Rumoured Cubs- Marlins/Cubs-Dodgers Trades

[CoolHandLuke]

Wow, I would be insanely happy if this deal went down. Especialy if Giles ends up on the Northside. Would it work out financially to sign Furcal and Giles because it seems that Jim is really set on Furcal. If it is not then I would much prefer Cedeno and Giles. Also I'm sure there is someone out there who we could spin Lowe off to. How reputable are the people that you heard this rumor from?

[Jehrico]

I'd rather take Odalis over Lowe...I wonder if we shipped Corey to LA in the deal, if we could upgrade from Lowe to Perez? That makes it a little more fair for LA, IMO, and we make out better. LA will need a CFer after losing Bradley, and we'll have an excess, so it washes out.

 

I wouldn't mind getting Bradley...if anything, it'll validate Baker as a "Player's Manager" during the last year of his contract. If anyone can keep Bradley straight, Baker is supposed to be the guy.

[imb]

Why would DePodesta do this?

[TB_11]

It does free up money for LA to pursue AJ Burnett and Johnny Damon.

 

To your point, Bradley figures to make $4-5M as an arbitration eligible guy; Lowe will be making $9M; Lowell will be making $9M. Essentially, the Dodgers will be giving away guys making $13-14M for a guy making $7M (Cubs picking up $2M). That's a $6-7M upside for LA, which could be used on a lot of things. By the way, I have heard the Dodgers are trying to lure Paul Byrd up 30 miles - they like his mental make-up.

 

Hoops

 

Nice breakdown of the money situation for the Dodgers. I could see PD considering the deal then to get two clubhouse problems off the team, and to get out of Lowe's contract (although they did just sign him last year).

[USSoccer]

Why would DePodesta do this?

 

Maybe DePodesta wants extra money to pursue Burnett, Damon or Millwood. Or maybe he wants to get rid of divisive players

[goonys evil twin]

If this trade went down, it would indicate to me that the Cubs are looking to improve the defense significantly. I'd guess that Furcal would still be the big FA target in that case, which would make the Cubs pretty spectacular up the middle. The pitching would be pretty well set in the rotation. All it would really take would be a strong RF and one more reliever to make it a great offseason.

 

That would be a very impressive offseason. And I'd be pleasantly suprised if it happened.

 

As far as Milton Bradley being insane, the White Sox have dealt pretty well with Carl Everett, who's no model of mental health. I think Bradley just needs to be on a winning team in a supportive enviroment.

My concern would be that Hendry wouldn't see the need for a big-time RF if he made the trade and landed Furcal.

 

That would be my major concern after those deals. It would be an upgrade no doubt, but not an enormous one. Plus, I could see Jim being extremely satisfied with the team after those moves, then exercising Burnitz' ugly option (when does that have to happen?). I would not be happy with that OF.

[gflore34]

If this trade went down, it would indicate to me that the Cubs are looking to improve the defense significantly. I'd guess that Furcal would still be the big FA target in that case, which would make the Cubs pretty spectacular up the middle. The pitching would be pretty well set in the rotation. All it would really take would be a strong RF and one more reliever to make it a great offseason.

 

That would be a very impressive offseason. And I'd be pleasantly suprised if it happened.

 

As far as Milton Bradley being insane, the White Sox have dealt pretty well with Carl Everett, who's no model of mental health. I think Bradley just needs to be on a winning team in a supportive enviroment.

My concern would be that Hendry wouldn't see the need for a big-time RF if he made the trade and landed Furcal.

 

That would be my major concern after those deals. It would be an upgrade no doubt, but not an enormous one. Plus, I could see Jim being extremely satisfied with the team after those moves, then exercising Burnitz' ugly option (when does that have to happen?). I would not be happy with that OF.

 

Defensively, Castillo/Furcal is an enormous upgrade

[goonys evil twin]

Defensively, Castillo/Furcal is an enormous upgrade

 

But defense is not the reason this team didn't win enough games this year.

[USSoccer]

If this trade went down, it would indicate to me that the Cubs are looking to improve the defense significantly. I'd guess that Furcal would still be the big FA target in that case, which would make the Cubs pretty spectacular up the middle. The pitching would be pretty well set in the rotation. All it would really take would be a strong RF and one more reliever to make it a great offseason.

 

That would be a very impressive offseason. And I'd be pleasantly suprised if it happened.

 

As far as Milton Bradley being insane, the White Sox have dealt pretty well with Carl Everett, who's no model of mental health. I think Bradley just needs to be on a winning team in a supportive enviroment.

My concern would be that Hendry wouldn't see the need for a big-time RF if he made the trade and landed Furcal.

 

That would be my major concern after those deals. It would be an upgrade no doubt, but not an enormous one. Plus, I could see Jim being extremely satisfied with the team after those moves, then exercising Burnitz' ugly option (when does that have to happen?). I would not be happy with that OF.

 

What would the RC difference be between Furcal, Castillo and Bradley vs the 1005 CF's, SS's and 2B we had?

 

I agree that I wouldn't be thrilled with that OF, but would the defense/pitching be improved enough to make up for lacking a good RF?

[Tim]

I'm not sure it would win us a lot more games. However - with Furcal, Castillo & Lee on the IF, I might go to Vegas and put money on Carlos winning the Cy Young, though.

[Schwarber Fan]

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=P~

[USSoccer]

Defensively, Castillo/Furcal is an enormous upgrade

 

But defense is not the reason this team didn't win enough games this year.

 

Not saying you are wrong, but I can think of 3 games off the top of my head that the defense cost us. An improved defense should be one of our concerns, especially up the middle.

[CuseCubFan69]

Lowe is a clubhouse problem?

 

We'd better not be giving Murton to the Marlins in that deal.

 

The "problem" stems from an allegation that Lowe (who is married) has been having an affair with a Dodgers beat reporter, which has caused some awkward moments in that clubhouse. That's what I have been told.

 

what? sleeping with the woman that is trashing your teammates in the local newspaper would cause a problem? Shheeesh...over-sensitive! :D

 

A woman? I thought it was Charlie Stiener.

[gflore34]

Defensively, Castillo/Furcal is an enormous upgrade

 

But defense is not the reason this team didn't win enough games this year.

 

True enough but, if Hendry' going to go the pitching/defensive route, it makes sense.

[RynoRules]

So to summarize:

 

Cubs lose: Walker, Nolasco, 1 outfield prospect, 1 pitching prospect, $2M

Cubs get: Castillo, Bradley, Lowe

 

Marlins lose: Lowell, Castillo

Marlins get: Walker, Nolasco, 1 outfield prospect

 

Dodgers lose: Bradley, Lowe

Dodgers get: Lowell, 1 pitching prospect, $2M

 

The Cubs make out like bandits and the Dodgers get shellacked on that deal. I can't see the Dodgers pulling the gun on that trade.

 

I see what you mean about LA getting fleeced, but DePo is a from the Beane school, and those guys love increased payroll flexibility. Whatever Lowell is making is ofset by 2 mill. Thus they plug up their problem at 3B, and leave plenty of room to go out and get a more "Moneyballish" OFer to fill CF.

 

Its the classic salary dump.

 

As a Cubs fan, anything that gets us a true leadoff man and fifth starter who won't get hurt makes me happy.

 

And BTW, I think if someone could get hiom to concentrate and not act like a jacka**, Bradley really has .900 OPS potential.

Edited October 17, 2005 by RynoRules

[CuseCubFan69]

I see nothing wrong with getting players that can hit AND play defense. What a novel concept.

[RynoRules]

I see nothing wrong with getting players that can hit AND play defense. What a novel concept.

 

\:D/

[goonys evil twin]

Defensively, Castillo/Furcal is an enormous upgrade

 

But defense is not the reason this team didn't win enough games this year.

 

Not saying you are wrong, but I can think of 3 games off the top of my head that the defense cost us. An improved defense should be one of our concerns, especially up the middle.

 

Every team's fans can think back at a few games that were lost due to defensive miscues. It wasn't defense that hurt this ballclub, it was the same quantifiable problems that have plagued this team for years, no walks or OBP on offense, too many walks given up by the pitchers. Solve those two problems and this team will go somewhere. Ignore them, and focus on other things, and they'll still struggle.

[CuseCubFan69]

If this rumor happens, I think I like it. Of course, I'd prefer to spend the next chunk of that 40 million on Giles rather than Furcal.

 

If we sign Furcal instead of Giles,

 

We'd have a line-up of:

 

2b Furcal

SS Castillo

1b Lee

3b Ramirez

CF Bradley

LF Murton

C Barrett

RF (maybe Burnitz, maybe Jacque Jones, maybe Hidalgo)

 

On the other hand, if we spend the money on Giles

 

2B Castillo

LF Murton

1b Lee

RF Giles

3b Ramirez

CF Bradley

SS Cedeno

C Barrett

 

That offense could score some runs!

 

The rotation with this trade looks to be:

Zambrano

Prior

Wood

Maddux

Lowe

 

That's not a bad rotation and it still has Jerome Williams and Mitre as back-ups to injury or as bullets to use in a trade.

 

Could the Cubs afford Manny after doing this?

[USSoccer]

Defensively, Castillo/Furcal is an enormous upgrade

 

But defense is not the reason this team didn't win enough games this year.

 

Not saying you are wrong, but I can think of 3 games off the top of my head that the defense cost us. An improved defense should be one of our concerns, especially up the middle.

 

Every team's fans can think back at a few games that were lost due to defensive miscues. It wasn't defense that hurt this ballclub, it was the same quantifiable problems that have plagued this team for years, no walks or OBP on offense, too many walks given up by the pitchers. Solve those two problems and this team will go somewhere. Ignore them, and focus on other things, and they'll still struggle.

 

But aren't Bradley, Furcal and Castillo upgrades in the OBP department?

[RockTheIvy]

Not saying that this wouldn't be a sweet trade, but what would some ideas be for RF? Giles still? Maybe another trade for Wilkerson or Guillen? Nomar? I just don't wanna see Jim say, "Well we upgraded at x, y and z, why not resign Burnitz..."

[TheDude]

Defensively, Castillo/Furcal is an enormous upgrade

 

But defense is not the reason this team didn't win enough games this year.

I think with the Cubs current pitching staff, and the projection of adding another sinkerballer to the rotation, defesne is always a concern for this team.

 

Playing the "what if" game, if Prior, Zambrano, and Wood all pitched 30 games last year (2005), we could possibly make an argument for defense costing the team more wins.

 

A staff of Prior, Wood, Zambrano, Maddux, and Lowe is a staff of all prior all-star pitchers, half with perennial all-star potential going forward. With a killer defense, this team should only need to score 4 runs per game to win 90+.

[TheDude]

I'm not sure it would win us a lot more games. However - with Furcal, Castillo & Lee on the IF, I might go to Vegas and put money on Carlos winning the Cy Young, though.

Absolutely. I'd put the money on Lee for the gold glove also.

[Schwarber Fan]

Anyone up for talking abut this in Flashchat?

 

I'll be there

[USSoccer]

Anyone up for talking abut this in Flashchat?

 

I'll be there

 

i cant use it at work :x