Rumoured Cubs- Marlins/Cubs-Dodgers Trades

[CuseCubFan69]

I know Wilson is not a leadoff hitter, but neither is Corey Patterson, Neifi Perez, or Jose Macias.

 

Amen.

 

Yeah, good point. I'd love 180 Ks and a .320 OBP out of the leadoff spot. With about 25 solo HRs.

 

Really? I would have thought you would hate that?

[rawaction]

I know Wilson is not a leadoff hitter, but neither is Corey Patterson, Neifi Perez, or Jose Macias.

 

Amen.

 

Yeah, good point. I'd love 180 Ks and a .320 OBP out of the leadoff spot. With about 25 solo HRs.

 

Really? I would have thought you would hate that?

 

That's my sarcastic side.

[biittner77]

It may be wishful thinking but Preston Wilson seems more like a guy Hendry would bring in during the season rather than the offseason. The speculation about getting Wilson this past season had more to do with getting a bargain deal than Hendry tragetting him as someone he likes.

 

Hendry is a bargain hunter. Wilson is no bargain unless someone else is paying some/ most of his salary. When Hendry says he's going to address leadoff that means Furcal not Wilson.

[CuseCubFan69]

I know Wilson is not a leadoff hitter, but neither is Corey Patterson, Neifi Perez, or Jose Macias.

 

Amen.

 

Yeah, good point. I'd love 180 Ks and a .320 OBP out of the leadoff spot. With about 25 solo HRs.

 

Really? I would have thought you would hate that?

 

That's my sarcastic side.

 

Mine too.

[HoopsCubs]

It may be wishful thinking but Preston Wilson seems more like a guy Hendry would bring in during the season rather than the offseason. The speculation about getting Wilson this past season had more to do with getting a bargain deal than Hendry tragetting him as someone he likes.

 

Hendry is a bargain hunter. Wilson is no bargain unless someone else is paying some/ most of his salary. When Hendry says he's going to address leadoff that means Furcal not Wilson.

 

How would a Lofton/Hairston platoon leading off and playing CF, with Lugo batting 2nd and playing SS look if Hendry could simultaneously bring in a Giles, Abreu, Sheffield, Dunn or Burrell to play corner OF? These moves would leave plenty of money to go after Burnett or Millwood.

 

There are so many ways of thinking about this.

[frostwyrm]

I know Wilson is not a leadoff hitter, but neither is Corey Patterson, Neifi Perez, or Jose Macias.

 

Amen.

 

Yeah, good point. I'd love 180 Ks and a .320 OBP out of the leadoff spot. With about 25 solo HRs.

 

I don't want Wilson at all, and certainly not at leadoff, but I bet Dusty would use him there. I was just pointing out some other players who have been misused at 1-2 in the order.

[stitchface]

It may be wishful thinking but Preston Wilson seems more like a guy Hendry would bring in during the season rather than the offseason. The speculation about getting Wilson this past season had more to do with getting a bargain deal than Hendry tragetting him as someone he likes.

 

Hendry is a bargain hunter. Wilson is no bargain unless someone else is paying some/ most of his salary. When Hendry says he's going to address leadoff that means Furcal not Wilson.

 

How would a Lofton/Hairston platoon leading off and playing CF, with Lugo batting 2nd and playing SS look if Hendry could simultaneously bring in a Giles, Abreu, Sheffield, Dunn or Burrell to play corner OF? These moves would leave plenty of money to go after Burnett or Millwood.

 

There are so many ways of thinking about this.

 

 

sounds like the kind of out of the box thinking that wins world series. unfortunately I don't think hendry thinks that way.

[SeldomSeen]

Dare I say that I'm encouraged by Hendry's quote in Bruce Miles' latest offering?

 

“Philosophically, we’ll try to do a few things differently, try to get better in certain areas where we were deficient,” Hendry said.

 

Is it possible that the light has come on for Hendry regarding OBP? If we're throwing around the #'s, surely someone, somewhere, has called them to his attention. Please God, let this be the case.

[CubinNY]

Dare I say that I'm encouraged by Hendry's quote in Bruce Miles' latest offering?

 

“Philosophically, we’ll try to do a few things differently, try to get better in certain areas where we were deficient,” Hendry said.

 

Is it possible that the light has come on for Hendry regarding OBP? If we're throwing around the #'s, surely someone, somewhere, has called them to his attention. Please God, let this be the case.

 

It's weird, I read the exact same column and came away with the exact opposite impression.

 

Hendry said. “It was just a year we didn’t see coming, but it wasn’t out of any philosophical changes or things that we did differently the two years before that went well.

 

I take that to mean it was injuries and bad luck.

[RockTheIvy]

Dare I say that I'm encouraged by Hendry's quote in Bruce Miles' latest offering?

 

“Philosophically, we’ll try to do a few things differently, try to get better in certain areas where we were deficient,” Hendry said.

 

Is it possible that the light has come on for Hendry regarding OBP? If we're throwing around the #'s, surely someone, somewhere, has called them to his attention. Please God, let this be the case.

 

He's probably talking about Defense...

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Dare I say that I'm encouraged by Hendry's quote in Bruce Miles' latest offering?

 

“Philosophically, we’ll try to do a few things differently, try to get better in certain areas where we were deficient,” Hendry said.

 

Is it possible that the light has come on for Hendry regarding OBP? If we're throwing around the #'s, surely someone, somewhere, has called them to his attention. Please God, let this be the case.

 

It's weird, I read the exact same column and came away with the exact opposite impression.

 

Hendry said. “It was just a year we didn’t see coming, but it wasn’t out of any philosophical changes or things that we did differently the two years before that went well.

 

I take that to mean it was injuries and bad luck.

 

In context, Hendry is responding to a comparison of the seasons between the Cubs and the Sox. I think that informs a bit as to what he's talking about.

 

He's also saying that the Sox success won't make him do anything different that what he's already doing. In other words, the cubs would be making the same sort of moves or changes regardless of the success of the White Sox.

[SeldomSeen]

Dare I say that I'm encouraged by Hendry's quote in Bruce Miles' latest offering?

 

“Philosophically, we’ll try to do a few things differently, try to get better in certain areas where we were deficient,” Hendry said.

 

Is it possible that the light has come on for Hendry regarding OBP? If we're throwing around the #'s, surely someone, somewhere, has called them to his attention. Please God, let this be the case.

 

He's probably talking about Defense...

 

I guess I've never seen him use the P word before in reference to making changes.This is one instance where he didn't mention injuries as the main culprit. I'm still optimistic this early in the offseason, as they haven't yet had the opportunity to crush our hopes. Keep your fingers crossed.

[CubinNY]

Dare I say that I'm encouraged by Hendry's quote in Bruce Miles' latest offering?

 

“Philosophically, we’ll try to do a few things differently, try to get better in certain areas where we were deficient,” Hendry said.

 

Is it possible that the light has come on for Hendry regarding OBP? If we're throwing around the #'s, surely someone, somewhere, has called them to his attention. Please God, let this be the case.

 

It's weird, I read the exact same column and came away with the exact opposite impression.

 

Hendry said. “It was just a year we didn’t see coming, but it wasn’t out of any philosophical changes or things that we did differently the two years before that went well.

 

I take that to mean it was injuries and bad luck.

 

In context, Hendry is responding to a comparison of the seasons between the Cubs and the Sox. I think that informs a bit as to what he's talking about.

 

He's also saying that the Sox success won't make him do anything different that what he's already doing. In other words, the cubs would be making the same sort of moves or changes regardless of the success of the White Sox.

 

Maybe so Vance, but he goes on to say...

 

"You need hard work. You need a lot of help to do this job. And you need good fortune. Sometimes the best-laid plans don’t always work out. For us going into ’04, we thought we had it knocked, and it just didn’t work out. We never expected this year we’d be below .500. We have to move forward. There’s no sense looking back. We have a good nucleus to build around. Hopefully, we’ll add to it, stay healthy and make another run at it.”

 

To me that means no philosophical changes b/c it was bad fortune. Damn that fortune.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Dare I say that I'm encouraged by Hendry's quote in Bruce Miles' latest offering?

 

“Philosophically, we’ll try to do a few things differently, try to get better in certain areas where we were deficient,” Hendry said.

 

Is it possible that the light has come on for Hendry regarding OBP? If we're throwing around the #'s, surely someone, somewhere, has called them to his attention. Please God, let this be the case.

 

It's weird, I read the exact same column and came away with the exact opposite impression.

 

Hendry said. “It was just a year we didn’t see coming, but it wasn’t out of any philosophical changes or things that we did differently the two years before that went well.

 

I take that to mean it was injuries and bad luck.

 

In context, Hendry is responding to a comparison of the seasons between the Cubs and the Sox. I think that informs a bit as to what he's talking about.

 

He's also saying that the Sox success won't make him do anything different that what he's already doing. In other words, the cubs would be making the same sort of moves or changes regardless of the success of the White Sox.

 

Maybe so Vance, but he goes on to say...

 

You need hard work. You need a lot of help to do this job. And you need good fortune. Sometimes the best-laid plans don’t always work out. For us going into ’04, we thought we had it knocked, and it just didn’t work out. We never expected this year we’d be below .500. We have to move forward. There’s no sense looking back. We have a good nucleus to build around. Hopefully, we’ll add to it, stay healthy and make another run at it.”

 

To me that means no philosophical changes b/c it was bad fortune. Damn that fortune.

 

That quote sounds a little despondent to me, and he should be. I think he's saying that 2005 didn't happen because of lack of desire or because they didn't try. They thought they had done the right things, but it unravled. I also think he is saying that you need good plans and good luck. The Cubs had neither in 2005. Hopefully, Hendry will fix the part he can (the plan), and let the fortune take care of itself.

[UBlink]

Maybe so Vance, but he goes on to say...

 

"You need hard work. You need a lot of help to do this job. And you need good fortune. Sometimes the best-laid plans don’t always work out. For us going into ’04, we thought we had it knocked, and it just didn’t work out. We never expected this year we’d be below .500. We have to move forward. There’s no sense looking back. We have a good nucleus to build around. Hopefully, we’ll add to it, stay healthy and make another run at it.”

 

To me that means no philosophical changes b/c it was bad fortune. Damn that fortune.

 

I'm discouraged by the comment that "there's no sense looking back." That's how you learn. Why didn't you get the results you anticipated? What could have been done differently? Look at your competitors to see if you can identify best practices. The last several weeks should have been primarily focused on looking back, to update and improve the decision process going forward.

[BigbadB]

I think it means "dude, we need more speed at the top of the line up", get Alex Sanchez on the phone.

 

Unfortunately, I'm being serious at this point. It's not the OBP they think they need at the top of the line up, but rather speed.

 

Someone please dig up at least one article that discusses that they know they need a better OBP at the top of the line up setting up the best hitters. I don't think you will find one.

[David]

I think it means "dude, we need more speed at the top of the line up", get Alex Sanchez on the phone.

 

Unfortunately, I'm being serious at this point. It's not the OBP they think they need at the top of the line up, but rather speed.

 

Someone please dig up at least one article that discusses that they know they need a better OBP at the top of the line up setting up the best hitters. I don't think you will find one.

 

If all they wanted was speed at the top, they could've stuck with Patterson in the leadoff role.

[goonys evil twin]

I think it means "dude, we need more speed at the top of the line up", get Alex Sanchez on the phone.

 

Unfortunately, I'm being serious at this point. It's not the OBP they think they need at the top of the line up, but rather speed.

 

Someone please dig up at least one article that discusses that they know they need a better OBP at the top of the line up setting up the best hitters. I don't think you will find one.

 

If all they wanted was speed at the top, they could've stuck with Patterson in the leadoff role.

 

Speed and contact is what they want. Unfortunately, neither of those is guaranteed to equal production.

[David]

Totally unrelated.. but does everyone realise that Jeff Blauser would've been a better leadoff option than just about anybody we used in 2005? And that includes his two big bust years as a Cub.

 

I remember how happy I was that we signed him and his .400 OBP (1997)...while most just figured that we were just signing an old Cub killer.

 

Anyway, the point was that as bad as he was those two years with us, he still put up OBP's of .340 and .347... Just goes to show just how sad our leadoff situation was this year.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Would someone please tell Dusty and company that speed doesn't generate the same number of runs OBP does. It's absolutely amazing to me that the Cubs put such crappy teams on the field with a $100M payroll...oh, wait, it's called overspending for the wrong commodities, like speed and team chemistry. :oops:

[Fanzones trumpet]

I think it means "dude, we need more speed at the top of the line up", get Alex Sanchez on the phone.

 

Unfortunately, I'm being serious at this point. It's not the OBP they think they need at the top of the line up, but rather speed.

 

Someone please dig up at least one article that discusses that they know they need a better OBP at the top of the line up setting up the best hitters. I don't think you will find one.

 

I'm all for getting better OBP, but I'm having a tough time understanding why that is the biggest problem on the team. The Houston Astros scored 9 fewer runs than the Cubs this year, and the White Sox, when the DH is factored in, were no better offensively than the Cubs.

[goonys evil twin]

I think it means "dude, we need more speed at the top of the line up", get Alex Sanchez on the phone.

 

Unfortunately, I'm being serious at this point. It's not the OBP they think they need at the top of the line up, but rather speed.

 

Someone please dig up at least one article that discusses that they know they need a better OBP at the top of the line up setting up the best hitters. I don't think you will find one.

 

I'm all for getting better OBP, but I'm having a tough time understanding why that is the biggest problem on the team. The Houston Astros scored 9 fewer runs than the Cubs this year, and the White Sox, when the DH is factored in, were no better offensively than the Cubs.

 

Yeah, and the Cardinals and Red Sox blew the Cubs away offensively last year. You can find a team to defend your position if you try hard enough. The point is, over time, great OBP gives you a great chance to score more runs, and scoring more runs is good. The Cubs need pitching to, but they can't go out and sign Clemens and Oswalt. And there's no guarantee that the Sox staff will be nearly as good next year. A small step back next season, and that team will suffer big time if that offense stays lackluster.

[UK1679666180]

I'm all for getting better OBP, but I'm having a tough time understanding why that is the biggest problem on the team. The Houston Astros scored 9 fewer runs than the Cubs this year, and the White Sox, when the DH is factored in, were no better offensively than the Cubs.

 

Pitching, pitching, and more pitching.

 

The need to improve their offense as well as their pitching.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm all for getting better OBP, but I'm having a tough time understanding why that is the biggest problem on the team. The Houston Astros scored 9 fewer runs than the Cubs this year, and the White Sox, when the DH is factored in, were no better offensively than the Cubs.

 

Pitching, pitching, and more pitching.

 

The need to improve their offense as well as their pitching.

 

What's the deal with your sig? I love close games.

[BigbadB]

I think it means "dude, we need more speed at the top of the line up", get Alex Sanchez on the phone.

 

Unfortunately, I'm being serious at this point. It's not the OBP they think they need at the top of the line up, but rather speed.

 

Someone please dig up at least one article that discusses that they know they need a better OBP at the top of the line up setting up the best hitters. I don't think you will find one.

 

If all they wanted was speed at the top, they could've stuck with Patterson in the leadoff role.

 

In 2005, Patterson got in 18 games (3rd most on the team) as the #2 hitter .179/.220 and 32 games (2nd most on the team) as the lead off hitter .211/.263.

 

If he hit .275 AVG (not OBP), I'm not so sure he ever would have lost that job. This team doesn't focus on OBP. They focus on speed and contact at the top of the order. Patterson got 441 out of 631 total at bats as the lead off hitter or #2 hitter in 2004. That's more than 2/3 of a season.

 

Bellhorn was one of the best OBP guys to lead off that this team has seen in the 2000's. The day Baker took over, Bellhorn lost that job. He neither had speed or contact. He was all about OBP. Patterson has been in and out of games for the Cubs since 2000. He has a career .293 OBP.

 

I rest my case.