Junior to the White Sox??? Phils/Marlins

[NorthsideAvenger]

USAToday.com

 

The White Sox, whose deal for Ken Griffey Jr. (for three minor league prospects) was killed by Reds owner Carl Lindner last weekend, would revisit their trade talks if Griffey clears waivers in August. ... The Padres plan to trade third baseman Sean Burroughs to the White Sox this week for Triple-A outfielder Joe Borchard.

 

Junior to the White Sox makes more sense then Junior to the Yankees. If the White Sox get Junior, it will legitimze their lineup. I mean, Pods/Igauchi/Konerko/Junior/Dye/Everett(dh)/Piernyski/Burroughs (if happen)/Uribe, wouldn't be Murderer's Row, but it is more frightening, without Junior in it. They could literally go L-R (aka Bakerology) throughout the lineup.

 

One last thing on the White Sox....man was Joe Borchard on of the BIGGEST busts in baseball history. Talk about a player who couldn't hit a curveball. It must svck knowing the White Sox gave Borchard one of the largest bonus in history, and he did NOTHING for them. There's the baseball draft in a nutshell.

 

 

The Marlins rejected the Phillies offer of pitcher Vicente Padilla, center fielder Kenny Lofton and reliever Ugueth Urbina for starter A.J. Burnett and centerfielder Juan Pierre before the deadline.

 

A decent starter, and over-the-hill CF, and a middle of the road reliever for a still prime young starter, and a very good CF? What was Phillies thinking? Did they know that the Marlins GM is NOT an idiot, cause I sure as hell would have laugh at that proposal.

Edited August 3, 2005 by NorthsideAvenger

[SouthSideRyan]

What the hell are the Padres thinking on that deal?

[DesMoinesCub]

Wow!!!

 

We could have at least offered Patterson (a young CF)-Maddux (I know he has a no trade clause, but I am being sarcastic so I don't care) and Remlinger.

 

 

Patterson-Remmy-Maddux or Loften-Padilla-Urbina

 

By the way, I have always thought Burroughs woud be a decent major league player. What has been his problem?

[erik316wttn]

I wouldn't mind Griffey for Patterson and a few prospects, assuming the Reds eat a chunk of his deal.

[UBlink]

Is there any chance Griffey would not clear waivers? And if someone did claim him, would the Reds not let him go?

 

They might get prospects if they trade him, but only by eating some of his salary. But if someone claims him then Cincy is off the hook for the rest of his contract.

 

If the choice is between, say getting some prospects but having to eat $5 million in salary, or just letting him go, $5 million could buy a lot of prospects.

[Inthecards]

Is there any chance Griffey would not clear waivers? And if someone did claim him, would the Reds not let him go?

 

They might get prospects if they trade him, but only by eating some of his salary. But if someone claims him then Cincy is off the hook for the rest of his contract.

 

If the choice is between, say getting some prospects but having to eat $5 million in salary, or just letting him go, $5 million could buy a lot of prospects.

 

Well from what I have heard, When someone goes on waivers he must be offered to their division first meaning from worst to first in the NL and THEN offered from worst to first in the AL....That means all teams would have to pass on him for the whitesox get a shot....surely someone like the yankees or astros would claim him b4 the sox get the shot.

 

 

ps how is my new sig..is it smaller....how do you even tell if it is 4megs?

[WindyCity]

ps how is my new sig..is it smaller....how do you even tell if it is 4megs?

 

If you right-click on the image and select "properties" you can find out the size. Its at 214KB currently.

[Diffusion]

Well from what I have heard, When someone goes on waivers he must be offered to their division first meaning from worst to first in the NL and THEN offered from worst to first in the AL....That means all teams would have to pass on him for the whitesox get a shot....surely someone like the yankees or astros would claim him b4 the sox get the shot.

 

That's true. But if the Yankees or Astros claim him, they'll be told by the Reds they can have him, and the claimant will then have to pay a) the cost of the waiver claim and b) every single cent left on Griffey's contract. That's a situation I bet that the Reds could easily live with even if they're not getting anything at all in return. The salary relief itself is enormous, Griffey's earning big chunks of money through something like 2025.

[CubfaninCA]

LOL @ Cincy.. Maybe if the Sox give them 6 prospects, they'll let Griffey go.

[YearofDaCubs]

Boroughs can hit for avg but the problem is he cannot steal many bases and he has never found his power. Not your prototypical 3B by today's standards. Basically, the Padres feel it is time to move on.

[JC]

Boroughs can hit for avg but the problem is he cannot steal many bases and he has never found his power. Not your prototypical 3B by today's standards. Basically, the Padres feel it is time to move on.

 

He has time to turn into Wade Boggs. Didn't he spend something like 7 years in the minors before getting his shot?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Boroughs can hit for avg but the problem is he cannot steal many bases and he has never found his power. Not your prototypical 3B by today's standards. Basically, the Padres feel it is time to move on.

 

He has time to turn into Wade Boggs. Didn't he spend something like 7 years in the minors before getting his shot?

 

Not Burroughs, he was in the majors at 21. I'd say that he projects to be a Bill Mueller.

[JC]

Boroughs can hit for avg but the problem is he cannot steal many bases and he has never found his power. Not your prototypical 3B by today's standards. Basically, the Padres feel it is time to move on.

 

He has time to turn into Wade Boggs. Didn't he spend something like 7 years in the minors before getting his shot?

 

Not Burroughs, he was in the majors at 21. I'd say that he projects to be a Bill Mueller.

 

I was talking about Boggs spending 7 years in the minors. My point was that Burroughs may be able to eventually find his stroke again on the farm. Being a lefty with limited speed and power, thats why I thought of Boggs.

[badger1679666666]

Junior doesn't have a no trade clause or 10/5 priveldges?

[YearofDaCubs]

Is there any chance Griffey would not clear waivers? And if someone did claim him, would the Reds not let him go?

 

They might get prospects if they trade him, but only by eating some of his salary. But if someone claims him then Cincy is off the hook for the rest of his contract.

 

If the choice is between, say getting some prospects but having to eat $5 million in salary, or just letting him go, $5 million could buy a lot of prospects.

 

Well from what I have heard, When someone goes on waivers he must be offered to their division first meaning from worst to first in the NL and THEN offered from worst to first in the AL....That means all teams would have to pass on him for the whitesox get a shot....surely someone like the yankees or astros would claim him b4 the sox get the shot.

 

 

ps how is my new sig..is it smaller....how do you even tell if it is 4megs?

Right-click on the sig and then select properties. According to what it says your current sig is 200k.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Junior doesn't have a no trade clause or 10/5 priveldges?

 

Yes he does, but he wouldn'be traded, thus he can't reject, unless he simply does not show up at the other team. This is a case of one team just GIVING a player away.

[WindyCity]

Junior doesn't have a no trade clause or 10/5 priveldges?

 

Yes he does, but he wouldn'be traded, thus he can't reject, unless he simply does not show up at the other team. This is a case of one team just GIVING a player away.

 

I believe that a players no trade / 10&5 rights are not ignored when it comes to waiver claims -- i.e. they can still reject the move to the waiver claiming team.

[UBlink]

Junior doesn't have a no trade clause or 10/5 priveldges?

 

Yes he does, but he wouldn'be traded, thus he can't reject, unless he simply does not show up at the other team. This is a case of one team just GIVING a player away.

 

I believe that a players no trade / 10&5 rights are not ignored when it comes to waiver claims -- i.e. they can still reject the move to the waiver claiming team.

 

From the waiver rules thread:

 

Players who are 10-5 guys or who have negotiated no-trades do not have to accept a waiver assignment. You can waive them, a team can claim them, you can decide you don't want to pull them back, but if the player (for example Junior) doesn't want to play for the team who claimed him, he can refuse and stay in Cincinnati, and he cannot be put on waivers again during this season.

 

Players without 10-5 rights or no-trades have no choice if a claim is put on them and their current team doesn't reclaim them from the waiver wire.

[CoolHandLuke]

What Burroughs needs to do is contact Raffy's pharmacist.

[rawaction]

What Burroughs needs to do is contact Raffy's pharmacist.

 

What? Are you telling me it's not just the ball he can't get up?

 

BTW, I never understood Burroughs lack of power. He's a big boy. He doesn't seem to swing down at the ball either.

[imb]

What Burroughs needs to do is contact Raffy's pharmacist.

 

What? Are you telling me it's not just the ball he can't get up?

 

BTW, I never understood Burroughs lack of power. He's a big boy. He doesn't seem to swing down at the ball either.

 

Remember how awesome he was in the LLWS? Funny how that works.

 

And Burroughs won't be Boggs unless he gets a big green wall to slap doubles off of.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Junior doesn't have a no trade clause or 10/5 priveldges?

 

Yes he does, but he wouldn'be traded, thus he can't reject, unless he simply does not show up at the other team. This is a case of one team just GIVING a player away.

 

I believe that a players no trade / 10&5 rights are not ignored when it comes to waiver claims -- i.e. they can still reject the move to the waiver claiming team.

 

From the waiver rules thread:

 

Players who are 10-5 guys or who have negotiated no-trades do not have to accept a waiver assignment. You can waive them, a team can claim them, you can decide you don't want to pull them back, but if the player (for example Junior) doesn't want to play for the team who claimed him, he can refuse and stay in Cincinnati, and he cannot be put on waivers again during this season.

 

Players without 10-5 rights or no-trades have no choice if a claim is put on them and their current team doesn't reclaim them from the waiver wire.

 

 

Ok, I wasn't positive about the situation about Junior and the 10/5 rights. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

But I can't see Junior refusing to get out of Cincy, if it meant going to a contender, outside of New York.

[Guest]

Well from what I have heard, When someone goes on waivers he must be offered to their division first meaning from worst to first in the NL and THEN offered from worst to first in the AL....That means all teams would have to pass on him for the whitesox get a shot....surely someone like the yankees or astros would claim him b4 the sox get the shot.

 

That's true. But if the Yankees or Astros claim him, they'll be told by the Reds they can have him, and the claimant will then have to pay a) the cost of the waiver claim and b) every single cent left on Griffey's contract. That's a situation I bet that the Reds could easily live with even if they're not getting anything at all in return. The salary relief itself is enormous, Griffey's earning big chunks of money through something like 2025.

If someone were to claim Griffey and the Reds let it stand, I'm pretty sure all the claiming team would owe Jr. would be $41.5 million plus the minimal waiver fee to the Reds. Yes, Griffey has deferred payments coming to him until 2024, but the vast majority of that should still be paid by the Reds. His contract was structured in such a way that he's earning $12.5M each season of the contract, with $6.5M per year deferred over the 2009-2024 period. (With the exception of 2000, which only had $5.5M in deferred payments.) In other words, while Junior has only received $6 million of his 2002 salary, he's already "earned" all $12.5 million of it with the services he provided the Reds that year.

 

In short, I would think the deferred salary he earned while playing with the Reds should still be paid by the Reds, regardless of where he finishes the contract. So while technically Griffey will recieve $79.5 million in salary payments after this season (not counting any interest on the deferred money) at least $38 million of that will be paid by the Cincinnati becuase it was earned while Junior was in their employ.

 

At $41.5 over a few years claiming Griffey starts making a lot more sense for teams such as the Yankees. They have the finances to pay the contract but not much in the way of tradeable commodities. And while I'm sure the Reds wouldn't mind freeing up $40 million plus over the next few years, I'm not sure they're so keen on giving up a fairly productive player without getting any talent in reutrn. Given the choice between freeing up $40 million and getting nothing in return or freeing up $25-$30 million and getting a few good propsects, I'd wager O'Brien would pick the latter.

[Evers2Tinker2Chance]

Junior doesn't have a no trade clause or 10/5 priveldges?

 

I beleive he does but he has said he may waive it to go to a contender.

[neely crenshaw]

griffey should clear. if claimed they may have to pick him up with his salary...i don't even boston or ny picking him up just to keep him away from the sox.

 

i would ask what was the marlin gm thinking? he now is going to get a couple of sandwich picks for burnett.....he could have gotten something. this is the team that trdaed lee for choi because they didn't want to pay 9 mil a year....real good call marlins.

 

biggest busts in sox history for the biggest bust in pads history...sounds like a good trade.

 

if i am the reds ..if mccarthy is involved and i don't to apy griffey or least very little. i am all over this trade. the reds are not far from contending. they have spare ofers and could really use jr's money to get pitching that they need. i know it's a blow to attendence but the gate simply can't be that good for a team that is out of it in june with or without griff...not mention people don't go see him if he's on the dl!