Rumoured Cubs- Marlins/Cubs-Dodgers Trades

[erik316wttn]

Defensively, Castillo/Furcal is an enormous upgrade

 

But defense is not the reason this team didn't win enough games this year.

 

Not saying you are wrong, but I can think of 3 games off the top of my head that the defense cost us. An improved defense should be one of our concerns, especially up the middle.

 

Ok, you can name 3 that D cost us. I don't doubt that you can, and I'm sure they were all legit.

 

However, about 10 come to mind right off the top of my head that lack of timely hitting cost us.

 

Okay.

 

Hawkins threw away the comeback line drive. That cost us one.

 

Macias in CF against the Mets probably cost us the Zambrano Sunday night game, since the Mets ran on his "arm" at every opportunity. And that's aside from his routes to the ball. There's 2.

 

Perez had a 2 error game in May, I think, that cost us a win.

 

Barrett's botched rundown in Philly.

 

There's 3. :P

 

Isn't that 4? :?

 

Apparently counting is not one of USSoccer's strong suits. :wink:

[USSoccer]

Defensively, Castillo/Furcal is an enormous upgrade

 

But defense is not the reason this team didn't win enough games this year.

 

Not saying you are wrong, but I can think of 3 games off the top of my head that the defense cost us. An improved defense should be one of our concerns, especially up the middle.

 

Ok, you can name 3 that D cost us. I don't doubt that you can, and I'm sure they were all legit.

 

However, about 10 come to mind right off the top of my head that lack of timely hitting cost us.

 

Okay.

 

Hawkins threw away the comeback line drive. That cost us one.

 

Macias in CF against the Mets probably cost us the Zambrano Sunday night game, since the Mets ran on his "arm" at every opportunity. And that's aside from his routes to the ball. There's 2.

 

Perez had a 2 error game in May, I think, that cost us a win.

 

Barrett's botched rundown in Philly.

 

There's 3. :P

 

Isn't that 4? :?

 

Apparently counting is not one of USSoccer's strong suits. :wink:

 

Well, I am the Rich Hill of the board.

[CoolHandLuke]

Take "team chemistry", write it on a kleenex, and blow your nose on it. That's about what it's worth.

 

 

You could probably say the same thing about the "talent" to get timely hits.

[sandberg23]

Okay.

 

Hawkins threw away the comeback line drive. That cost us one.

 

Macias in CF against the Mets probably cost us the Zambrano Sunday night game, since the Mets ran on his "arm" at every opportunity. And that's aside from his routes to the ball. There's 2.

 

Perez had a 2 error game in May, I think, that cost us a win.

 

Barrett's botched rundown in Philly.

 

There's 3. :P

 

Isn't that 4? :?

 

Apparently counting is not one of USSoccer's strong suits. :wink:

 

Well, I am the Rich Hill of the board.

 

Haha :lol:

[Guancous]

I don't see a problem with getting Bradley. Worst case scenario is that he melts down and costs Baker his job. The best case scenario is that he has a .900 OPS season and remains calm. There doesn't appear to be any instigators like Jeff Kent floating around. I would like to see Murton in LF, Bradley in CF, and someone passable to keep a spot ready for Pie. It's a lot easier to find a corner outfielder than a CF.

[CoolHandLuke]

I don't see a problem with getting Bradley. Worst case scenario is that he melts down and costs Baker his job. The best case scenario is that he has a .900 OPS season and remains calm. There doesn't appear to be any instigators like Jeff Kent floating around. I would like to see Murton in LF, Bradley in CF, and someone passable to keep a spot ready for Pie. It's a lot easier to find a corner outfielder than a CF.

 

are you saying you want Burnitz back?

[YearofDaCubs]

I'm not a huge fan of Lowe but acquiring Milton Bradley and Luis Castillo would be huge. All we would need is another bat in RF and we would be stacked.

[nilodnayr]

I'm not a huge fan of Lowe but acquiring Milton Bradley and Luis Castillo would be huge. All we would need is another bat in RF and we would be stacked.

I am not convinced that Wood will comeback 100% healthy and be able to contribute a full season, nor do I think anyone else can be certain. I'd like to think so, and I hope so, and I think theres a good chance, but this team cannot win with Williams, Maddux, and Guzman/Mitre in the rotation. I'd rather go the safe route and pick up another sure thing starter. Lowe is a good bet to do well in Wrigley with his extreme sinker. I like Nomar and I think his defensive deficiencies are overrated, so I'd be just fine with him at short, however I wouldnt mind giving Cedeno the job and using that money to make sure we sign Giles. However, I think if LA is taking money off their books its for the very specific reason of signing Giles themselves.

[NorthsideAvenger]

I don't see a problem with getting Bradley. Worst case scenario is that he melts down and costs Baker his job. The best case scenario is that he has a .900 OPS season and remains calm. There doesn't appear to be any instigators like Jeff Kent floating around. I would like to see Murton in LF, Bradley in CF, and someone passable to keep a spot ready for Pie. It's a lot easier to find a corner outfielder than a CF.

 

are you saying you want Burnitz back?

 

I love Milton Bradley's game (especially Monopoly, had to do it), cause how many switch-hitting OFers can put up .300/.350+ with 20-25 homeruns, and 30-35 SB, with gold glove caliber plays? How many are there in baseball? This is one of the few players that Corey has been compare to as a ballplayer. I understand the mental risks that come with Bradley, but this is low risk/high reward type deal that the Cubs should invest in. This kid is a competitior, maybe too intense, but this kid plays the game hard. That's the kind of player we need.

[CubfaninCA]

I just don't see the Cubs trading for Bradley or LA trading Lowe. Lowe had a really good 2nd half and that rotation isn't too deep. They'll probably lose Weaver, Perez hates the lack of offensive support and Edwin Jackson imploded.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

FWIW, Lowe is screwing around with one of the bimbettes from Fox Sports West in LA, not one of the Dodger beat writers.

 

Reporter Carolyn Hughes, from what Derek's wife has said.

[CubfaninCA]

Hoops has Jerome Williams name come up in this rumor?? Now if he went to LA, I can see more of a possibility. Jmo but DePo will probably get torn apart if all he gets is Lowell and a prospect. At least Williams has big league experience.

 

If Bradley is dealt to the Cubs, get ready for Murton in LF, Pie in CF and Bradley in RF.

[E.J.]

FWIW, Lowe is screwing around with one of the bimbettes from Fox Sports West in LA, not one of the Dodger beat writers.

 

Reporter Carolyn Hughes, from what Derek's wife has said.

 

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[SAMMYWHO]

Let me put it a little clearer. I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH MILTON BRADLEY AND HIS APPARENT DISLIKE FOR WHITE PEOPLE, TRASHING OF TEAMMATES, ARGUEING WITH FANS IN THE OUTFIELD OR MENTAL BREAKDOWNS. NOTHING, PERIOD. Sorry if I started my post wrong Tim but Milton Bradley can go to the looney bin for all I care. Not even Dusty deserves having to deal with that. Hope I was clear this time.

[BigbadB]

Defensively, Castillo/Furcal is an enormous upgrade

 

But defense is not the reason this team didn't win enough games this year.

 

Not saying you are wrong, but I can think of 3 games off the top of my head that the defense cost us. An improved defense should be one of our concerns, especially up the middle.

 

Ok, you can name 3 that D cost us. I don't doubt that you can, and I'm sure they were all legit.

 

However, about 10 come to mind right off the top of my head that lack of timely hitting cost us.

 

Okay.

 

Hawkins threw away the comeback line drive. That cost us one.

 

Macias in CF against the Mets probably cost us the Zambrano Sunday night game, since the Mets ran on his "arm" at every opportunity. And that's aside from his routes to the ball. There's 2.

 

Perez had a 2 error game in May, I think, that cost us a win.

 

Barrett's botched rundown in Philly.

 

There's 3. :P

 

Not to get nitpicky, but doesn't the fact that Macias, Perez and Hawkins were playing in these games sort of give one the impression it wasn't just defense that cost us those victories? :wink:

[USSoccer]

Defensively, Castillo/Furcal is an enormous upgrade

 

But defense is not the reason this team didn't win enough games this year.

 

Not saying you are wrong, but I can think of 3 games off the top of my head that the defense cost us. An improved defense should be one of our concerns, especially up the middle.

 

Ok, you can name 3 that D cost us. I don't doubt that you can, and I'm sure they were all legit.

 

However, about 10 come to mind right off the top of my head that lack of timely hitting cost us.

 

Okay.

 

Hawkins threw away the comeback line drive. That cost us one.

 

Macias in CF against the Mets probably cost us the Zambrano Sunday night game, since the Mets ran on his "arm" at every opportunity. And that's aside from his routes to the ball. There's 2.

 

Perez had a 2 error game in May, I think, that cost us a win.

 

Barrett's botched rundown in Philly.

 

There's 3. :P

 

Not to get nitpicky, but doesn't the fact that Macias, Perez and Hawkins were playing in these games sort of give one the impression it wasn't just defense that cost us those victories? :wink:

 

Oh yeah, that's a whole other story altogether, isn't it? :D

[erik316wttn]

I worry that if that trade goes down that Lowe's contract will become an albatross near the end of his deal.

 

What would payroll be if in fact it would go down? About how much money would we have left to fill the other holes?

[USSoccer]

I worry that if that trade goes down that Lowe's contract will become an albatross near the end of his deal.

 

What would payroll be if in fact it would go down? About how much money would we have left to fill the other holes?

 

I think we'd have bout $22m left, if my math is right...

[erik316wttn]

I worry that if that trade goes down that Lowe's contract will become an albatross near the end of his deal.

 

What would payroll be if in fact it would go down? About how much money would we have left to fill the other holes?

 

I think we'd have bout $22m left, if my math is right...

 

For what? a RF'er, a SS, and a couple of pen arms and bench guys?

 

Pretty good if that's the case. We could still make a run at Giles.

Edited October 18, 2005 by erik316wttn

[craig]

...Financially, the Marlins free up a lot of payroll to pay Carlos Delgado's salary bump; the Dodgers trade 2 clubhouse problems and get some payroll flexibility in exchange for an everyday 3B; the Cubs spend $22M of their available $40M on a CF, 2B (who can bat 1-2) and a 200 inning sinker baller.

 

Hoops

 

I'm 8 pages behind on this thread, and don't expect there's any substance to this alleged rumor constructred by unknown unreliable sources.

 

But Lowe touches on a favorite subject of mine. Lowe is noted as a sinkerballer, which is normally inferred to be an asset. A low-K low-walk sinkerballer who gives up a lot of hits but gives up few HR's because of his sinker can be a huge asset.

 

But a low-K sinkerballer who's giving up lots of hits and also gives up lots of HR's can be a disaster.

 

Just because a guy is GB-oriented does *not* mean he doesn't give up plenty of HR's. On hanging sinkers, I suppose.

 

Lowe gave up *28* HR's this year, while pitching in pitcher-friendly HR-unfriendly LA. That's a *lot* of HR's. The combo of lots of hits (it's been 4 years since Lowe has allowed fewer hits than innings...) and lots of HR's is a combustible combo. Be careful what you wish for....

 

All that said, Lowe has often *not* allowed all *that* many HR's. In Boston his HR-allowed were often pretty respectable. Had his HR-allowed been normal this past season, his ERA would have been a lot more impressive.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Let me put it a little clearer. I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH MILTON BRADLEY AND HIS APPARENT DISLIKE FOR WHITE PEOPLE, TRASHING OF TEAMMATES, ARGUEING WITH FANS IN THE OUTFIELD OR MENTAL BREAKDOWNS. NOTHING, PERIOD. Sorry if I started my post wrong Tim but Milton Bradley can go to the looney bin for all I care. Not even Dusty deserves having to deal with that. Hope I was clear this time.

 

Welcome to the forum, Mr. Kent.

[jtownie]

...Financially, the Marlins free up a lot of payroll to pay Carlos Delgado's salary bump; the Dodgers trade 2 clubhouse problems and get some payroll flexibility in exchange for an everyday 3B; the Cubs spend $22M of their available $40M on a CF, 2B (who can bat 1-2) and a 200 inning sinker baller.

 

Hoops

 

I'm 8 pages behind on this thread, and don't expect there's any substance to this alleged rumor constructred by unknown unreliable sources.

 

But Lowe touches on a favorite subject of mine. Lowe is noted as a sinkerballer, which is normally inferred to be an asset. A low-K low-walk sinkerballer who gives up a lot of hits but gives up few HR's because of his sinker can be a huge asset.

 

But a low-K sinkerballer who's giving up lots of hits and also gives up lots of HR's can be a disaster.

 

Just because a guy is GB-oriented does *not* mean he doesn't give up plenty of HR's. On hanging sinkers, I suppose.

 

Lowe gave up *28* HR's this year, while pitching in pitcher-friendly HR-unfriendly LA. That's a *lot* of HR's. The combo of lots of hits (it's been 4 years since Lowe has allowed fewer hits than innings...) and lots of HR's is a combustible combo. Be careful what you wish for....

 

All that said, Lowe has often *not* allowed all *that* many HR's. In Boston his HR-allowed were often pretty respectable. Had his HR-allowed been normal this past season, his ERA would have been a lot more impressive.

 

in 110.2 innings at home he gave up 16HRs. In 111.1 innings pitching Away he gave up 12 HRs.

 

Dodger Stadium didn't really help him much.

 

Quick question about Dodger Stadium. I hear a lot of announcers talk about certain times of the day when it's a lot easier to hit a HR at Dodger Stadium. Has anyone else heard this?

[YearofDaCubs]

I'm not a huge fan of Lowe but acquiring Milton Bradley and Luis Castillo would be huge. All we would need is another bat in RF and we would be stacked.

I am not convinced that Wood will comeback 100% healthy and be able to contribute a full season, nor do I think anyone else can be certain. I'd like to think so, and I hope so, and I think theres a good chance, but this team cannot win with Williams, Maddux, and Guzman/Mitre in the rotation. I'd rather go the safe route and pick up another sure thing starter. Lowe is a good bet to do well in Wrigley with his extreme sinker. I like Nomar and I think his defensive deficiencies are overrated, so I'd be just fine with him at short, however I wouldnt mind giving Cedeno the job and using that money to make sure we sign Giles. However, I think if LA is taking money off their books its for the very specific reason of signing Giles themselves.

Great points.

[BigbadB]

It's all about the marine layer, Craig. The same can be said for San Fran, Oakland, Seattle, San Diego and Anaheim. There is a heavy air that comes in off the ocean late every afternoon. It would always be there, actually, if the sun didn't burn it off early in the day.

 

This marine layer just absolutely kills a balls flight. Day games on the west coast are typically higher scoring, because the marine layer hasn't settled in yet. It doesn't always hold true, but it's pretty typical.

 

There is no set time that the marine layer settles in either. On a typical summer day, it may not roll in until after sunset. A night game starting at 7pm might be high scoring until the sun sets and the marine layer starts covering the stadium at 8:30pm, or about the midpoint of a game. In this instance, you may see high scoring early in the game, and next to nothing once the heavy air settles in.

 

It's weird, but it's also a legit problem.

[Magnetic Curses]

It's all about the marine layer, Craig. The same can be said for San Fran, Oakland, Seattle, San Diego and Anaheim. There is a heavy air that comes in off the ocean late every afternoon. It would always be there, actually, if the sun didn't burn it off early in the day.

 

This marine layer just absolutely kills a balls flight. Day games on the west coast are typically higher scoring, because the marine layer hasn't settled in yet. It doesn't always hold true, but it's pretty typical.

 

There is no set time that the marine layer settles in either. On a typical summer day, it may not roll in until after sunset. A night game starting at 7pm might be high scoring until the sun sets and the marine layer starts covering the stadium at 8:30pm, or about the midpoint of a game. In this instance, you may see high scoring early in the game, and next to nothing once the heavy air settles in.

 

It's weird, but it's also a legit problem.

 

in san diego, i heard that it has something to do with high winds knocking long flies down in left. is there anything to this as well?