This is embarrassing when the players say this

[oldcubsfan]

I am embarrassed to be a Cubs fan after last night.

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[scs_paradise]

I am embarrassed to be a Cubs fan after last night.

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disgusting....

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Also from that article:

 

"He puts the ball in play," Baker said of the red-head. "It's like with [Jason] Dubois when he was doing pretty good. I try to match [Murton] up early in his career against guys who I think he has a chance of hitting. You take baby steps at first and then there comes a time when he's ready to play against everybody."

[AAApittsburgh]

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"He puts the ball in play," Baker said of the red-head. "It's like with [Jason] Dubois when he was doing pretty good. I try to match [Murton] up early in his career against guys who I think he has a chance of hitting. You take baby steps at first and then there comes a time when he's ready to play against everybody."

When exactly is that time? :?

[ZZ Thorn]

It's too bad. We finally get good and then a ton of Cub fan get this know-it-all hateful arrogance. It's sure changed in a couple years.

 

Good quote from Dusty - Murton is earning his way to some major PT. Combine that with Holla's huge slump and it should be pretty soon that he gets a shot to be our starting OF. If we don't get a starting OF by the deadline, that's when I bet it'll happen.

[oldcubsfan]

I totally agree with you. All you have to do is listen to the talk shows and read Cubs.com.

[katway]

I am embarrassed to be a Cubs fan after last night.

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I'm not embarassed to be a Cubs fan. I think what those fans did was uncalled for, but they can't be real fans of the game in the first place if that's their reaction. In other words, I don't think of them as true Cubs fans.

[abuck1220]

Also from that article:

 

"He puts the ball in play," Baker said of the red-head. "It's like with [Jason] Dubois when he was doing pretty good. I try to match [Murton] up early in his career against guys who I think he has a chance of hitting. You take baby steps at first and then there comes a time when he's ready to play against everybody."

 

big surprise...dusty taking credit for murton's success.

[Larry Horse]

Also from that article:

 

"He puts the ball in play," Baker said of the red-head. "It's like with [Jason] Dubois when he was doing pretty good. I try to match [Murton] up early in his career against guys who I think he has a chance of hitting. You take baby steps at first and then there comes a time when he's ready to play against everybody."

 

big surprise...dusty taking credit for murton's success.

 

Kind of like how Dusty is taking baby steps in regard to his logic.......Let me guess, Murton could never succeed against the greatness that is Bret Tomko?

[Mizzou]

I am embarrassed to be a Cubs fan after last night.

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You have to feel bad for Hawkins. He grew up a Cubs fan and all he wanted to do was pitch for the Cubs and succeed. Blame whoever you want for his failure, but the fact is that he needed a change of scenery. I feel bad that the guy can't even return to his home area and pitch without the stadium chanting "Hawkins sucks" while he pitches. That's just terrible.

 

Now... with that said, if chanting that gets into his head and causes him to lose focus and helps the Cubs in any way, then I'm all for it because the goal is for the Cubs to win games, not for players to be happy pitching against us. I just wish it never would have come to this.

[erik316wttn]

Lee's a classy guy, so I would expect him to say that.

 

Hawkins didn't deserve some of the boos he got (but he did deserve some others), but it's not like he was perfect when he was here. He brought some of the booing on himself with his actions.

[Guest]

Also from that article:

 

"He puts the ball in play," Baker said of the red-head. "It's like with [Jason] Dubois when he was doing pretty good. I try to match [Murton] up early in his career against guys who I think he has a chance of hitting. You take baby steps at first and then there comes a time when he's ready to play against everybody."

When exactly is that time? :?

When the Cubs have a new manager.

[Satch80]

I don't feel the need to boo anyone, but some do. I think LaTroy brought some of it on himself ( besides sucking) by holding that arrogant press conference when he was made closer in 2004 and telling the press that it was their last chance to speak to him, that he could do what they could do but they couldn't do what he could do.

Then he proceeded to blow save after save, which we all could do.

 

The press pretty much hung Hawkins in the eyes of the fans after that, but of course Hawk gave them the ammo to do so. Then he later came out and said he was playing for his teammates and the org. only, which of course leaves out the very people who pay his salary. The fans.

 

I don't think chanting "Hawkins stinks" was real cool, but I don't really see anything wrong if some people want to boo. At least they weren't throwing rotten eggs. You make the mega bucks, you take the heat. That's how it goes.

[erik316wttn]

I don't feel the need to boo anyone, but some do. I think LaTroy brought some of it on himself ( besides sucking) by holding that arrogant press conference when he was made closer in 2004 and telling the press that it was their last chance to speak to him, that he could do what they could do but they couldn't do what he could do.

Then he proceeded to blow save after save, which we all could do.

 

The press pretty much hung Hawkins in the eyes of the fans after that, but of course Hawk gave them the ammo to do so. Then he later came out and said he was playing for his teammates and the org. only, which of course leaves out the very people who pay his salary. The fans.

 

I don't think chanting "Hawkins stinks" was real cool, but I don't really see anything wrong if some people want to boo. At least they weren't throwing rotten eggs. You make the mega bucks, you take the heat. That's how it goes.

 

The people who were sending death threats to him and his family deserve to rot on the worst level of hell, but just simple booing him when he comes into the game has been going on with players in all ballparks in all cities since baseball began. I don't see why everone has thier undies in a bunch about it now.

[TB_11]

I don't feel the need to boo anyone, but some do. I think LaTroy brought some of it on himself ( besides sucking) by holding that arrogant press conference when he was made closer in 2004 and telling the press that it was their last chance to speak to him, that he could do what they could do but they couldn't do what he could do.

Then he proceeded to blow save after save, which we all could do.

 

The press pretty much hung Hawkins in the eyes of the fans after that, but of course Hawk gave them the ammo to do so. Then he later came out and said he was playing for his teammates and the org. only, which of course leaves out the very people who pay his salary. The fans.

 

I don't think chanting "Hawkins stinks" was real cool, but I don't really see anything wrong if some people want to boo. At least they weren't throwing rotten eggs. You make the mega bucks, you take the heat. That's how it goes.

 

The people who were sending death threats to him and his family deserve to rot on the worst level of hell, but just simple booing him when he comes into the game has been going on with players in all ballparks in all cities since baseball began. I don't see why everone has thier undies in a bunch about it now.

 

It's like what Dempster said - before the 2003 season, boos were relatively uncommon at Wrigley. Since then either a) expectations have been raised very quickly, b) too many pseudo-fans stayed on the bandwagon or c) both happened. Wrigley is no longer the Friendly Confines like it once was.

[WindyCity]

I think LaTroy brought some of it on himself ( besides sucking) by holding that arrogant press conference when he was made closer in 2004 and telling the press that it was their last chance to speak to him, that he could do what they could do but they couldn't do what he could do.

Then he proceeded to blow save after save, which we all could do.

 

 

Bingo.

 

IMO the above quote holds the key to why Hawkins has been receiving such vocal disgust from the fans at Wrigley.

 

If he had conducted himself with more humility, I highly doubt that he would have become such a target. Sure there would've been boos -- he was terrible at a point late in 2004 where there was such little room for error -- but if he had been more humble and apologetic for his failings, I highly doubt the boos would have been to the extent that he is experiencing them now.

 

Also, while I personally don't boo Cubs players (I tend to just sit in my seat and seethe in silence when I'm upset with their performance), I think the presumption that fans that boo or jeer are any less of a "true fan" than the Cubs fans that come to Wrigley just to cheer and sing the 7th inning stretch, is a load of B.S.

 

This fandom thing is not a caste system -- and you can't tell me who's a better fan than another because of how they choose to support their team, show their emotions, invest there lives and often hard earned money in their team.....

 

We are all Cubs fans and we're all after one thing: 4 zeros at the end of the AC sign in our lifetime.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think LaTroy brought some of it on himself ( besides sucking) by holding that arrogant press conference when he was made closer in 2004 and telling the press that it was their last chance to speak to him, that he could do what they could do but they couldn't do what he could do.

Then he proceeded to blow save after save, which we all could do.

 

 

Bingo.

 

IMO the above quote holds the key to why Hawkins has been receiving such vocal disgust from the fans at Wrigley.

 

If he had conducted himself with more humility, I highly doubt that he would have become such a target. Sure there would've been boos -- he was terrible at a point late in 2004 where there was such little room for error -- but if he had been more humble and apologetic for his failings, I highly doubt the boos would have been to the extent that he is experiencing them now.

 

Corey Patterson was pretty subdued about his failings, and he still got harassed by the Wrigley crowd. To me, it comes down to how frustrating the player is to watch. A reliever who blows a lead, or a hitter that K's a lot is a much more likely target than someone who grounds out every AB, or a starter who is ineffective for 5 innings.

[Bench Coach]

"It was worse [Tuesday] night," Baker said when asked to compare the fans' response last season and now. "At least they didn't say, 'Hawkins [stinks]' before. That was bad. I was in the dugout saying, 'Sorry, Hawk, but we've got to beat you.' If you're going to boo, you boo, get it over with and go about your business. That gave me chills a little bit to wonder who's next on that kind of magnitude of the booing list."

 

I wonder who's next on the booing list too.

 

AAApittsburgh wrote:

CPatterson20 wrote:

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"He puts the ball in play," Baker said of the red-head. "It's like with [Jason] Dubois when he was doing pretty good. I try to match [Murton] up early in his career against guys who I think he has a chance of hitting. You take baby steps at first and then there comes a time when he's ready to play against everybody."

 

 

When exactly is that time?

 

When the Cubs have a new manager.

 

Oh yeah guys absolutely, I mean, Murton's played in a whole 12 games this year so he's definitely proven himself. (he said sarcastically)

 

Look I like Murton, but he's a rookie. You don't send a raw rookie brought up from AA out there everday. They're not ready. I can think of only two guys who could do that: Pujols and Prior. Guys like Pujols and Prior aren't exactly run of the mill. He needs to learn.

 

abuck1220 wrote:

CPatterson20 wrote:

Also from that article:

 

Quote:

"He puts the ball in play," Baker said of the red-head. "It's like with [Jason] Dubois when he was doing pretty good. I try to match [Murton] up early in his career against guys who I think he has a chance of hitting. You take baby steps at first and then there comes a time when he's ready to play against everybody."

 

 

 

big surprise...dusty taking credit for murton's success

 

He's not taking credit, the media asked him about Murton and he replied truthfully. It's his job to put players in matchups where they will succeed. Despite what many people think being a Major League manager is more than sitting on the bench eating sunflower seeds. He's got to decide wat the best lineup from day to day is, and thats not always easy.

 

Once again, everyone is attempting to scapegoat Dusty. The Cubs problems are a young shaky bullpen, and the sometimes lack of a good leadoff hitter. Firing Dusty isn't going to put a good veteran reliever in the pen, or Johnny Damon in the leadoff spot.

 

Why does everyone on this site think firing Dusty would magically solve all the Cubs problems?

[WindyCity]

Corey Patterson was pretty subdued about his failings, and he still got harassed by the Wrigley crowd. To me, it comes down to how frustrating the player is to watch. A reliever who blows a lead, or a hitter that K's a lot is a much more likely target than someone who grounds out every AB, or a starter who is ineffective for 5 innings.

 

True -- getting trotted out game after game without making adjustments is likely another 'cause for frustration (applicable to both Corey and Hawkins). Management made some poor decisions in both cases.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Corey Patterson was pretty subdued about his failings, and he still got harassed by the Wrigley crowd. To me, it comes down to how frustrating the player is to watch. A reliever who blows a lead, or a hitter that K's a lot is a much more likely target than someone who grounds out every AB, or a starter who is ineffective for 5 innings.

 

True -- getting trotted out game after game without making adjustments is likely another 'cause for frustration (applicable to both Corey and Hawkins). Management made some poor decisions in both cases.

 

Then why doesn't Neifi ever get booed?

[10man]

Corey Patterson was pretty subdued about his failings, and he still got harassed by the Wrigley crowd. To me, it comes down to how frustrating the player is to watch. A reliever who blows a lead, or a hitter that K's a lot is a much more likely target than someone who grounds out every AB, or a starter who is ineffective for 5 innings.

True -- getting trotted out game after game without making adjustments is likely another 'cause for frustration (applicable to both Corey and Hawkins). Management made some poor decisions in both cases.

Then why doesn't Neifi ever get booed?

Because Neifi is a SPARKPLUG!!

[Notorious]

Then why doesn't Neifi ever get booed?

 

For the same reason Rusch didn't get booed when he was sucking in the bull pen. They are perceived to carry the team for a short period of time. (Neifi in April and Rusch for being the spot starter)

 

The truth is they deserve to hear some boo's. It looks like Rusch may be turning it around however.

[WindyCity]

Then why doesn't Neifi ever get booed?

 

Expectations?

 

Would anyone expect to get more production than the Cubs have gotten out of Neifi?

[Dr. Cub]

I think LaTroy brought some of it on himself ( besides sucking) by holding that arrogant press conference when he was made closer in 2004 and telling the press that it was their last chance to speak to him, that he could do what they could do but they couldn't do what he could do.

Then he proceeded to blow save after save, which we all could do.

 

 

Bingo.

 

IMO the above quote holds the key to why Hawkins has been receiving such vocal disgust from the fans at Wrigley.

 

If he had conducted himself with more humility, I highly doubt that he would have become such a target. Sure there would've been boos -- he was terrible at a point late in 2004 where there was such little room for error -- but if he had been more humble and apologetic for his failings, I highly doubt the boos would have been to the extent that he is experiencing them now.

 

Also, while I personally don't boo Cubs players (I tend to just sit in my seat and seethe in silence when I'm upset with their performance), I think the presumption that fans that boo or jeer are any less of a "true fan" than the Cubs fans that come to Wrigley just to cheer and sing the 7th inning stretch, is a load of B.S.

 

This fandom thing is not a caste system -- and you can't tell me who's a better fan than another because of how they choose to support their team, show their emotions, invest there lives and often hard earned money in their team.....

 

We are all Cubs fans and we're all after one thing: 4 zeros at the end of the AC sign in our lifetime.

 

 

 

=D>

[dalgreen]

No one should be surprised that the players were disappointed in the Cub fans reactions to Hawkins. After all, Hawkins was a well liked guy in the clubhouse. Everybody needs to remember the chant really started after midnight after many, many people had lots of beers by the seventh inning, or 5-6 hours of being there. The "Haw - kins" Haw-kins" chant probably wouldn't have disappointed the Cub players, but when you chant "Hawkins sucks" that to them goes over the line. And as hard as it is to admit, Dempster was probably right. Most of those chanting were probably cheering more for him to stink it up, than for the Cubs to rally.