Rumoured Cubs- Marlins/Cubs-Dodgers Trades

[BigbadB]

We don't have high winds in San Diego. The thick air from the marine layer is what knocks down fly balls, not only to left field, but also to center field and right field also. Petco does have a "short porch" in right field, which helps the lefties hit more home runs to right field, but they have to really pull the ball to hit the porch.

[BigbadB]

I'll also point out that LA and San Diego play more like hitter's parks in day games. We have very low humidity on the west coast, therefore it's a very light air and balls travel well in lighter air. This is also why Arizona is a hitter's paradise. They don't get a marine layer cover in their night games and they have no humidity to speak of. It's just a dry desert air, therefore balls travel very nicely. Check the Cactus League Spring Training scores. Usually some pretty high scoring games. San Diego is just like Phoenix as far as the air is concerned during daylight hours. When the marine layer filters in, it completely changes the thickness of the air.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

It's all about the marine layer, Craig. The same can be said for San Fran, Oakland, Seattle, San Diego and Anaheim. There is a heavy air that comes in off the ocean late every afternoon. It would always be there, actually, if the sun didn't burn it off early in the day.

 

This marine layer just absolutely kills a balls flight. Day games on the west coast are typically higher scoring, because the marine layer hasn't settled in yet. It doesn't always hold true, but it's pretty typical.

 

There is no set time that the marine layer settles in either. On a typical summer day, it may not roll in until after sunset. A night game starting at 7pm might be high scoring until the sun sets and the marine layer starts covering the stadium at 8:30pm, or about the midpoint of a game. In this instance, you may see high scoring early in the game, and next to nothing once the heavy air settles in.

 

It's weird, but it's also a legit problem.

 

We're not San Diego - Dodger Stadium is 15 miles inland. In the summer (for about 1-2 months of the season), the sea breeze/marine layer never returns so dry night games can be nearly as high scoring as day games. But other than that, I agree.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

It's all about the marine layer, Craig. The same can be said for San Fran, Oakland, Seattle, San Diego and Anaheim. There is a heavy air that comes in off the ocean late every afternoon. It would always be there, actually, if the sun didn't burn it off early in the day.

 

This marine layer just absolutely kills a balls flight. Day games on the west coast are typically higher scoring, because the marine layer hasn't settled in yet. It doesn't always hold true, but it's pretty typical.

 

There is no set time that the marine layer settles in either. On a typical summer day, it may not roll in until after sunset. A night game starting at 7pm might be high scoring until the sun sets and the marine layer starts covering the stadium at 8:30pm, or about the midpoint of a game. In this instance, you may see high scoring early in the game, and next to nothing once the heavy air settles in.

 

It's weird, but it's also a legit problem.

 

in san diego, i heard that it has something to do with high winds knocking long flies down in left. is there anything to this as well?

 

I remember reading about that in the USA Today when Petco opened. It was in regards to the Santa Anas. Those don't happen that often, BBB is right.

[SAMMYWHO]

C'mon Vance. Call me something worthwhile. Like Mr Cobb. Ty that is.

[brinoch]

I don't think LA would be particularly interested in Walker, other than as a piece to get a 3B. They have Kent already. Now, I could see a situation where DePodesta brings Walker in to play 2nd, and Kent moves over to 1st. I haven't heard any rumors to that effect, but it's not inconceivable.

 

I don't see, however, a way to bring Bradley and Lowe here and send only Walker to LA -- you'll have to send Jerome Williams or some solid prospects along. But, this deal adds another hole to the lineup -- 2B, that now must covered (possibly by Cedeno). I can see where the Cubs upgrade by adding Castillo, Bradley and Lowe, though. Any way you slice it, I think that the OF still needs an upgrade. Gimme Giles.

 

Finally, one thought here: I've seen some posts that I read as criticism of Hoops "predictions." Hoops isn't predicting trades, he's offering us solid information about what he's hearing from sources. He always qualifies his posts based on how credible he thinks the information is, and will critique the information. Now, I'm a firm believer in politeness and, in general, not insulting those who offer information or services that I wouldn't otherwise have access to. Hoops' info is always interesting and thought-provoking. And I for one would like to see it continue. So let's lay off the critiques, shall we?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Brinoch, I've heard a few rumors of the Dodgers moving Kent to 1Band looking for another 2B if they can't find a better hitting 1B.

[BigbadB]

Santa Ana winds are an eastern wind that typically hits the west coast in the fall season. It's a warm desert breeze that not only dry out the already dry brush, but that's where a lot of the big west coast fires come from. It's currently fire season. Luckily, we are getting some much needed rain these past few days. The Santa Ana winds have very little effect on Padres games.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

SAMMYWHO? and everyone else, drop the race issue and personal attacks.

[TheDude]

Lowe gave up *28* HR's this year, while pitching in pitcher-friendly HR-unfriendly LA. That's a *lot* of HR's. The combo of lots of hits (it's been 4 years since Lowe has allowed fewer hits than innings...) and lots of HR's is a combustible combo. Be careful what you wish for....

 

All that said, Lowe has often *not* allowed all *that* many HR's. In Boston his HR-allowed were often pretty respectable. Had his HR-allowed been normal this past season, his ERA would have been a lot more impressive.

 

in 110.2 innings at home he gave up 16HRs. In 111.1 innings pitching Away he gave up 12 HRs.

 

Dodger Stadium didn't really help him much.

 

Quick question about Dodger Stadium. I hear a lot of announcers talk about certain times of the day when it's a lot easier to hit a HR at Dodger Stadium. Has anyone else heard this?

This year, Lowe gave 15 of those 28 HRs in just 6 starts.

 

So it is a little deceptive. It is an indication that when he is off, he tends to get hit hard and blown out. When he is on however, it is very tough to go yard on him.

[LoneStarCubFan]

FWIW, Lowe is screwing around with one of the bimbettes from Fox Sports West in LA, not one of the Dodger beat writers.

 

Reporter Carolyn Hughes, from what Derek's wife has said.

 

Yeah, she's a bimbette reporter at Fox Sports West in LA. She's not a newspaper beat writer.

 

Google = Derek Lowe Affair

[Magnetic Curses]

It's all about the marine layer, Craig. The same can be said for San Fran, Oakland, Seattle, San Diego and Anaheim. There is a heavy air that comes in off the ocean late every afternoon. It would always be there, actually, if the sun didn't burn it off early in the day.

 

This marine layer just absolutely kills a balls flight. Day games on the west coast are typically higher scoring, because the marine layer hasn't settled in yet. It doesn't always hold true, but it's pretty typical.

 

There is no set time that the marine layer settles in either. On a typical summer day, it may not roll in until after sunset. A night game starting at 7pm might be high scoring until the sun sets and the marine layer starts covering the stadium at 8:30pm, or about the midpoint of a game. In this instance, you may see high scoring early in the game, and next to nothing once the heavy air settles in.

 

It's weird, but it's also a legit problem.

 

in san diego, i heard that it has something to do with high winds knocking long flies down in left. is there anything to this as well?

 

I remember reading about that in the USA Today when Petco opened. It was in regards to the Santa Anas. Those don't happen that often, BBB is right.

 

i think we read the same paper.

[USSoccer]

FWIW, Lowe is screwing around with one of the bimbettes from Fox Sports West in LA, not one of the Dodger beat writers.

 

Reporter Carolyn Hughes, from what Derek's wife has said.

 

Yeah, she's a bimbette reporter at Fox Sports West in LA. She's not a newspaper beat writer.

 

Google = Derek Lowe Affair

 

Wow, that's an intense story...

[MPrior]

People have been talking about the liability of Lowe's contract - and I mentioned this earlier, but no one responded to it (admittedly, someone else mentioned it as well before me). I think, if this trade were to go down, we ought to trade Lowe to someone else to see what we could get. He's not worth the amount of money on his contract, especially when we have someone like Williams who could take over and do almost as well (obviously not a given, but his numbers could be very very comparable to Lowe's). And if we can trade Lowe to fill in one of our other holes (like bullpen help, for example), that not only fills a hole we need filled, but also probably frees up even more money to go after the people we REALLY need, like Giles, and then still have enough to shore up the bench and come up with some suitable solution at SS.

[TheDude]

People have been talking about the liability of Lowe's contract - and I mentioned this earlier, but no one responded to it (admittedly, someone else mentioned it as well before me). I think, if this trade were to go down, we ought to trade Lowe to someone else to see what we could get. He's not worth the amount of money on his contract, especially when we have someone like Williams who could take over and do almost as well (obviously not a given, but his numbers could be very very comparable to Lowe's). And if we can trade Lowe to fill in one of our other holes (like bullpen help, for example), that not only fills a hole we need filled, but also probably frees up even more money to go after the people we REALLY need, like Giles, and then still have enough to shore up the bench and come up with some suitable solution at SS.

But that doesn't make sense. If you don't want Lowe to pitch for your staff, you don't trade for him and put yourself in a compromising position trying to flip him.

 

You are basically suggesting the Cubs willingly put themselves in a tough spot.

[Tim]

As Craig points out, HR's are Lowe's weak spot. So why not send him to Florida in place of Nolasco with the Cubs picking up part of that contract. They're going to need pitching this offseason with Burnett moving on, anyway. That ballpark would suit Lowe very well.

[frostwyrm]

I agree with whoever said we wouldn't need Furcal if we had Bradley and Castillo batting 1 and 2. I hope Hendry can make the deal, but it sounds too good to be true.

[CuseCubFan69]

I agree with whoever said we wouldn't need Furcal if we had Bradley and Castillo batting 1 and 2. I hope Hendry can make the deal, but it sounds too good to be true.

 

So you want:

 

Nomar

Cedeno

Perez

 

For short then?

[rawaction]

I agree with whoever said we wouldn't need Furcal if we had Bradley and Castillo batting 1 and 2. I hope Hendry can make the deal, but it sounds too good to be true.

 

So you want:

 

Nomar

Cedeno

Perez

 

For short then?

 

Go with Cedeno. Spend the extra money for Giles and bullpen.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I agree with whoever said we wouldn't need Furcal if we had Bradley and Castillo batting 1 and 2. I hope Hendry can make the deal, but it sounds too good to be true.

 

So you want:

 

Nomar

Cedeno

Perez

 

For short then?

I'd take Nomar at SS if we had Castillo and Bradley. If we were able to get Giles for RF, I'd give SS to Cedeno.

 

With a line-up of Castillo, Bradley, Lee, Giles, and Ramirez, could afford to have Castillo and Murton in there every day without a problem.

 

I don't want Neifi anywhere near this team.

[CuseCubFan69]

I agree with whoever said we wouldn't need Furcal if we had Bradley and Castillo batting 1 and 2. I hope Hendry can make the deal, but it sounds too good to be true.

 

So you want:

 

Nomar

Cedeno

Perez

 

For short then?

 

Go with Cedeno. Spend the extra money for Giles and bullpen.

 

I agree with you and Vance. I just see a Neifi thing happening if Nomar doesn't come back.

 

And Vance, I don't want Perez here if Baker is here either.

[frostwyrm]

I agree with whoever said we wouldn't need Furcal if we had Bradley and Castillo batting 1 and 2. I hope Hendry can make the deal, but it sounds too good to be true.

 

So you want:

 

Nomar

Cedeno

Perez

 

For short then?

 

Go with Cedeno. Spend the extra money for Giles and bullpen.

 

Yeah. I'm for letting Nomar walk. We have to be prepared for the possibility of having to overpay for a RF. I'd rather have Cedeno's defense, low salary, and future upside if we can get Bradley, Castillo, and Giles.

[rawaction]

I agree with whoever said we wouldn't need Furcal if we had Bradley and Castillo batting 1 and 2. I hope Hendry can make the deal, but it sounds too good to be true.

 

So you want:

 

Nomar

Cedeno

Perez

 

For short then?

 

Go with Cedeno. Spend the extra money for Giles and bullpen.

 

Yeah. I'm for letting Nomar walk. We have to be prepared for the possibility of having to overpay for a RF. I'd rather have Cedeno's defense, low salary, and future upside if we can get Bradley, Castillo, and Giles.

 

I think a lineup of Castillo, Bradley, Lee, Giles, Ramirez, Murton, Barrett, Cedeno is about as much as we could hope for.

[frostwyrm]

I agree with whoever said we wouldn't need Furcal if we had Bradley and Castillo batting 1 and 2. I hope Hendry can make the deal, but it sounds too good to be true.

 

So you want:

 

Nomar

Cedeno

Perez

 

For short then?

 

Go with Cedeno. Spend the extra money for Giles and bullpen.

 

Yeah. I'm for letting Nomar walk. We have to be prepared for the possibility of having to overpay for a RF. I'd rather have Cedeno's defense, low salary, and future upside if we can get Bradley, Castillo, and Giles.

 

I think a lineup of Castillo, Bradley, Lee, Giles, Ramirez, Murton, Barrett, Cedeno is about as much as we could hope for.

 

Definitely Cedeno. I think a lot of people are counting on getting Nomar too cheaply. If you give Nomar an incentive-laden contract that starts at 2M and tops out at 8M the beancounters still have to allocate 8M in the budget for him. That's easily enough to make the difference between getting Giles or being stuck with some crummy Burnitz type.

[BigbadB]

I agree with whoever said we wouldn't need Furcal if we had Bradley and Castillo batting 1 and 2. I hope Hendry can make the deal, but it sounds too good to be true.

 

So you want:

 

Nomar

Cedeno

Perez

 

For short then?

 

Go with Cedeno. Spend the extra money for Giles and bullpen.

 

Yeah. I'm for letting Nomar walk. We have to be prepared for the possibility of having to overpay for a RF. I'd rather have Cedeno's defense, low salary, and future upside if we can get Bradley, Castillo, and Giles.

 

I think a lineup of Castillo, Bradley, Lee, Giles, Ramirez, Murton, Barrett, Cedeno is about as much as we could hope for.

 

Definitely Cedeno. I think a lot of people are counting on getting Nomar too cheaply. If you give Nomar an incentive-laden contract that starts at 2M and tops out at 8M the beancounters still have to allocate 8M in the budget for him. That's easily enough to make the difference between getting Giles or being stuck with some crummy Burnitz type.

 

This team can afford Nomar and Giles, even if Nomar reaches all of his incentives. If Nomar reaches all of his incentives, what would you suppose that would mean for the Cubs?