see taking on all of these guys salaries unless the cost to get them is minimal.

 

They outbid us for Beltran. They toyed with Hendry all offseason last year before bowing out so late in the game that Hendry basically had to give Sosa away.

 

Now we want to help them dump salary so that they can go out and get elite players? I don't think so.

 

Pretty much my thoughts. Not the helping the Mets out part, but I don't think this helps out the Cubs as much as taking on $22M and trading away players should.

[goonys evil twin]

What does NY have left to deal for Manny though?

 

Beltran. Hey, just like Boras got his A+++ client out of Texas, he'll get his A+ client out of Shea.

 

So they trade Cameron, Floyd and Beltran, and get back Manny? There OF is barren. Their big problem is they have 2 CF right now. They won't deal both.

 

Victor Diaz could play RF. They would just need a CF.

 

Diaz last year:

.257 .329 .468

 

I'm not sure I'd want that in RF if I'm running the Mets.

 

Regardless, they aren't trading all 3 of their OF this year. They might trade 2 (I doubt it), but they won't trade all 3. Either they trade Beltran for Manny and keep Cameron in center, or they trade Cameron and/or Floyd.

[Backtobanks]

I would imagine that Cameron might be available. Say we get an impact bat for RF. Would you take Cameron in center until Pie is ready? He strikes out a lot, but will take some walks (.340 career OBP, Ruth compared to some Cubs hitters) and plays a fantastic CF. He had an .819 OPS last season playing in Shea, managing to hit 12 HRs in 308 ABs. I realize that improving our offense is priority to number 1, but given the CFs available, I think Cameron would be a good fit. Thoughts?

 

Why don't we ask the Mets to give us Cameron ($6M), Floyd ($6.5M) and Glavine ($9.5M) in a pure salary dump move for some prospects? With the $22M they save here, and the $15M freed up with Piazza as free agent, the Mets can trade for Mannys' $20M and Delgado's $16M. We fill the needs for CF, RF and a >200IP/<4.00ERA SP. And, all 3 guys we get are free agents after 2006.

 

That's a good thought. Only trouble is that, unless CPatt were out of the picture, would it give Dusty an excuse to bench Murton?

 

Put Patterson in the deal to the Mets. The Mets can then deal Beltran to Boston for Manny, and Kris Benson to Miami for Delgado.

 

What's their rotation look like after dealing Benson and Glavine?? Pedro, Zambrano, Seo and?? Seems they need to pick up someone like Millwood in free agency to make all this work.

 

Looks like they would have the money to do that after this particular sequence of deals. I really doubt that Minaya would be so bold. Nor am I sure that I'd want Glavine, Floyd, and Cameron.

 

You're not sure you want Glavine, Floyd, and Cameron. Well, we could go with Rusch, Burnitz, and Patterson.

[goonys evil twin]

 

Looks like they would have the money to do that after this particular sequence of deals. I really doubt that Minaya would be so bold. Nor am I sure that I'd want Glavine, Floyd, and Cameron.

 

You're not sure you want Glavine, Floyd, and Cameron. Well, we could go with Rusch, Burnitz, and Patterson.

 

I'm not sure I want to pay $22m for those three and give up talent in return (I'm guessing Walker to start, plus a solid bat and at least 1 arm). Glavine has been a disappointment in NY. Shea helps him quite a bit, in Wrigley I'm not sure how well he'd do.

 

Cameron has a shaky history, with OBPs as low as .285 as a 25 year old (sound familiar?), while Floyd has as bad an injury history as anybody that got hurt for the Cubs in 2005.

 

I'd be more than happy to have either one of those OF on the team next year. Cameron is fine for CF. Floyd can be a major improvement over Burnitz.

 

But all 3 for $22m? I'm not sure you solve enough of the team's problems after spending all that, and I'd guess you'd open up other holes after making the trade.

[CubfaninCA]

 

Looks like they would have the money to do that after this particular sequence of deals. I really doubt that Minaya would be so bold. Nor am I sure that I'd want Glavine, Floyd, and Cameron.

 

You're not sure you want Glavine, Floyd, and Cameron. Well, we could go with Rusch, Burnitz, and Patterson.

 

I'm not sure I want to pay $22m for those three and give up talent in return (I'm guessing Walker to start, plus a solid bat and at least 1 arm). Glavine has been a disappointment in NY. Shea helps him quite a bit, in Wrigley I'm not sure how well he'd do.

 

Cameron has a shaky history, with OBPs as low as .285 as a 25 year old (sound familiar?), while Floyd has as bad an injury history as anybody that got hurt for the Cubs in 2005.

 

I'd be more than happy to have either one of those OF on the team next year. Cameron is fine for CF. Floyd can be a major improvement over Burnitz.

 

But all 3 for $22m? I'm not sure you solve enough of the team's problems after spending all that, and I'd guess you'd open up other holes after making the trade.

 

So you're holding out for Giles, Damon & Burnett? After the Cubs whiff on those three what's the backup plan?? Go w/ the kids?

[CubfaninCA]

I would imagine that Cameron might be available. Say we get an impact bat for RF. Would you take Cameron in center until Pie is ready? He strikes out a lot, but will take some walks (.340 career OBP, Ruth compared to some Cubs hitters) and plays a fantastic CF. He had an .819 OPS last season playing in Shea, managing to hit 12 HRs in 308 ABs. I realize that improving our offense is priority to number 1, but given the CFs available, I think Cameron would be a good fit. Thoughts?

 

Why don't we ask the Mets to give us Cameron ($6M), Floyd ($6.5M) and Glavine ($9.5M) in a pure salary dump move for some prospects? With the $22M they save here, and the $15M freed up with Piazza as free agent, the Mets can trade for Mannys' $20M and Delgado's $16M. We fill the needs for CF, RF and a >200IP/<4.00ERA SP. And, all 3 guys we get are free agents after 2006.

 

I like that thinking. To further entice the Mets we could offer some major league talent like Williams and Patterson.

 

Would the Mets be interested in Williams, Patterson, Nolasco, and Ryu for Cameron, Floyd, and Glavine. The Cubs could still give Furcal a nice deal and have this line-up:

 

SS Furcal

2b Walker

1b Lee

3b Ramirez

RF Floyd

C Barrett

LF Murton

CF Cameron

 

With a rotation of

Zambrano

Prior

Wood

Maddux

Glavine

 

Hopefully Maddux and Glavine will find their old stuff as they play together on the golf course again.

 

That team can win a World Series. Of course, a lot of things have to go right, but that's the case for any world series winner.

[goonys evil twin]

So you're holding out for Giles, Damon & Burnett? After the Cubs whiff on those three what's the backup plan?? Go w/ the kids?

 

Actually I'm not that interested in Damon or Burnett.

 

There's 30 MLB teams, most of which are very willing to trade in the offseason. The list of "backup plans" has been discussed a lot, and I know you've been involved, so I don't think there's any reason to go through them again. I don't think option 2 is Glavine, Floyd and Cameron.

[RockTheIvy]

 

Looks like they would have the money to do that after this particular sequence of deals. I really doubt that Minaya would be so bold. Nor am I sure that I'd want Glavine, Floyd, and Cameron.

 

You're not sure you want Glavine, Floyd, and Cameron. Well, we could go with Rusch, Burnitz, and Patterson.

 

I'm not sure I want to pay $22m for those three and give up talent in return (I'm guessing Walker to start, plus a solid bat and at least 1 arm). Glavine has been a disappointment in NY. Shea helps him quite a bit, in Wrigley I'm not sure how well he'd do.

 

Cameron has a shaky history, with OBPs as low as .285 as a 25 year old (sound familiar?), while Floyd has as bad an injury history as anybody that got hurt for the Cubs in 2005.

 

I'd be more than happy to have either one of those OF on the team next year. Cameron is fine for CF. Floyd can be a major improvement over Burnitz.

 

But all 3 for $22m? I'm not sure you solve enough of the team's problems after spending all that, and I'd guess you'd open up other holes after making the trade.

 

Cameron has sustained pretty solid OBPs since then. The only reason I brought him up was that I feel he is the best CF that is available, barring some out of the box thinking, ie, trying Murton in center.

 

Also, assuming the Cubs sign Furcal, it allows for the Cubs to make up for some power they might lose if they used, say Hairston in center.

[goonys evil twin]

Cameron has sustained pretty solid OBPs since then. The only reason I brought him up was that I feel he is the best CF that is available, barring some out of the box thinking, ie, trying Murton in center.

 

Also, assuming the Cubs sign Furcal, it allows for the Cubs to make up for some power they might lose if they used, say Hairston in center.

 

Oh, I agree that he is the best available CF, if he's available. But I have my doubts about the 3-some, at that price. I'm also not so sure the Mets will deal him. They might be more interested in moving Beltran, especially if they are interested in Manny.

[RockTheIvy]

Cameron has sustained pretty solid OBPs since then. The only reason I brought him up was that I feel he is the best CF that is available, barring some out of the box thinking, ie, trying Murton in center.

 

Also, assuming the Cubs sign Furcal, it allows for the Cubs to make up for some power they might lose if they used, say Hairston in center.

 

Oh, I agree that he is the best available CF, if he's available. But I have my doubts about the 3-some, at that price. I'm also not so sure the Mets will deal him. They might be more interested in moving Beltran, especially if they are interested in Manny.

 

3somes are always trouble, especially if you arent a velvet guy :lol:

I agree though. I would like to see someone more productive than Floyd, and an under 40 pitcher.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Cameron has sustained pretty solid OBPs since then. The only reason I brought him up was that I feel he is the best CF that is available, barring some out of the box thinking, ie, trying Murton in center.

 

Also, assuming the Cubs sign Furcal, it allows for the Cubs to make up for some power they might lose if they used, say Hairston in center.

 

Oh, I agree that he is the best available CF, if he's available. But I have my doubts about the 3-some, at that price. I'm also not so sure the Mets will deal him. They might be more interested in moving Beltran, especially if they are interested in Manny.

 

Then I gladly take Victor Diaz.

[Warpticon]

Cameron has sustained pretty solid OBPs since then. The only reason I brought him up was that I feel he is the best CF that is available, barring some out of the box thinking, ie, trying Murton in center.

 

Also, assuming the Cubs sign Furcal, it allows for the Cubs to make up for some power they might lose if they used, say Hairston in center.

 

Oh, I agree that he is the best available CF, if he's available. But I have my doubts about the 3-some, at that price. I'm also not so sure the Mets will deal him. They might be more interested in moving Beltran, especially if they are interested in Manny.

 

Then I gladly take Victor Diaz.

 

Ditto.

[goonys evil twin]

Cameron has sustained pretty solid OBPs since then. The only reason I brought him up was that I feel he is the best CF that is available, barring some out of the box thinking, ie, trying Murton in center.

 

Also, assuming the Cubs sign Furcal, it allows for the Cubs to make up for some power they might lose if they used, say Hairston in center.

 

Oh, I agree that he is the best available CF, if he's available. But I have my doubts about the 3-some, at that price. I'm also not so sure the Mets will deal him. They might be more interested in moving Beltran, especially if they are interested in Manny.

 

Then I gladly take Victor Diaz.

 

Ditto.

 

Victor might go in a deal for Manny, or another highly productive bat, but he wouldn't be available to the Cubs with what they have to offer the Mets.