Any Interest in Dotel?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Octavio Dotel is a FA.

 

He had TJS, in June, but reports are that he should be ready by spring training. If healthy, he's one hell of a set-up guy.

 

His career numbers are 1.20 WHIP, .185 BAA, and 3.52 ERA.

 

From 2002-2004, he posted a 3.12 ERA and a 194 BAA. If he's willing to set-up, he would be the ideal candidate to pitch the eighth innings in front of Dempster.

 

There's no telling what kind of salary he'll demand. He made 4.7million in 2005, but coming of of TJS he's an unsure commodity.

 

Also, this article says that he's mending quickly, but also indicates he'd like to stay with the A's.

 

Dotel mending rapidly: Octavio Dotel had season-ending ligament-replacement surgery on his right elbow less than four months ago, but he is preparing to begin throwing again next week in Atlanta, where he is working out with trainers. The A's former closer said he should be ready or very close to ready by spring training, far sooner than initially expected.

 

 

What's interesting, is that I've read barely anything about teams having interest in him. Hoops, Bruce.....is there any interest in him on the Cubs part?

 

I think he'd be someone to look heavily into if the price isn't too terribly steep. In fact, I might even make him my number two target after Brian Giles.

[UK1679666180]

I love Dotel, but I'd put him behind a RF'er, CF'er, reliever, and possibly the #5 spot in the rotation.

[Fred Hornkohl]

I think he'd be someone to look heavily into if the price isn't too terribly steep. In fact, I might even make him my number two target after Brian Giles.

 

Hey, call your buddy Hendry and make it happen !! :wink:

[abuck1220]

i wonder if he'll be looking to close (or at least looking for closer money)...because he ain't gonna be closing in oakland.

 

i'd be all for taking a shot at him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I love Dotel, but I'd put him behind a RF'er, CF'er, reliever, and possibly the #5 spot in the rotation.

 

My wish list (in order of importance)

 

1. Giles. I would not rest until he is a Cub, but I doubt he'd turn down my proposal.

2. Dotel. I'd offer a one year 1.5 million base with incentives based on appearances that could push it to 3 million. It tack on a 2007 option at 3.5 million with a five million buy-out and a 2008 option at 3.5 million that vests on appearances.

3. CF- Kenny Lofton. I'd offer a one year 2 million dollar deal.

4. Re-sign Nomar

 

After that, I'd just monitor the market to see what's out there. I'm comfortable with Williams as the fifth starter if nothing develops, but I'd look at other options as well.

[rawaction]

Yep. Offer him a 2-year deal and triple the money the Cubs gave Dempster and Williamson. 2-years, $2M first year, $ 6M option for 2nd year.

 

But as UK, he wouldn't be a priority, as much as I would like him.

[CuseCubFan69]

When is Fox expected back?

[UK1679666180]

What about Felix Rodriguez? He'll probably even have less demand than some team looking to get Dotel on the cheap.

 

He was brutal last year, above avg. and not great the previous two seasons, and has a history with Baker/Pole.

 

As far as my priorities.

 

1)RF (Giles)

2)CF (Michaels) as far as FAs, I'd go with Cruz before Lofton

3)SS (Nomar)

4)Set-up (Howry)

5)LOOGY (Sauerbeck)

6)Bench (Sweeney and an additional IF'er who can play 1B/3B and hit RH'ed)

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

What are the odds of the A's keeping Dotel? I don't think they're real good considering their budget. They can't afford to take a several million dollar gamble on Dotel, and teams like the Cubs can.

 

We might actually have a decent shot at getting Dotel, unlike Giles.

[mg420]

if the cubs cant trade for abreu or sign giles, i look for them to trade for floyd from the mets to play right. they can then possibly sign lofton to play center & take the option on walker to play 2nd. eyre is probably going to be on bakers list as the other lefty since he had him when he managed the giants, and i would like to see them go after howry to set up dempster. that would leave the question of weather to sign rusch to be the #5 or give it to williams and a bat or three for the bench (with perhaps theriot & font. in the mix). that said i would pass on dotel & f rod.

[YearofDaCubs]

I would definitely like to sign him. I personally do not feel that he would be ready by ST but he can be a big lift mid-season. I would also sign him to a 2 year deal.

[Jazz]

One of our TJS reliever projects has worked out great so far, id like to see what Dotel could do here to. Give him a 2 year deal, 1.5 mil the first year, 4 mil the 2nd, with a 3rd year team option worth 6 mil.

[TheDude]

Williamson was once electric also. How's that worked out so far?

 

I'll pass on the project pitchers this year. People knock Hendry for taking on too many injury risks and poor management, so why repeat this mistake?

[goonys evil twin]

Williamson was once electric also. How's that worked out so far?

 

I'll pass on the project pitchers this year. People knock Hendry for taking on too many injury risks and poor management, so why repeat this mistake?

 

I don't think it's a mistake to take chances on guys like that with creative contracts (Dempster). It's a mistake when you rely so heavily on guys with recent injuries, and don't have a decent backup plan.

[YearofDaCubs]

Williamson was once electric also. How's that worked out so far?

 

I'll pass on the project pitchers this year. People knock Hendry for taking on too many injury risks and poor management, so why repeat this mistake?

Let's give Williamson a full year before we call it a failure.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

What about Felix Rodriguez? He'll probably even have less demand than some team looking to get Dotel on the cheap.

 

He was brutal last year, above avg. and not great the previous two seasons, and has a history with Baker/Pole.

 

As far as my priorities.

 

1)RF (Giles)

2)CF (Michaels) as far as FAs, I'd go with Cruz before Lofton

3)SS (Nomar)

4)Set-up (Howry)

5)LOOGY (Sauerbeck)

6)Bench (Sweeney and an additional IF'er who can play 1B/3B and hit RH'ed)

 

That works just fine for me.

[Neuby]

I think Dotel will get a deal a lot like Dempsters got coming off of surgery but more money up front. I say gamble on him.

Dempster

Dotel

Howry

Williamson

Nova, Wuertz, Welly,

Ohman

I'd say you bring Dotel along slowly letting Wuertz and Nova take the ball till Dotel is fully rehabbed and ready for the bigs. I doubt Hendry would dump that much money into both Dotel and Howry. Letting Williams,Hill, and Guzman battle for the fifth spot help keep the Cubs in Budget.

[goonys evil twin]

I think Dotel will get a deal a lot like Dempsters got coming off of surgery but more money up front. I say gamble on him.

 

I think you have to offer him greater chance for big money. Dotel was a proven pen stud. Dempster was not. Appearance/IP totals should be included to let him earn up to $5-6m this year.

[TheDude]

Williamson was once electric also. How's that worked out so far?

 

I'll pass on the project pitchers this year. People knock Hendry for taking on too many injury risks and poor management, so why repeat this mistake?

 

I don't think it's a mistake to take chances on guys like that with creative contracts (Dempster). It's a mistake when you rely so heavily on guys with recent injuries, and don't have a decent backup plan.

This is a contradiction to your other notion that Hendry is directly responsible for not improving the Chiacgo Cubs in 2004 and 2005 partially because of signing too many high-risk injury contracts, isn't it?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Williamson was once electric also. How's that worked out so far?

 

I'll pass on the project pitchers this year. People knock Hendry for taking on too many injury risks and poor management, so why repeat this mistake?

 

I don't think it's a mistake to take chances on guys like that with creative contracts (Dempster). It's a mistake when you rely so heavily on guys with recent injuries, and don't have a decent backup plan.

This is a contradiction to your other notion that Hendry is directly responsible for not improving the Chiacgo Cubs in 2004 and 2005 partially because of signing too many high-risk injury contracts, isn't it?

 

There's quite a difference between taking a gamble on a middle reliever/setup guy who will at most pitch 70 innings, and a starting position player you are counting to play 140+ games without a serviceable backup. By nature bullpen arms are easier to replace, and it's more likely to get better relative performance from the guy filling in for him.

[goonys evil twin]

Williamson was once electric also. How's that worked out so far?

 

I'll pass on the project pitchers this year. People knock Hendry for taking on too many injury risks and poor management, so why repeat this mistake?

 

I don't think it's a mistake to take chances on guys like that with creative contracts (Dempster). It's a mistake when you rely so heavily on guys with recent injuries, and don't have a decent backup plan.

This is a contradiction to your other notion that Hendry is directly responsible for not improving the Chiacgo Cubs in 2004 and 2005 partially because of signing too many high-risk injury contracts, isn't it?

 

No, it's not. Guaranteeing small money is not high-risk.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Dotel filed for free agency, and it doesn't appear that the A's are interested in re-signing him.

 

"I don't think Oakland is going to call,'' Dotel said by phone from Atlanta, where he is rehabbing his elbow. "They have 15 days to talk to O.D., but they don't even act like they want to call.''

 

Dotel's agent, Dan Horwits, confirmed that he has not spoken to A's GM Billy Beane about Dotel.

 

 

Reports are that he'll be ready by Spring Training.

 

Dotel said on Thursday he is throwing from a distance of 60 feet already, will move to 75 feet next week and will throw off a mound starting in December. He believes he will be completely healthy in time for spring training.

 

 

 

It's time to make Octavio a nice incentive-laden deal to set-up Dempster.

[YearofDaCubs]

Dotel filed for free agency, and it doesn't appear that the A's are interested in re-signing him.

 

"I don't think Oakland is going to call,'' Dotel said by phone from Atlanta, where he is rehabbing his elbow. "They have 15 days to talk to O.D., but they don't even act like they want to call.''

 

Dotel's agent, Dan Horwits, confirmed that he has not spoken to A's GM Billy Beane about Dotel.

 

 

Reports are that he'll be ready by Spring Training.

 

Dotel said on Thursday he is throwing from a distance of 60 feet already, will move to 75 feet next week and will throw off a mound starting in December. He believes he will be completely healthy in time for spring training.

 

 

 

It's time to make Octavio a nice incentive-laden deal to set-up Dempster.

That would be a good pickup but even though he will be ready chances are he wont be effective until mid-season.

[Jehrico]

Williamson was once electric also. How's that worked out so far?

 

I'll pass on the project pitchers this year. People knock Hendry for taking on too many injury risks and poor management, so why repeat this mistake?

 

I don't think it's a mistake to take chances on guys like that with creative contracts (Dempster). It's a mistake when you rely so heavily on guys with recent injuries, and don't have a decent backup plan.

This is a contradiction to your other notion that Hendry is directly responsible for not improving the Chiacgo Cubs in 2004 and 2005 partially because of signing too many high-risk injury contracts, isn't it?

 

No, it's not. Guaranteeing small money is not high-risk.

 

It may not be high risk financially, but guaranteeing a roster spot to someone who is an injury risk at the expense of someone you can count on for a year in a position where you are currently lacking when you're hoping to compete is a big risk to take.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Williamson was once electric also. How's that worked out so far?

 

I'll pass on the project pitchers this year. People knock Hendry for taking on too many injury risks and poor management, so why repeat this mistake?

 

I don't think it's a mistake to take chances on guys like that with creative contracts (Dempster). It's a mistake when you rely so heavily on guys with recent injuries, and don't have a decent backup plan.

This is a contradiction to your other notion that Hendry is directly responsible for not improving the Chiacgo Cubs in 2004 and 2005 partially because of signing too many high-risk injury contracts, isn't it?

 

No, it's not. Guaranteeing small money is not high-risk.

 

It may not be high risk financially, but guaranteeing a roster spot to someone who is an injury risk at the expense of someone you can count on for a year in a position where you are currently lacking when you're hoping to compete is a big risk to take.

 

The bullpen is a different animal in that sense. The players that Dotel would be taking the place of aren't that spectacular, and they can wait to see if he pans out in AAA.