9/13 Cubs (Zambrano) vs. Reds (Milton) - WCIU 7:05

[Chris]

So, it's okay for you to have lesser standards for Theriot (and other call-ups) because they're young, while at once being outraged that Dusty thinks young players are too inexperienced to play?

 

It seems to me you can't have it both ways. Either you expect them to succeed, or you don't. And if you don't, you can't really get mad at the manager when he similarly expects failure.

 

*sigh*

 

Nice laydown. I'll take that to mean you concede the point.

 

FWIW, I don't have anything against Theriot. I'm thrilled for the kid. I just think it's hilarious when people are pining for Dusty to play every mediocre non-prospect in the system. (Obviously, the Cubs should have Murton out there every day) Also, I think it's a bit hypocritcal for people to be frustrated by Dusty's refusal to play kids, while at once not finding fault in that same kid's failure to get a bunt down. If you didn't "expect" him to get the bunt down when he was sent to the plate -- like you would if it were Perez/Patterson/etc. -- how can you fault Dusty for thinking likewise?

 

Laydown huh? Thanks.

[Warren Brusstar]

So, it's okay for you to have lesser standards for Theriot (and other call-ups) because they're young, while at once being outraged that Dusty thinks young players are too inexperienced to play?

 

It seems to me you can't have it both ways. Either you expect them to succeed, or you don't. And if you don't, you can't really get mad at the manager when he similarly expects failure.

 

*sigh*

 

Nice laydown. I'll take that to mean you concede the point.

 

FWIW, I don't have anything against Theriot. I'm thrilled for the kid. I just think it's hilarious when people are pining for Dusty to play every mediocre non-prospect in the system. Also, I think it's a bit hypocritcal for people to be frustrated by Dusty's refusal to play kids, while at once not finding fault in that same kid's failure to get a bunt down. If you didn't "expect" him to get the bunt down when he was sent to the plate -- like you would if it were Perez/Patterson/etc. -- how can you fault Dusty for thinking likewise?

 

I think it was more that he no longer wanted to have to stand in the face of idiocy.

 

Thanks for addressing the substance of my post. In any event, you win the name-calling contest. Hooray!

[Chris]

It's time for everyone to chill. Feel free to discuss the game, though.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So, it's okay for you to have lesser standards for Theriot (and other call-ups) because they're young, while at once being outraged that Dusty thinks young players are too inexperienced to play?

 

It seems to me you can't have it both ways. Either you expect them to succeed, or you don't. And if you don't, you can't really get mad at the manager when he similarly expects failure.

 

*sigh*

 

Nice laydown. I'll take that to mean you concede the point.

 

FWIW, I don't have anything against Theriot. I'm thrilled for the kid. I just think it's hilarious when people are pining for Dusty to play every mediocre non-prospect in the system. Also, I think it's a bit hypocritcal for people to be frustrated by Dusty's refusal to play kids, while at once not finding fault in that same kid's failure to get a bunt down. If you didn't "expect" him to get the bunt down when he was sent to the plate -- like you would if it were Perez/Patterson/etc. -- how can you fault Dusty for thinking likewise?

 

I think it was more that he no longer wanted to have to stand in the face of idiocy.

 

Thanks for addressing the substance of my post. In any event, you win the name-calling contest. Hooray!

 

 

I think I did address the substance, what little there is to it.

 

I've detailed the Theriot AB and explained why it was a good AB, though not a successful AB. I will dare to say that there's hardly a hitter if any on our team who could have hit that strike three pitch. It was a perfect pitch. While no one wants to see some one look at strike three, most hitters would have swung through and missed on that slider.

 

My only fault that I find is that he didn't attempt to bunt on the first pitch which would have given him two chances to get the bunt down.

[VVMattVV]

Theriot(and other rookies): possible failure, potential for success

 

Dusty's favorites(Macias, Holla, etc.): virtually guaranteed failure

 

pretty much the bottomline there

[CubfaninCA]

Tried telling you guys Murton should be in there every day! ;)

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I can't believe Wrigley fans were booing Theriot after that AB. Pathetic.

[Laura]

I can't believe Wrigley fans were booing Theriot after that AB. Pathetic.

 

You didn't watch the game, did you? Maybe you should read the comments from people who did or who were there.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I can't believe Wrigley fans were booing Theriot after that AB. Pathetic.

 

You didn't watch the game, did you? Maybe you should read the comments from people who did or who were there.

 

I read the comments.

 

My cousin was there and said that many were booing him.

[Laura]

I can't believe Wrigley fans were booing Theriot after that AB. Pathetic.

 

You didn't watch the game, did you? Maybe you should read the comments from people who did or who were there.

 

I read the comments.

 

My cousin was there and said that many were booing him.

 

I read the comments, too.

 

My friend was there and said that many were booing the call. Perhaps he wasn't sitting next to your cousin.

 

The attitude here is split among those who think people who go to games should riot and those who think that anyone who voices displeasure is an idiot.

[Mark_R]

I was there as well, and it sounded like they were booing Theriot to me :(

 

That's gotta be tough. He did battle hard in that AB.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I can't believe Wrigley fans were booing Theriot after that AB. Pathetic.

 

You didn't watch the game, did you? Maybe you should read the comments from people who did or who were there.

 

I read the comments.

 

My cousin was there and said that many were booing him.

 

I read the comments, too.

 

My friend was there and said that many were booing the call. Perhaps he wasn't sitting next to your cousin.

 

The attitude here is split among those who think people who go to games should riot and those who think that anyone who voices displeasure is an idiot.

 

Well, I think my opinion on booing the home team is well known, but whatever one's opinion is, I think booing a player in his big league debut after such an AB isn't kosher.

 

EDIT: My cousin just confirmed that those around her were booing Ryan, not the call.

[rynesrevenge0206]

YEA!!! Cubs win on my 21st b-day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Laura]

I can't believe Wrigley fans were booing Theriot after that AB. Pathetic.

 

You didn't watch the game, did you? Maybe you should read the comments from people who did or who were there.

 

I read the comments.

 

My cousin was there and said that many were booing him.

 

I read the comments, too.

 

My friend was there and said that many were booing the call. Perhaps he wasn't sitting next to your cousin.

 

The attitude here is split among those who think people who go to games should riot and those who think that anyone who voices displeasure is an idiot.

 

Well, I think my opinion on booing the home team is well known, but whatever one's opinion is, I think booing a player in his big league debut after such an AB isn't kosher.

 

EDIT: My cousin just confirmed that those around her were booing Ryan, not the call.

 

Hopefully she wasn't booing him, too. But she was there amongst them, so she must be a pathetic Wrigley fan.

 

My friend was shouting at NomaH and WalkaH the entire time and didn't expect anything from Theriot after learning it was his first PA.

 

Well, I think my opinion on booing the home team is well known, but whatever one's opinion is, I think booing a player in his big league debut after such an AB isn't kosher.

 

My opinion of Wrigley fans tends to be higher than the opinions of everyone else I read.

 

They sometimes boo, and they sometimes boo bad performances. Even though that's gone on for the past century, it seems to be a shock to some. Whoa! Those pathetic Wrigley fans are booing! Who would a thunk?

 

WGN must have been a lot more Disneyfied after I stopped watching it.

[Laura]

YEA!!! Cubs win on my 21st b-day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Sweet! Happy Birthday!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Hopefully she wasn't booing him, too. But she was there amongst them, so she must be a pathetic Wrigley fan.

 

My friend was shouting at NomaH and WalkaH the entire time and didn't expect anything from Theriot after learning it was his first PA.

 

I didn't say the fans were pathetic. I said their actions were pathetic (though I might not have chosen my words correctly, a better word for booing Theriot might have been disappointing). I don't think highly of booing a player for failing to succeed in his first big league PA, even if it was late in a game with RISP.

 

My opinion of Wrigley fans tends to be higher than the opinions of everyone else I read.

 

They sometimes boo, and they sometimes boo bad performances. Even though that's gone on for the past century, it seems to be a shock to some. Whoa! Those pathetic Wrigley fans are booing! Who would a thunk?

 

WGN must have been a lot more Disneyfied after I stopped watching it.

 

Yes, fans do boo; I didn't say it was a shock that fans boo bad performances - it isn't. But, I don't think Theriot's AB, especially considering the situation, was a bad performance worthy of booing. This wasn't Corey Patterson striking out on three consecutive pitches out of the zone. And apparently I'm not the only one in this thread who thought that Theriot's AB was not boo-worthy. Again, I didn't say Wrigley fans were pathetic.

Edited September 14, 2005 by CaliforniaRaisin

[CaliforniaRaisin]

YEA!!! Cubs win on my 21st b-day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Happy belated bday!

[J.R.]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[Mizzou]

LOL, how do you know if they were booing the call or the player? Are there different tones of the boo or something? Unless people were saying something like "you suck Theriot" or "get off your knees ump, you're blowing the game" then it's pretty much impossible to conclude who they were booing.

[Chris]

LOL, how do you know if they were booing the call or the player? Are there different tones of the boo or something? Unless people were saying something like "you suck Theriot" or "get off your knees ump, you're blowing the game" then it's pretty much impossible to conclude who they were booing.

 

The game was blacked out so I didn't see it :(

[Mizzou]

LOL, how do you know if they were booing the call or the player? Are there different tones of the boo or something? Unless people were saying something like "you suck Theriot" or "get off your knees ump, you're blowing the game" then it's pretty much impossible to conclude who they were booing.

 

The game was blacked out so I didn't see it :(

 

I didn't see it either; I'm just wondering how people think they know who the entire stadium was booing.

[Chris]

If someone has a friend or family member that was there they would have a little bit of insight but I didn't have any visual or audio to go with.