Rumoured Cubs- Marlins/Cubs-Dodgers Trades

[frostwyrm]

I agree with whoever said we wouldn't need Furcal if we had Bradley and Castillo batting 1 and 2. I hope Hendry can make the deal, but it sounds too good to be true.

 

So you want:

 

Nomar

Cedeno

Perez

 

For short then?

 

Go with Cedeno. Spend the extra money for Giles and bullpen.

 

Yeah. I'm for letting Nomar walk. We have to be prepared for the possibility of having to overpay for a RF. I'd rather have Cedeno's defense, low salary, and future upside if we can get Bradley, Castillo, and Giles.

 

I think a lineup of Castillo, Bradley, Lee, Giles, Ramirez, Murton, Barrett, Cedeno is about as much as we could hope for.

 

Definitely Cedeno. I think a lot of people are counting on getting Nomar too cheaply. If you give Nomar an incentive-laden contract that starts at 2M and tops out at 8M the beancounters still have to allocate 8M in the budget for him. That's easily enough to make the difference between getting Giles or being stuck with some crummy Burnitz type.

 

This team can afford Nomar and Giles, even if Nomar reaches all of his incentives. If Nomar reaches all of his incentives, what would you suppose that would mean for the Cubs?

 

Excellent offense from SS, poor defense, and no shot at Millwood or Burnett. I really want to make a run at a premier SP because I don't have any faith that Kerry will finish 2006 in the rotation.

[BigbadB]

I agree with whoever said we wouldn't need Furcal if we had Bradley and Castillo batting 1 and 2. I hope Hendry can make the deal, but it sounds too good to be true.

 

So you want:

 

Nomar

Cedeno

Perez

 

For short then?

 

Go with Cedeno. Spend the extra money for Giles and bullpen.

 

Yeah. I'm for letting Nomar walk. We have to be prepared for the possibility of having to overpay for a RF. I'd rather have Cedeno's defense, low salary, and future upside if we can get Bradley, Castillo, and Giles.

 

You also have to be prepared that you can't get a RF as productive as Nomar can be. How many are available? What do we have to trade that would inspire someone to trade their right fielder to us. What happens when:

 

Manny gets traded to the Mets

Giles resigns with the Padres

Abreu is not traded out of Phily

Preston Wilson and Jeromy Burnitz are the most appealing OF remaining

 

Would you still settle for Cedeno at SS if Burnitz is back in RF? Cedeno is such an unknown commodity at this point. We don't know if he might resemble a Julio Lugo or a Neifi Perez. After the horrendous season the Cubs just had, I don't see how you can gamble cutting Nomar loose and risking his loss and no spectacular free agent signings or trades.

[BigbadB]

I agree with whoever said we wouldn't need Furcal if we had Bradley and Castillo batting 1 and 2. I hope Hendry can make the deal, but it sounds too good to be true.

 

So you want:

 

Nomar

Cedeno

Perez

 

For short then?

 

Go with Cedeno. Spend the extra money for Giles and bullpen.

 

Yeah. I'm for letting Nomar walk. We have to be prepared for the possibility of having to overpay for a RF. I'd rather have Cedeno's defense, low salary, and future upside if we can get Bradley, Castillo, and Giles.

 

I think a lineup of Castillo, Bradley, Lee, Giles, Ramirez, Murton, Barrett, Cedeno is about as much as we could hope for.

 

Definitely Cedeno. I think a lot of people are counting on getting Nomar too cheaply. If you give Nomar an incentive-laden contract that starts at 2M and tops out at 8M the beancounters still have to allocate 8M in the budget for him. That's easily enough to make the difference between getting Giles or being stuck with some crummy Burnitz type.

 

This team can afford Nomar and Giles, even if Nomar reaches all of his incentives. If Nomar reaches all of his incentives, what would you suppose that would mean for the Cubs?

 

Excellent offense from SS, poor defense, and no shot at Millwood or Burnett. I really want to make a run at a premier SP because I don't have any faith that Kerry will finish 2006 in the rotation.

 

Nomar has expressed an interest in playing a different position. He's also expressed interest in staying in Chicago. The Cubs can afford Nomar, Giles AND a starting pitcher. For that matter, I think the Cubs could also afford Nomar, Furcal, Giles and a starting pitcher. If you end up with Nomar and Furcal, then you put Nomar in a corner spot in the outfield and have Giles play the other spot. Murton becomes your 4th outfielder and Nomar steps into the fill in infield spot if someone gets hurt.

 

If you just let Nomar walk, the options become considerably weaker.

[Magnetic Curses]

Nomar has expressed an interest in playing a different position. He's also expressed interest in staying in Chicago. The Cubs can afford Nomar, Giles AND a starting pitcher. For that matter, I think the Cubs could also afford Nomar, Furcal, Giles and a starting pitcher. If you end up with Nomar and Furcal, then you put Nomar in a corner spot in the outfield and have Giles play the other spot. Murton becomes your 4th outfielder and Nomar steps into the fill in infield spot if someone gets hurt.

 

If you just let Nomar walk, the options become considerably weaker.

 

i don't like the idea of nomar playing a corner OF spot. if we bring him back, he should play short. besides, if we get giles and trade for bradley or sign lofton, murton will play left and we won't need him.

 

i like the idea of bringing nomar back at short, adding giles and lofton. it's simple and addresses needs. furcal would be a nice sign, but it's not necessary.

[CuseCubFan69]

Nomar has expressed an interest in playing a different position. He's also expressed interest in staying in Chicago. The Cubs can afford Nomar, Giles AND a starting pitcher. For that matter, I think the Cubs could also afford Nomar, Furcal, Giles and a starting pitcher. If you end up with Nomar and Furcal, then you put Nomar in a corner spot in the outfield and have Giles play the other spot. Murton becomes your 4th outfielder and Nomar steps into the fill in infield spot if someone gets hurt.

 

If you just let Nomar walk, the options become considerably weaker.

 

i don't like the idea of nomar playing a corner OF spot. if we bring him back, he should play short. besides, if we get giles and trade for bradley or sign lofton, murton will play left and we won't need him.

 

i like the idea of bringing nomar back at short, adding giles and lofton. it's simple and addresses needs. furcal would be a nice sign, but it's not necessary.

 

I can't imagine sidearm throws from the OF. IMO Nomar should either play SS or 3B...possibly 1st.

[BigbadB]

Nomar has expressed an interest in playing a different position. He's also expressed interest in staying in Chicago. The Cubs can afford Nomar, Giles AND a starting pitcher. For that matter, I think the Cubs could also afford Nomar, Furcal, Giles and a starting pitcher. If you end up with Nomar and Furcal, then you put Nomar in a corner spot in the outfield and have Giles play the other spot. Murton becomes your 4th outfielder and Nomar steps into the fill in infield spot if someone gets hurt.

 

If you just let Nomar walk, the options become considerably weaker.

 

i don't like the idea of nomar playing a corner OF spot. if we bring him back, he should play short. besides, if we get giles and trade for bradley or sign lofton, murton will play left and we won't need him.

 

i like the idea of bringing nomar back at short, adding giles and lofton. it's simple and addresses needs. furcal would be a nice sign, but it's not necessary.

 

True, I'd just prefer Nomar at SS as well. However, letting him walk and focusing all of your energy to sign Furcal and not getting him and you end up with Cedeno and Neifi as your SS tandem. Who would prefer that?

[USSoccer]

Nomar has expressed an interest in playing a different position. He's also expressed interest in staying in Chicago. The Cubs can afford Nomar, Giles AND a starting pitcher. For that matter, I think the Cubs could also afford Nomar, Furcal, Giles and a starting pitcher. If you end up with Nomar and Furcal, then you put Nomar in a corner spot in the outfield and have Giles play the other spot. Murton becomes your 4th outfielder and Nomar steps into the fill in infield spot if someone gets hurt.

 

If you just let Nomar walk, the options become considerably weaker.

 

i don't like the idea of nomar playing a corner OF spot. if we bring him back, he should play short. besides, if we get giles and trade for bradley or sign lofton, murton will play left and we won't need him.

 

i like the idea of bringing nomar back at short, adding giles and lofton. it's simple and addresses needs. furcal would be a nice sign, but it's not necessary.

 

I think the last thing the Cubs should do is put a guy with 2 straight years of leg injuries in a corner spot. Murton is more than capable of putting up an .800 OPS given full time in LF, and at a fraction of the cost. Nomar's only value for the Cubs would be as a SS or utility supersub.

[goonys evil twin]

I think the last thing the Cubs should do is put a guy with 2 straight years of leg injuries in a corner spot. Murton is more than capable of putting up an .800 OPS given full time in LF, and at a fraction of the cost. Nomar's only value for the Cubs would be as a SS or utility supersub.

 

I think Murton is capable of an 800 OPS, but I sure am not penciling him in at that number. I would expect him to provide at least a 750 OPS, and that would be fine at his cost, as long as they get production from the other corner spot.

 

It would have been fine to hand the LF job to Dubois this year, as long as they went with somebody much better than Burnitz.

[USSoccer]

Nomar has expressed an interest in playing a different position. He's also expressed interest in staying in Chicago. The Cubs can afford Nomar, Giles AND a starting pitcher. For that matter, I think the Cubs could also afford Nomar, Furcal, Giles and a starting pitcher. If you end up with Nomar and Furcal, then you put Nomar in a corner spot in the outfield and have Giles play the other spot. Murton becomes your 4th outfielder and Nomar steps into the fill in infield spot if someone gets hurt.

 

If you just let Nomar walk, the options become considerably weaker.

 

i don't like the idea of nomar playing a corner OF spot. if we bring him back, he should play short. besides, if we get giles and trade for bradley or sign lofton, murton will play left and we won't need him.

 

i like the idea of bringing nomar back at short, adding giles and lofton. it's simple and addresses needs. furcal would be a nice sign, but it's not necessary.

 

I think the last thing the Cubs should do is put a guy with 2 straight years of leg injuries in a corner spot. Murton is more than capable of putting up an .800 OPS given full time in LF, and at a fraction of the cost. Nomar's only value for the Cubs would be as a SS or utility supersub.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I agree with whoever said we wouldn't need Furcal if we had Bradley and Castillo batting 1 and 2. I hope Hendry can make the deal, but it sounds too good to be true.

 

So you want:

 

Nomar

Cedeno

Perez

 

For short then?

 

Go with Cedeno. Spend the extra money for Giles and bullpen.

 

Yeah. I'm for letting Nomar walk. We have to be prepared for the possibility of having to overpay for a RF. I'd rather have Cedeno's defense, low salary, and future upside if we can get Bradley, Castillo, and Giles.

 

I think a lineup of Castillo, Bradley, Lee, Giles, Ramirez, Murton, Barrett, Cedeno is about as much as we could hope for.

 

Definitely Cedeno. I think a lot of people are counting on getting Nomar too cheaply. If you give Nomar an incentive-laden contract that starts at 2M and tops out at 8M the beancounters still have to allocate 8M in the budget for him. That's easily enough to make the difference between getting Giles or being stuck with some crummy Burnitz type.

 

This team can afford Nomar and Giles, even if Nomar reaches all of his incentives. If Nomar reaches all of his incentives, what would you suppose that would mean for the Cubs?

 

Excellent offense from SS, poor defense, and no shot at Millwood or Burnett. I really want to make a run at a premier SP because I don't have any faith that Kerry will finish 2006 in the rotation.

 

If we do the deal for Lowe, there's absolutely no chance we go out and spend money on a SP.

 

We'd have Prior, Wood, Zambrano, Maddux, and Lowe penciled in the rotation with Williams, Hill or Mitre to fill in the case of injury.

[frostwyrm]

The Cubs can afford Nomar, Giles AND a starting pitcher. For that matter, I think the Cubs could also afford Nomar, Furcal, Giles and a starting pitcher.

 

The Cubs can afford all that? How much payroll is free for 2006?

[USSoccer]

I think the last thing the Cubs should do is put a guy with 2 straight years of leg injuries in a corner spot. Murton is more than capable of putting up an .800 OPS given full time in LF, and at a fraction of the cost. Nomar's only value for the Cubs would be as a SS or utility supersub.

 

I think Murton is capable of an 800 OPS, but I sure am not penciling him in at that number. I would expect him to provide at least a 750 OPS, and that would be fine at his cost, as long as they get production from the other corner spot.

 

It would have been fine to hand the LF job to Dubois this year, as long as they went with somebody much better than Burnitz.

 

Don't you think Murton's 2005 sample size at the ML level makes him much more of a sure thing than Dubois ever was?

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Don't you think Murton's 2005 sample size at the ML level makes him much more of a sure thing than Dubois ever was?

 

Murton has nothing to prove to me. If I'm the GM, he's my 2006 LF, end of story, I move on to more pressing matters like SP, bullpen, RF, CF and middle infield.

 

We have a lot of holes.

[USSoccer]

Don't you think Murton's 2005 sample size at the ML level makes him much more of a sure thing than Dubois ever was?

 

Murton has nothing to prove to me. If I'm the GM, he's my 2006 LF, end of story, I move on to more pressing matters like SP, bullpen, RF, CF and middle infield.

 

We have a lot of holes.

 

That's pretty much how I feel. If you run him out there everyday for 3 months and he struggles, make a move, but going into the year he's the left fielder.

 

Also, as you said, we do have a lto of holes, so if we have a chance at filling a OF spot at league minimum, we should be all over it.

[SCCubbieFAN]

I realize the Cubs have a great deal of money to throw around this offseason but a lot of you are acting like Giles is virtually a sure thing. As much as I wish that were true, I have seen nothing anywhere indicating he is even remotely interested in leaving the west coast and, if so, coming to the Cubs. But since money often is the top reason where a FA signs, Hendry will have to make an insane offer to land Giles, and we all know that is not his style.

[BigbadB]

I realize the Cubs have a great deal of money to throw around this offseason but a lot of you are acting like Giles is virtually a sure thing. As much as I wish that were true, I have seen nothing anywhere indicating he is even remotely interested in leaving the west coast and, if so, coming to the Cubs. But since money often is the top reason where a FA signs, Hendry will have to make an insane offer to land Giles, and we all know that is not his style.

 

You are correct. Giles is not a sure thing. However, San Diego lowballed David Wells in 2005 (another local boy) after he signed a very hometown discount in 2004. Wells left. Giles has also seen his offense take a pretty big hit playing in the pitcher friendly confines of Petco Park. Will he stay or will he go? There have been rumors that he'd like to play with his brother somewhere.

 

Why the Cubs wouldn't entertain insane offers to lure Giles is beyond me. He's exactly what this team needs. Lefty power hitter with outstanding plate patience. But, why would Giles want to come to Chicago. To leave San Diego (a team that made the playoffs this year), I would imagine he'd want to go to a team that would have a real good shot at making the playoffs. Another strike against the Cubs. The Cardinals are in that division and the Cubs seem to be moving backwards rather than forward.

 

The one thing the Cubs will have going for them is that they have more money to throw at him than most other teams. Not only will they need to spend that money, but they will have to wine him and dine him and show him how badly they want him to be a Cub. Otherwise, he could settle for less money to stay in San Diego, settle for less money to play in Atlanta with his brother, or settle for less money to play for a team that is serious about being competitive. So far, I have not seen the Cubs show much interest in Giles. I hope that changes.

 

I don't like the vibe I'm getting from management at this early stage of the offseason. They seem like they want better defense up the middle (Neifi at 2nd over Walker, Furcal or Cedeno at SS), a lead off hitter (Furcal once again), and better offense from CF (Preston Wilson). I have yet to hear that Burnitz has been cut loose. This scares me as well. Is it possible the Cubs could go into the season with.....

 

Furcal

Perez (why wouldn't Dusty bat him here?)

Lee

Aramis

Burnitz

Wilson

Barrett

Murton

 

I sure don't like it.

[MPrior]

Furcal

Perez (why wouldn't Dusty bat him here?)

Lee

Aramis

Burnitz

Wilson

Barrett

Murton

 

You just ruined my day.

[BigbadB]

Furcal

Perez (why wouldn't Dusty bat him here?)

Lee

Aramis

Burnitz

Wilson

Barrett

Murton

 

You just ruined my day.

 

Not to ruin your day any further, but there is no guarantee on Furcal, either. There are 29 other teams that will be hunting the free agent pile and the pickings are slim. Knowing the pickings are slim, when a team sees what they want, they will make their offers.

[USSoccer]

Furcal

Perez (why wouldn't Dusty bat him here?)

Lee

Aramis

Burnitz

Wilson

Barrett

Murton

 

You just ruined my day.

 

The sad part is if you flipped Murton and Perez, and replaced Burnitz with someone else, it's a better lineup than we had last year.

[Exile on Waveland]

Furcal

Perez (why wouldn't Dusty bat him here?)

Lee

Aramis

Burnitz

Wilson

Barrett

Murton

 

You just ruined my day.

 

Ugh. What makes it worse is that's close to what I expect to see. Now, it may not be Burnitz in RF, but I'm expecting someone Burnitz-like. And Cedeno possibly will be "named" the starting 2B, but, with Neifi around, I doubt that lasts long (unless he's absolutely awesome, which I doubt).

[MPrior]

The nice thing, I guess, is that this is really kind of a worst-case scenario. Hendry may not think in the same way we do, and thus may not see going after Giles as the no-brainer that many of us do, but he still typically makes some pretty bold moves (last offseason excepted, but that was really because of Sosa's contract). So I think he'll do more than signing Wilson and/or Furcal, even if it's not exactly what we want him to do.

[BigbadB]

The nice thing, I guess, is that this is really kind of a worst-case scenario. Hendry may not think in the same way we do, and thus may not see going after Giles as the no-brainer that many of us do, but he still typically makes some pretty bold moves (last offseason excepted, but that was really because of Sosa's contract). So I think he'll do more than signing Wilson and/or Furcal, even if it's not exactly what we want him to do.

 

It doesn't scare you just a little bit that they trotted Corey Patterson, Neifi Perez and Jose Macias out there at the top of the order all year long when better options were available? It sure scares me that this team doesn't seem to think there is a serious problem with the offense (lack of OBP).

 

To hear the press leaks for Preston Wilson and other leaks about not retaining Nomar or Walker leads me to believe that they don't think there is a problem. They seem to be all too interested in Furcal. But, I'll bet they are interested in Furcal because of his speed. Baker has been quoted as saying you need a speed guy at the top of the order. I wonder if they even know what Furcal's OBP was this past year. That's what is scary.

[TXCubsFan]

I realize the Cubs have a great deal of money to throw around this offseason but a lot of you are acting like Giles is virtually a sure thing. As much as I wish that were true, I have seen nothing anywhere indicating he is even remotely interested in leaving the west coast and, if so, coming to the Cubs. But since money often is the top reason where a FA signs, Hendry will have to make an insane offer to land Giles, and we all know that is not his style.

 

You are correct. Giles is not a sure thing. However, San Diego lowballed David Wells in 2005 (another local boy) after he signed a very hometown discount in 2004. Wells left. Giles has also seen his offense take a pretty big hit playing in the pitcher friendly confines of Petco Park. Will he stay or will he go? There have been rumors that he'd like to play with his brother somewhere.

 

Why the Cubs wouldn't entertain insane offers to lure Giles is beyond me. He's exactly what this team needs. Lefty power hitter with outstanding plate patience. But, why would Giles want to come to Chicago. To leave San Diego (a team that made the playoffs this year), I would imagine he'd want to go to a team that would have a real good shot at making the playoffs. Another strike against the Cubs. The Cardinals are in that division and the Cubs seem to be moving backwards rather than forward.

 

The one thing the Cubs will have going for them is that they have more money to throw at him than most other teams. Not only will they need to spend that money, but they will have to wine him and dine him and show him how badly they want him to be a Cub. Otherwise, he could settle for less money to stay in San Diego, settle for less money to play in Atlanta with his brother, or settle for less money to play for a team that is serious about being competitive. So far, I have not seen the Cubs show much interest in Giles. I hope that changes.

 

I don't like the vibe I'm getting from management at this early stage of the offseason. They seem like they want better defense up the middle (Neifi at 2nd over Walker, Furcal or Cedeno at SS), a lead off hitter (Furcal once again), and better offense from CF (Preston Wilson). I have yet to hear that Burnitz has been cut loose. This scares me as well. Is it possible the Cubs could go into the season with.....

 

Furcal

Perez (why wouldn't Dusty bat him here?)

Lee

Aramis

Burnitz

Wilson

Barrett

Murton

 

I sure don't like it.

 

I don't see Perez playing 2B over Cedeno. I don't see Burnitz and Wilson in the same OF. Remember, Burnitz was a very last minute addition last year. Hendry also would bring back Hairston and have him play CF until Pie is ready in mid-2006 rather than bring Wilson.

[BigbadB]

You don't see Neifi playing over Cedeno, but your not Dusty. I saw Neifi play over Cedeno quite often. More often than he should have. When games no longer meant anything other than a chance at a .500 season, I saw Cedeno sitting while Neifi played. As long as Dusty is in charge, you should be very leery of a situation where a rookie is battling a crafty (oops, I meant crappy) veteran.

[Jazz]

You don't see Neifi playing over Cedeno, but your not Dusty. I saw Neifi play over Cedeno quite often. More often than he should have. When games no longer meant anything other than a chance at a .500 season, I saw Cedeno sitting while Neifi played. As long as Dusty is in charge, you should be very leery of a situation where a rookie is battling a crafty (oops, I meant crappy) veteran.

 

this is why you hope that some team like Arizona will overpay for neifi (ugh that sounds bad saying that) "forcing" Jim to go after another option :D