9/13 Cubs (Zambrano) vs. Reds (Milton) - WCIU 7:05

[Mizzou]

Hysterical. Had Patterson had the same at bat that Theriot just had, the you people would be shredding him.

 

Not possible. Patterson will NEVER have an at bat where he sees 8 pitches.

 

EDIT: And what, you want to boo the guy in his FIRST MAJOR LEAGUE AT BAT?! Geez man, that's a bit harsh, don't you think?

[XZero771679666304]

Hysterical. Had Patterson had the same at bat that Theriot just had, the you people would be shredding him.

 

Patterson has been in the league for long enough to recognize pitches.

[sethuel1]

Hysterical. Had Patterson had the same at bat that Theriot just had, the you people would be shredding him.

Patterson wouldn't have had that at bat because there's not way he would have fouled those pitches off. he would've messed up the bunt twice and then whiffed on the next pitch.

 

And also, Patterson is now in his 4th major league season. That was Theriot's first MLB at-bat. And he already did better than Patterson.

 

So, your point is totally invalid.

[sandberg23]

Hysterical. Had Patterson had the same at bat that Theriot just had, the you people would be shredding him.

 

There's a world of difference between Patterson having an AB like with the experience he has and the talent he has shown in the past and with Theriot's first ML AB.

[frostwyrm]

Good game, but Weathers had a valid beef on the Walker AB. I was shocked when that one highish ball down the middle wasn't called for strike 3.

[Brian]

Ron Santo's POTG = Matt Murton :D

[Chris]

Hysterical. Had Patterson had the same at bat that Theriot just had, the you people would be shredding him.

 

Actually no, we realize Riot was in the Minors a week ago. What's your deal with Ryan anyways? You came in to the game thread trying to put words in my mouth when I asked why Riot didn't come in the game.

[sethuel1]

booing Theriot? that's low. :x

 

Booing Riot or the call?

 

Riot looked worried that they were booing him.

 

 

 

It was probably both.

 

ugh

 

it was the call they were booing. i was watching. Theriot got applauded on his way back to the bench.

 

not to mention the fact that they chanted "Ryan! Ryan!" for about the last 3 pitches of the at-bat

[Chris]

And I would watch comments like "you people"

[mhuber92211]

Fun game to come back to the office and listen to the end of. Somewhat glad I missed the frustrating middle innings.

 

Gotta state more of the obvious, Matt Murton is for real. I saw him Sunday in SBC and he looked better at the plate then even Lee did at times. Bravo for him securing the final 3 weeks of playing time.

[mhuber92211]

Ron Santo's POTG = Matt Murton :D

 

Gotta love it!

[Chris]

booing Theriot? that's low. :x

 

Booing Riot or the call?

 

Riot looked worried that they were booing him.

 

 

 

It was probably both.

 

ugh

 

it was the call they were booing. i was watching. Theriot got applauded on his way back to the bench.

 

not to mention the fact that they chanted "Ryan! Ryan!" for about the last 3 pitches of the at-bat

 

He's a tough kid, he'll be ok. Hopefully the guys can get him a Championship ring. I know it was tough for Ryan to leave the team, even though it was to go to the Major Leagues.

[Laura]

it was the call they were booing. i was watching. Theriot got applauded on his way back to the bench.

 

not to mention the fact that they chanted "Ryan! Ryan!" for about the last 3 pitches of the at-bat

 

Good! I was hoping so.

 

Cubs fans were on their feet the entire time.

[sethuel1]

Gotta state more of the obvious, Matt Murton is for real. I saw him Sunday in SBC and he looked better at the plate then even Lee did at times. Bravo for him securing the final 3 weeks of playing time.

 

He has secured the final 3 weeks of playing time?

[sandberg23]

Gotta state more of the obvious, Matt Murton is for real. I saw him Sunday in SBC and he looked better at the plate then even Lee did at times. Bravo for him securing the final 3 weeks of playing time.

 

He has secured the final 3 weeks of playing time?

 

Nothing is secure when it comes to Dusty especially playing time for rookies. :x

[YearofDaCubs]

Wow, that Murton dude can really hit. Macias had a .188 BA pinch-hitting yet he is the first person to pinch hit for us. The mind of what is Baker.

[Warren Brusstar]

Hysterical. Had Patterson had the same at bat that Theriot just had, the you people would be shredding him.

Patterson wouldn't have had that at bat because there's not way he would have fouled those pitches off. he would've messed up the bunt twice and then whiffed on the next pitch.

 

And also, Patterson is now in his 4th major league season. That was Theriot's first MLB at-bat. And he already did better than Patterson.

 

So, your point is totally invalid.

 

So, it's okay for you to have lesser standards for Theriot (and other call-ups) because they're young, while at once being outraged that Dusty thinks young players are too inexperienced to play?

 

It seems to me you can't have it both ways. Either you expect them to succeed, or you don't. And if you don't, you can't really get mad at the manager when he similarly expects failure.

[Chris]

So, it's okay for you to have lesser standards for Theriot (and other call-ups) because they're young, while at once being outraged that Dusty thinks young players are too inexperienced to play?

 

It seems to me you can't have it both ways. Either you expect them to succeed, or you don't. And if you don't, you can't really get mad at the manager when he similarly expects failure.

 

*sigh*

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Hysterical. Had Patterson had the same at bat that Theriot just had, the you people would be shredding him.

Patterson wouldn't have had that at bat because there's not way he would have fouled those pitches off. he would've messed up the bunt twice and then whiffed on the next pitch.

 

And also, Patterson is now in his 4th major league season. That was Theriot's first MLB at-bat. And he already did better than Patterson.

 

So, your point is totally invalid.

 

So, it's okay for you to have lesser standards for Theriot (and other call-ups) because they're young, while at once being outraged that Dusty thinks young players are too inexperienced to play?

 

It seems to me you can't have it both ways. Either you expect them to succeed, or you don't. And if you don't, you can't really get mad at the manager when he similarly expects failure.

 

Theriot(and other rookies): possible failure, potential for success

 

Dusty's favorites(Macias, Holla, etc.): virtually guaranteed failure

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hysterical. Had Patterson had the same at bat that Theriot just had, the you people would be shredding him.

Patterson wouldn't have had that at bat because there's not way he would have fouled those pitches off. he would've messed up the bunt twice and then whiffed on the next pitch.

 

And also, Patterson is now in his 4th major league season. That was Theriot's first MLB at-bat. And he already did better than Patterson.

 

So, your point is totally invalid.

 

So, it's okay for you to have lesser standards for Theriot (and other call-ups) because they're young, while at once being outraged that Dusty thinks young players are too inexperienced to play?

 

It seems to me you can't have it both ways. Either you expect them to succeed, or you don't. And if you don't, you can't really get mad at the manager when he similarly expects failure.

 

Actually, I would have felt it was a good at bat from whomever.

 

I don't know why he swung away on the first pitch, but that is the only area I fault him. He should have bunted there as well. As it was, he fouled off one bunt attempt, getting himself in an 0-2 pickle. He then proceeded to work the count to 3-2. The third strike was a nice pitch. Most hitters would either get called out on it or swing through and miss. He got called out on a nasty slider dropping out of the zone. Weathers made a perfect pitch there and Theriot wasn't going to get the benefit of the call.

[Warren Brusstar]

So, it's okay for you to have lesser standards for Theriot (and other call-ups) because they're young, while at once being outraged that Dusty thinks young players are too inexperienced to play?

 

It seems to me you can't have it both ways. Either you expect them to succeed, or you don't. And if you don't, you can't really get mad at the manager when he similarly expects failure.

 

*sigh*

 

Nice laydown. I'll take that to mean you concede the point.

 

FWIW, I don't have anything against Theriot. I'm thrilled for the kid. I just think it's hilarious when people are pining for Dusty to play every mediocre non-prospect in the system. (Obviously, the Cubs should have Murton out there every day) Also, I think it's a bit hypocritcal for people to be frustrated by Dusty's refusal to play kids, while at once not finding fault in that same kid's failure to get a bunt down. If you didn't "expect" him to get the bunt down when he was sent to the plate -- like you would if it were Perez/Patterson/etc. -- how can you fault Dusty for thinking likewise?

Edited September 14, 2005 by Warren Brusstar

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So, it's okay for you to have lesser standards for Theriot (and other call-ups) because they're young, while at once being outraged that Dusty thinks young players are too inexperienced to play?

 

It seems to me you can't have it both ways. Either you expect them to succeed, or you don't. And if you don't, you can't really get mad at the manager when he similarly expects failure.

 

*sigh*

 

Nice laydown. I'll take that to mean you concede the point.

 

FWIW, I don't have anything against Theriot. I'm thrilled for the kid. I just think it's hilarious when people are pining for Dusty to play every mediocre non-prospect in the system. Also, I think it's a bit hypocritcal for people to be frustrated by Dusty's refusal to play kids, while at once not finding fault in that same kid's failure to get a bunt down. If you didn't "expect" him to get the bunt down when he was sent to the plate -- like you would if it were Perez/Patterson/etc. -- how can you fault Dusty for thinking likewise?

 

I think it was more that he no longer wanted to have to stand in the face of idiocy.

[Omar]

1 more win and match-ups will be back!..

[Chris]

Actually, I would have felt it was a good at bat from whomever.

 

Agreed. An 8 pitch AB is impressive. When you take into consideration that he was playing in AA last Friday night and it was his first MLB AB it's really impressive. There's no way that Corey Patterson striking out in that situation can be compared to a guy's first MLB AB.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So, it's okay for you to have lesser standards for Theriot (and other call-ups) because they're young, while at once being outraged that Dusty thinks young players are too inexperienced to play?

 

It seems to me you can't have it both ways. Either you expect them to succeed, or you don't. And if you don't, you can't really get mad at the manager when he similarly expects failure.

 

*sigh*

 

Nice laydown. I'll take that to mean you concede the point.

 

FWIW, I don't have anything against Theriot. I'm thrilled for the kid. I just think it's hilarious when people are pining for Dusty to play every mediocre non-prospect in the system. Also, I think it's a bit hypocritcal for people to be frustrated by Dusty's refusal to play kids, while at once not finding fault in that same kid's failure to get a bunt down. If you didn't "expect" him to get the bunt down when he was sent to the plate -- like you would if it were Perez/Patterson/etc. -- how can you fault Dusty for thinking likewise?

 

I think it was more that he no longer wanted to have to stand in the face of idiocy.

 

Come on, uncalled for.