Derek Lee - 100 EXBHs

[chopsx9]

I just noticed Lee has good shot at 100 extra base hits (3 short I think). I took a quick look and did not look like anyone else had a realistic shot this year. Bonds and Sosa did it once each and were not all that close in other years. Arod has not done it, nor Griffey, Vlad or Manny. Does anyone know how rare this is? Or which other players have reached 100?

[Tim]

There's a minor leaguer for Anaheim who did it in five months this year.

 

But I'm not sure at the major league level.

[illiniguy]

There's a minor leaguer for Anaheim who did it in five months this year.

 

But I'm not sure at the major league level.

brandon wood. Ah I think that Albert Belle did the year he had 50 homers and 50 doubles. actually i am sure he did once I use my calculator. :oops:

[sonofsamiam]

If he does it, it will be the 16th season, and he will be the 13th individual player, to have done so:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/XBH_season.shtml

 

It's a pretty impressive accomplishment.

[rawaction]

Yeah, but how many sac bunts does he have? How often does he advance runners from 2nd with less than 2 outs? How many of those extra base hits came with the game on the line?

 

 

 

*arguments heard when Sammy Sosa was accomplishing the same feat*

[BigbadB]

I'm curious if Lee makes it whether he will have made it with the fewest RBI's.

 

I believe I'll go look that up.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm curious if Lee makes it whether he will have made it with the fewest RBI's.

 

I believe I'll go look that up.

 

I was thinking the same thing. Didn't Sosa have over 30 HR's and less than 100 RBI's?

[daske17]

I'm curious if Lee makes it whether he will have made it with the fewest RBI's.

 

I believe I'll go look that up.

 

And the answer is YES. He would have the fewest RBIs. Albert Belle is next in line with 126 RBI.

[BigbadB]

Hey Dusty, are you reading this?

 

Lee is currently at 105. The average RBI's for this exclusive group is 154 RBI's. That's the AVERAGE. The absolute worst anybody prior to Lee, if he makes it, is Albert Belle at 126.

 

Need I go on?

[CuseCubFan69]

Hey Dusty, are you reading this?

 

Lee is currently at 105. The average RBI's for this exclusive group is 154 RBI's. That's the AVERAGE. The absolute worst anybody prior to Lee, if he makes it, is Albert Belle at 126.

 

Need I go on?

 

"I got ya dude...we need some speed on the top like a Pierre."

[Geech]

We only got a .300 OBP from the #1 spot this year, lower than any other except #9.

[rawaction]

If only Todd Walker could hit leadoff.

[Geech]

Jerry put up a .344 OBP leading off, our best regular leadoff hitter by far. Todd only got two ABs in the #1 spot.

[Guest]

Huh... From 1921-1948, the average age of a 100+ XBH player was a shade over 26. From 1995-present the average age was over 31.

[illiniguy]

Huh... From 1921-1948, the average age of a 100+ XBH player was a shade over 26. From 1995-present the average age was over 31.

coughsteroidscough

[BigbadB]

Huh... From 1921-1948, the average age of a 100+ XBH player was a shade over 26. From 1995-present the average age was over 31.

coughsteroidscough

 

What was the farm system like from 1921-1948? Were there 3-5 levels to master before getting the call? Wouldn't players have made quicker calls to the bigs back then? How many players went to college back then? How many baseball scholarships were awarded back then compared to nowadays?

 

What was the average age of guys getting called up from 1921-1948 in respect to the average age of players getting called up from 1995-present?

[sethuel1]

Hey Dusty, are you reading this?

 

Lee is currently at 105. The average RBI's for this exclusive group is 154 RBI's. That's the AVERAGE. The absolute worst anybody prior to Lee, if he makes it, is Albert Belle at 126.

 

Need I go on?

 

that makes me want to vomit

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Huh... From 1921-1948, the average age of a 100+ XBH player was a shade over 26. From 1995-present the average age was over 31.

coughsteroidscough

It probably also has something to do with the level of conditioning and medical attention that the players get now. The diagnosis and treatment of injuries has really improved over the last 50 or so years.

[sonofsamiam]

Huh... From 1921-1948, the average age of a 100+ XBH player was a shade over 26. From 1995-present the average age was over 31.

coughsteroidscough

It probably also has something to do with the level of conditioning and medical attention that the players get now. The diagnosis and treatment of injuries has really improved over the last 50 or so years.

 

That -- plus, it's a small sample size.

 

Most of the guys in that earlier era played in incredible favorable conditions for offense. In addition, many of them weren't exactly lousy past 30 -- they just didn't get over 100 XBH at that age. Ruth was great past 30, Foxx won a Triple Crown at 30, Hornsby was amazing past 30, Musial was great in the '50s, Gehrig was great in his 30s until ALS cut him down.

 

Greenberg also lost prime years to WWII. And the other guy in that group, Chuck Klein, played in the best hitters park in the league during the best offensive years the MLB has ever seen. (In 1930 the ENTIRE NL hit .303.) He was sort of the Helton of his time, except without the walks.

 

I'm not saying steroids have nothing to do with the numbers of the past decade, just that most of those guys from the past weren't exactly washed up past their 20s.

[illiniguy]

Huh... From 1921-1948, the average age of a 100+ XBH player was a shade over 26. From 1995-present the average age was over 31.

coughsteroidscough

It probably also has something to do with the level of conditioning and medical attention that the players get now. The diagnosis and treatment of injuries has really improved over the last 50 or so years.

 

That -- plus, it's a small sample size.

 

Most of the guys in that earlier era played in incredible favorable conditions for offense. In addition, many of them weren't exactly lousy past 30 -- they just didn't get over 100 XBH at that age. Ruth was great past 30, Foxx won a Triple Crown at 30, Hornsby was amazing past 30, Musial was great in the '50s, Gehrig was great in his 30s until ALS cut him down.

 

 

Greenberg also lost prime years to WWII. And the other guy in that group, Chuck Klein, played in the best hitters park in the league during the best offensive years the MLB has ever seen. (In 1930 the ENTIRE NL hit .303.) He was sort of the Helton of his time, except without the walks.

 

I'm not saying steroids have nothing to do with the numbers of the past decade, just that most of those guys from the past weren't exactly washed up past their 20s.

right plus that was back when baseball was so expanded that everyone was rushed up. no wait that is how it is now. Back then there were what 10 teams a league? A lot less jobs open then, so more guys would be in the minors longer trying to get jobs.

Edited September 27, 2005 by illiniguy

[illiniguy]

Huh... From 1921-1948, the average age of a 100+ XBH player was a shade over 26. From 1995-present the average age was over 31.

coughsteroidscough

It probably also has something to do with the level of conditioning and medical attention that the players get now. The diagnosis and treatment of injuries has really improved over the last 50 or so years.

that I could agree with.

[Guest]

Most of the guys in that earlier era played in incredible favorable conditions for offense.

The offensive environment of the last 10 years has also been incredibly favorable for hitters.

[JGalt73]

Hey Dusty, are you reading this?

 

Lee is currently at 105. The average RBI's for this exclusive group is 154 RBI's. That's the AVERAGE. The absolute worst anybody prior to Lee, if he makes it, is Albert Belle at 126.

 

Need I go on?

 

Let's just assume that there weren't 67 players in baseball who had more runners on during their at bats...

 

If Lee could score his current .1617 RBI per runner and had seen as many runners as...

 

...Matsui, he'd have 126 RBI.

...David Otiz, he'd have 123 RBI.

...Pujols, he'd have 114 RBI.

...Brian Giles, he'd have 114 RBI...

 

Instead he has his current 105 RBI, and earlier in the season he was destroying the ball without anyone on base for him. Mid-season estimates had him with a chance at 100 RBI by the break if he'd had an above average # of runners on base.

 

Of course it hasn't helped him that he's only had 46 AB with RISP since the break. Lee only has 33 RBI post All Star Break, and only 15 have been by other than HRs. He has not hit well with RISP for 2 months.

 

On an amazing XBH side note, which player is tied for 5th in doubles post ASB? Neifi Perez with 20. Wow!

[BigbadB]

And wouldn't Neifi's 20 doubles since the all star break have looked real nice in the 7th or 8th spot in the order where his bad OBP is a better fit?

[CubinNY]

Hey Dusty, are you reading this?

 

Lee is currently at 105. The average RBI's for this exclusive group is 154 RBI's. That's the AVERAGE. The absolute worst anybody prior to Lee, if he makes it, is Albert Belle at 126.

 

Need I go on?

 

Let's just assume that there weren't 67 players in baseball who had more runners on during their at bats...

 

If Lee could score his current .1617 RBI per runner and had seen as many runners as...

 

...Matsui, he'd have 126 RBI.

...David Otiz, he'd have 123 RBI.

...Pujols, he'd have 114 RBI.

...Brian Giles, he'd have 114 RBI...

 

Instead he has his current 105 RBI, and earlier in the season he was destroying the ball without anyone on base for him. Mid-season estimates had him with a chance at 100 RBI by the break if he'd had an above average # of runners on base.

 

Of course it hasn't helped him that he's only had 46 AB with RISP since the break. Lee only has 33 RBI post All Star Break, and only 15 have been by other than HRs. He has not hit well with RISP for 2 months.

 

On an amazing XBH side note, which player is tied for 5th in doubles post ASB? Neifi Perez with 20. Wow!

 

Really nice analysis! Great post.