What to do w/ Hill?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Give hill time in AAA. Lets see what he does.

 

I think we've already seen what Hill can do at AAA, and that's why it is important to see what he can learn at the major league level.

[abuck1220]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

 

Rusch pitched poorly on Saturday?? Did you watch the game and see the defense behind Rusch?? If Rusch doesn't keep his composure, the game could have been 12-0 by the 5th.

 

The defense was crummy behind Hill against the Mets, but then you insisted it was on him. Can't have it both ways.

 

Did Rusch give up 9 runs?

 

oh, i forgot, you were the guy who said he's rather lose 7-1 than 9-1.

 

So you can't admit that Rusch had a solid start yesterday? It must kill you to see him do alright.

 

rusch pitched fine last night. he had some bad d behind him, so that was unlucky. but at the same time, there were quite a few hard hit outs early...plus he got a good call to save him from walking in a run. right now, i'm just not interested in watching glendon rusch have bad/mediocre/average starts in cub losses. what does that accomplish?

 

and if rusch's start last night was 'solid' then so were hill's first two starts. and if that start by rusch was solid, then what would you consider hill's last two starts in AAA? phenomenal? other-worldly? koufax-esque?

[CubfaninCA]

hill's two starts since he's been sent down...

2-0, 13 1/3 ip, 10 hits, 3 er, 2 bb, 21 k's

 

rusch's two starts since he took hill's spot...

0-2, 9 2/3 ip, 17 hits, 7 er, 3 bb, 10 k's

 

 

anybody still think the cubs made the right choice?

 

Rusch pitched poorly on Saturday?? Did you watch the game and see the defense behind Rusch?? If Rusch doesn't keep his composure, the game could have been 12-0 by the 5th.

 

The defense was crummy behind Hill against the Mets, but then you insisted it was on him. Can't have it both ways.

 

Did Rusch give up 9 runs?

 

oh, i forgot, you were the guy who said he's rather lose 7-1 than 9-1.

 

So you can't admit that Rusch had a solid start yesterday? It must kill you to see him do alright.

 

rusch pitched fine last night. he had some bad d behind him, so that was unlucky. but at the same time, there were quite a few hard hit outs early...plus he got a good call to save him from walking in a run. right now, i'm just not interested in watching glendon rusch have bad/mediocre/average starts in cub losses. what does that accomplish?

 

and if rusch's start last night was 'solid' then so were hill's first two starts. and if that start by rusch was solid, then what would you consider hill's last two starts in AAA? phenomenal? other-worldly? koufax-esque?

 

It appears Hill had a couple real good starts. However, I'm more concerned w/ the Cubs trying to win every game right now. Rusch put them in a position to do so last night. The defense and hitting didn't come through though.

[sandberg23]

It appears Hill had a couple real good starts. However, I'm more concerned w/ the Cubs trying to win every game right now. Rusch put them in a position to do so last night. The defense and hitting didn't come through though.

 

I honestly don't think it's such a good thing for the Cubs to keep winning with these players just for the sake of winning - I think it could do more harm than good for them to keep winning with the players they have now because I feel that will only make Hendry/Baker want those same players back and we all saw what they're capable of doing. We know what the vets are capable of. We dont' know what the rookies will provide. Let's find out now. I really don't believe the Cubs will be going to the post season. Look to the long-term future and see what the young kids can do given a consistent chance.

[CubfaninCA]

It appears Hill had a couple real good starts. However, I'm more concerned w/ the Cubs trying to win every game right now. Rusch put them in a position to do so last night. The defense and hitting didn't come through though.

 

I honestly don't think it's such a good thing for the Cubs to keep winning with these players just for the sake of winning - I think it could do more harm than good for them to keep winning with the players they have now because I feel that will only make Hendry/Baker want those same players back and we all saw what they're capable of doing. We know what the vets are capable of. We dont' know what the rookies will provide. Let's find out now. I really don't believe the Cubs will be going to the post season. Look to the long-term future and see what the young kids can do given a consistent chance.

 

1) The organization isn't going to give up on the season so easily. They're in the business of making money.

 

2) I'm baffled by those who want to throw in the towel so early. Baseball isn't like pro basketball. In pro basketball, the last team into the playoffs has about zero chance to take it all. In baseball, things change in the postseason, as rotations shorten. One of the Cubs big problems is lack of starting pitching depth. If they make the playoffs, there will be no more Williams or Rusch and more Z and Prior.

[UK1679666180]

2) I'm baffled by those who want to throw in the towel so early. Baseball isn't like pro basketball. In pro basketball, the last team into the playoffs has about zero chance to take it all. In baseball, things change in the postseason, as rotations shorten. One of the Cubs big problems is lack of starting pitching depth. If they make the playoffs, there will be no more Williams or Rusch and more Z and Prior.

 

As the Cubs are about to find out, the reason why the last team in basketball has a small chance of winning it is b/c there are 8 teams in the playoffs. The 8th team is obviously less talented and doesn't play as well as the 4th team in MLB.

 

The catch is it is much more difficult to make the playoffs in MLB than any other US sport.

 

The Cubs will soon find that out, given how they've played thru 75% of the season, how difficult it will be making the playoffs by playing poorly underachieving.

 

But, they won't make the playoffs. I have doubt in my mind, they'll finish around .500 and 5-7 games out of the WC.

[abuck1220]

let's hear it for the cubs and their decision to swap hill with rusch!

 

hill's three starts since being sent down...

3-0, 20 1/3 ip, 17 h, 4 er, 3 bb, 28 k's

 

rusch since having a rotation spot dropped in his lap...

0-4, 16 1/3 ip, 32 h, 18 er, 6 bb's, 15 k's

 

 

in a season full of idiotic decisions, it'd be hard to say this was the cubs' worst one, but it's pretty darn stupid. good job, idiots.

 

 

 

anyone still want to argue that the cubs made the right call????

[UK1679666180]

let's hear it for the cubs and their decision to swap hill with rusch!

 

hill's three starts since being sent down...

3-0, 20 1/3 ip, 17 h, 4 er, 3 bb, 28 k's

 

rusch since having a rotation spot dropped in his lap...

0-4, 16 1/3 ip, 32 h, 18 er, 6 bb's, 15 k's

 

 

in a season full of idiotic decisions, it'd be hard to say this was the cubs' worst one, but it's pretty darn stupid. good job, idiots.

 

 

 

anyone still want to argue that the cubs made the right call????

 

When you're trying to win, you're trying to win. Rusch has been there all year and the Cubs owe it to him and their fans to keep him out there despite the results.

[2242005CY]

let's hear it for the cubs and their decision to swap hill with rusch!

 

hill's three starts since being sent down...

3-0, 20 1/3 ip, 17 h, 4 er, 3 bb, 28 k's

 

rusch since having a rotation spot dropped in his lap...

0-4, 16 1/3 ip, 32 h, 18 er, 6 bb's, 15 k's

 

 

in a season full of idiotic decisions, it'd be hard to say this was the cubs' worst one, but it's pretty darn stupid. good job, idiots.

 

 

 

anyone still want to argue that the cubs made the right call????

 

It'd be hard to argue the Cubs did anything right this year.

[abuck1220]

let's hear it for the cubs and their decision to swap hill with rusch!

 

hill's three starts since being sent down...

3-0, 20 1/3 ip, 17 h, 4 er, 3 bb, 28 k's

 

rusch since having a rotation spot dropped in his lap...

0-4, 16 1/3 ip, 32 h, 18 er, 6 bb's, 15 k's

 

 

in a season full of idiotic decisions, it'd be hard to say this was the cubs' worst one, but it's pretty darn stupid. good job, idiots.

 

 

 

anyone still want to argue that the cubs made the right call????

 

When you're trying to win, you're trying to win. Rusch has been there all year and the Cubs owe it to him and their fans to keep him out there despite the results.

 

that's my favorite line...that the cubs owe it to the fans to try and win. and to do so they're going to trot out the same stiffs that have gotten them into a fifth place deadlock. makes sense to me.

[CubfaninCA]

let's hear it for the cubs and their decision to swap hill with rusch!

 

hill's three starts since being sent down...

3-0, 20 1/3 ip, 17 h, 4 er, 3 bb, 28 k's

 

rusch since having a rotation spot dropped in his lap...

0-4, 16 1/3 ip, 32 h, 18 er, 6 bb's, 15 k's

 

 

in a season full of idiotic decisions, it'd be hard to say this was the cubs' worst one, but it's pretty darn stupid. good job, idiots.

 

 

 

anyone still want to argue that the cubs made the right call????

 

Lol @ your obsession. Perhaps it would have been idiotic to let Hill get shelled a third time in a row??? I'm glad he got on his feet @ Iowa. Let him start the rest of the way and move Rusch to the pen.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

hill has gone a long way this year. i wish they'd give him another shot at the bigs this year. plz. plz. plz!!!!!!!!!!

[UK1679666180]

that's my favorite line...that the cubs owe it to the fans to try and win. and to do so they're going to trot out the same stiffs that have gotten them into a fifth place deadlock. makes sense to me.

 

The Cubs owe more to me than sending Rusch and Perez out there every 5th day and every day for Perez.

 

If there is a player that should've been pushed as a waiver trade it was Rusch. Of course, I'm not sure if he was placed on waivers, but he should've been.

 

More than likely, he'll exercise his option and become a FA to pursue the chance to grab onto a #5 spot in a rotation. Unless, he feels no market for him or the Cubs give an impression that he is the leading candidate for the 5th spot.

 

Btw, anyone noticing the job Ruhle is doing in Cincy with their pitchers?

[abuck1220]

let's hear it for the cubs and their decision to swap hill with rusch!

 

hill's three starts since being sent down...

3-0, 20 1/3 ip, 17 h, 4 er, 3 bb, 28 k's

 

rusch since having a rotation spot dropped in his lap...

0-4, 16 1/3 ip, 32 h, 18 er, 6 bb's, 15 k's

 

 

in a season full of idiotic decisions, it'd be hard to say this was the cubs' worst one, but it's pretty darn stupid. good job, idiots.

 

 

 

anyone still want to argue that the cubs made the right call????

 

Lol @ your obsession. Perhaps it would have been idiotic to let Hill get shelled a third time in a row??? I'm glad he got on his feet @ Iowa. Let him start the rest of the way and move Rusch to the pen.

 

what's funny is that when hill was pitching poorly, and rusch was pitching well the fact that you were starting a thread per day about it was just fine. but now that you've been proven WRONG (and have been noticeably silent on the matter), i'm 'obsessed' with it.

 

of course when you were saying the two needed to be flipped it was after hill had pitched poorly, and when i said that sending hill down for rusch was stupid it was before rusch pitched poorly. but i guess it's easier to be 'right' when you say stuff after the fact.

[abuck1220]

that's my favorite line...that the cubs owe it to the fans to try and win. and to do so they're going to trot out the same stiffs that have gotten them into a fifth place deadlock. makes sense to me.

 

The Cubs owe more to me than sending Rusch and Perez out there every 5th day and every day for Perez.

 

 

i got home from school in time to see the end of the game on wgn. it must have been in about the 8th inning and the crowd was dead silent. all the sudden you hear some guy scream 'you call this progress??!!' at the top of his lungs.

 

could be my new sig.

[AC036198]

trade him to the reds for adam dunn.

I don't think Cinncy would want to do such a deal w/in the division. We'd fill a hole in the OF, and dump a sucky reliever on them.

[CubfaninCA]

let's hear it for the cubs and their decision to swap hill with rusch!

 

hill's three starts since being sent down...

3-0, 20 1/3 ip, 17 h, 4 er, 3 bb, 28 k's

 

rusch since having a rotation spot dropped in his lap...

0-4, 16 1/3 ip, 32 h, 18 er, 6 bb's, 15 k's

 

 

in a season full of idiotic decisions, it'd be hard to say this was the cubs' worst one, but it's pretty darn stupid. good job, idiots.

 

 

 

anyone still want to argue that the cubs made the right call????

 

Lol @ your obsession. Perhaps it would have been idiotic to let Hill get shelled a third time in a row??? I'm glad he got on his feet @ Iowa. Let him start the rest of the way and move Rusch to the pen.

 

what's funny is that when hill was pitching poorly, and rusch was pitching well the fact that you were starting a thread per day about it was just fine. but now that you've been proven WRONG (and have been noticeably silent on the matter), i'm 'obsessed' with it.

 

of course when you were saying the two needed to be flipped it was after hill had pitched poorly, and when i said that sending hill down for rusch was stupid it was before rusch pitched poorly. but i guess it's easier to be 'right' when you say stuff after the fact.

 

Just cause Hill got guys out @ Iowa doesn't mean he'll get guys out in the big's. Wellemeyer can get outs @ Iowa too. The guy didn't need to get thrown to the sharks a third time, and when you're a big market team in a pennant race, and you have a guy w/ 3.32 ERA in 10 starts in the pen you start him instead of the kid who can't get anyone out. With that said, I hope Hill does great when he returns.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

trade him to the reds for adam dunn.

I don't think Cinncy would want to do such a deal w/in the division. We'd fill a hole in the OF, and dump a sucky reliever on them.

 

It was a joke. Bruce Miles came on here when Adam Dunn rumors were flying around and said that Hendry wouldn't trade Hill straight up for Dunn.

[abuck1220]

let's hear it for the cubs and their decision to swap hill with rusch!

 

hill's three starts since being sent down...

3-0, 20 1/3 ip, 17 h, 4 er, 3 bb, 28 k's

 

rusch since having a rotation spot dropped in his lap...

0-4, 16 1/3 ip, 32 h, 18 er, 6 bb's, 15 k's

 

 

in a season full of idiotic decisions, it'd be hard to say this was the cubs' worst one, but it's pretty darn stupid. good job, idiots.

 

 

 

anyone still want to argue that the cubs made the right call????

 

Lol @ your obsession. Perhaps it would have been idiotic to let Hill get shelled a third time in a row??? I'm glad he got on his feet @ Iowa. Let him start the rest of the way and move Rusch to the pen.

 

what's funny is that when hill was pitching poorly, and rusch was pitching well the fact that you were starting a thread per day about it was just fine. but now that you've been proven WRONG (and have been noticeably silent on the matter), i'm 'obsessed' with it.

 

of course when you were saying the two needed to be flipped it was after hill had pitched poorly, and when i said that sending hill down for rusch was stupid it was before rusch pitched poorly. but i guess it's easier to be 'right' when you say stuff after the fact.

 

Just cause Hill got guys out @ Iowa doesn't mean he'll get guys out in the big's. Wellemeyer can get outs @ Iowa too. The guy didn't need to get thrown to the sharks a third time, and when you're a big market team in a pennant race, and you have a guy w/ 3.32 ERA in 10 starts in the pen you start him instead of the kid who can't get anyone out. With that said, I hope Hill does great when he returns.

 

big market teams like the yankees, cardinals, mets, phils, astros, white sox and anaheim are all using rookies. other non-big market teams that are in contention like florida, atlanta, and oakland also have a ton of rookies contributing.

 

i don't think it's any worse for a big market team to depend on a rookie than it is for a big market team to depend on a crappy journey man lefty two years removed from a 6.00+ era/1-12 season and with a career era approaching 5.

 

but hey, why are we arguing...it worked out great. rusch pitched fantastic and the cubs are in the driver's seat for the wild card spot.

[abuck1220]

looks like hill will be in the pen for some reason. gotta get a few more starts for rusch, i guess...reward him or something like that.

 

With rosters eligible to expand today, the Cubs are expected to promote left-hander Rich Hill from Class AAA Iowa. General manager Jim Hendry said Hill will start out in the bullpen, though he might get a start before the end of the season. In seven outings with the Cubs, including four starts, Hill has gone 0-2 with an 8.57 ERA.

[goonys evil twin]

looks like hill will be in the pen for some reason. gotta get a few more starts for rusch, i guess...reward him or something like that.

 

With rosters eligible to expand today, the Cubs are expected to promote left-hander Rich Hill from Class AAA Iowa. General manager Jim Hendry said Hill will start out in the bullpen, though he might get a start before the end of the season. In seven outings with the Cubs, including four starts, Hill has gone 0-2 with an 8.57 ERA.

 

Are they kidding? They are thinking he might get a start before the season ends. This organization is completely inept. Losses don't just happen by accident.

[abuck1220]

they owe it to the fans to win games. like they did yesterday when rusch pitched. and the three previous times when rusch started.

 

 

the best part is, he'll sit in the bullpen unused for two weeks and then get a start at houston or against the cardinals. then he'll pitch poorly and dusty can say 'i told you so'. wow, this season was fun.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Wow, how idiotic.

[JC]

wow, this season was fun.

 

I'm starting to think the most interesting part was your fascination with ice water.

 

Hill should be starting in front of Rusch and Williams. Its inconceivable that he isn't positioned in the rotation.

[Cubfanintheknow]

Here's a possibility: Rich Hill as trade bait in the off-season. Hill's name has been tossed around on numerous occasions. He's looked great in AAA, good at times with the Cubs. Why hurt his trade value by allowing him to get shelled a time or two?

 

I think the Cubs feel like they know who they have in Rich Hill. Another 4-5 starts in September isn't going to change their projection. But it might change the minds of trade partners if he doesn't pitch well.