Murton

[JC]

Maybe he is learning sitting on the bench BUT as a fan of the CUBS first and foremost the fact that he is playing so much better than Hollandsworth I'd like to see the hot hand playing. At this point we can't settler for Holly's common 0-fer or maybe if we are lucky 1 hit. Holly started playing more again because he was "hot", I really don't think he can get much colder.

 

Is Murton hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot no matter who he bats against? Before answering, he's struck out five times in 10 at-bats against righties.

 

Hasn't he also gotten 3 hits in those 10 ABs?

[CuseCubFan69]

Maybe he is learning sitting on the bench BUT as a fan of the CUBS first and foremost the fact that he is playing so much better than Hollandsworth I'd like to see the hot hand playing. At this point we can't settler for Holly's common 0-fer or maybe if we are lucky 1 hit. Holly started playing more again because he was "hot", I really don't think he can get much colder.

 

Is Murton hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot no matter who he bats against? Before answering, he's struck out five times in 10 at-bats against righties.

 

IMO you learn more by doing then you do watching. Murton can learn how to make adjustments and hear from Clines and others on how to hit the slider and sitting on the bench really doesn't help once you get past a certain point. How are you going to get better against righties by sitting on the bench? How did Murton hit rightys in the minors? I just think it creates the wrong mindset by having a kid think that rightys are to tough to hit off of. I want a player to come up and think AND learn how to hit all kinds of pitchers.

[dalgreen]

Maybe he is learning sitting on the bench BUT as a fan of the CUBS first and foremost the fact that he is playing so much better than Hollandsworth I'd like to see the hot hand playing. At this point we can't settler for Holly's common 0-fer or maybe if we are lucky 1 hit. Holly started playing more again because he was "hot", I really don't think he can get much colder.

 

Is Murton hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot no matter who he bats against? Before answering, he's struck out five times in 10 at-bats against righties.

 

Hasn't he also gotten 3 hits in those 10 ABs?

 

I'll ask again, is he hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot anyway? I like Murton a lot, and would hope some of the vets would learn his plate discipline. I also don't want him in a position to be overmatched. As I said yesterday, I wouldn't have a problem with him facing a rookie righthander or a below average righthander. So, would he be playing considerably less under this scenario vs. the way he's being used now? I'm just glad that we're seeing two lefties this series. Again, I go back to my desire to get a true everyday leftfielder....the same desire I stated last off-season.

[sethuel1]

Maybe he is learning sitting on the bench BUT as a fan of the CUBS first and foremost the fact that he is playing so much better than Hollandsworth I'd like to see the hot hand playing. At this point we can't settler for Holly's common 0-fer or maybe if we are lucky 1 hit. Holly started playing more again because he was "hot", I really don't think he can get much colder.

 

Is Murton hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot no matter who he bats against? Before answering, he's struck out five times in 10 at-bats against righties.

 

Hasn't he also gotten 3 hits in those 10 ABs?

 

I'll ask again, is he hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot anyway? I like Murton a lot, and would hope some of the vets would learn his plate discipline. I also don't want him in a position to be overmatched. As I said yesterday, I wouldn't have a problem with him facing a rookie righthander or a below average righthander. So, would he be playing considerably less under this scenario vs. the way he's being used now? I'm just glad that we're seeing two lefties this series. Again, I go back to my desire to get a true everyday leftfielder....the same desire I stated last off-season.

Translation: I don't like your answer.

[Productive Outs]

"I'm having a blast," Francoeur said. "I'm looking forward to it. It will be good to get to start two days in a row, especially against a right-hander."

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=250727115

 

I think Murton has the same attitude.

[imb]

People have to understand it is ok to put young players in the best situation.

 

I disagree. When a player is young like Murton and is developing, it is best that he gets to play everyday and to develop and mature as a player. You don't learn much sitting on the bench. He will have to hit righties some day, he needs to play now.

 

You probably need to read the story from yesterday's game. According to Murton, it sounds as if he's learning a lot in games when he sits.

 

Well what's he going to say? I need to play against Righty's but Dusty won't let me? Of course he's gonna say he's learning alot. He's a rookie with no pull. Just like a little lemming in an office that never contradicts the boss.

 

Also, I really don't see Francouer and the rest of the bunch sitting in Atlanta and watching. They play, and they play alot. further, it's not like Holly's tearing it up in the least bit.

 

I love when fans can only retort, "what's he going to say" when what is quoted doesn't coincide with their argument. Yeah, there's no way Murton learns anything while on the bench even though cameras have shown him talking with players. Yeah, the kids in Atlanta are playing, but so is a dinosaur like Franco. I wonder if you'd even know their names if we hadn't played the Braves? I wonder if you were the manager and they went 1-30 would you had stayed with them or benched them? See, our decisions never get seen so we don't get to critique your ideas. I don't like Hollandsworth and it ticks me off that he's still striking out on pitches he struck out on eight and nine years ago. But I'm done griping about Hollandsworth because I did it ever since he was promised more playing time by Hendry and Baker. I also recognize that Murton's success so far has been because he's hitting only against lefties. His five strikeouts in 10 at-bats against righties leads me to believe that he should slowly get worked in against righties. I don't want to see him against Schmidt, Clemens, Oswalt, Carpenter, etc.

 

You mean the same way Dusty fans say "well, whats Dusty supposed to say?" when he talks about how great Neifi etc... is?

[badger1679666666]

 

I don't know how you took my post as a personal dig. If so, I apologize. But when you said, "What's Murton going to say?", that in effect means you think he's not telling the truth when he says he says he gets to analyze the game and gets analysis from vets. Do you or do you not believe him when he says that? I also know quotes are vanilla-coated, that's why it baffles me when people get so upset at Baker's ridiculous quotes. Okay, you know about the Braves system, but would you have stayed with Johnson when he went 1-30 or would you have gone another route? I'm just saying it's easy for us on here to second guess because our decisions never get played out. I still don't know how much more Murton would play in your scenario (not against a #1 or #2 starter) than what he gets now. He'll start at least two games in the AZ series since they'll be tossing lefties. I just believe Murton was telling the truth about learning some things when he sits the bench. If you think he was lying or just being polite, so be it. I just don't know why you would totally discount what he said, though.

 

No worries, I got a little sensitive.

 

I certainly believe talking to vets helps. I do not believe that Murton is not intelligent enough to both play and talk to vets at the same time. He seems like a heady ball player capable of multitasking.

 

I'm sure talking to players has helped him, but can't he play, and still talk to players while not batting?

 

The ONLY time Murton plays now is against a Lefty, If dusty tossed him out against lesser righty's, and benched him against the studs, I'd have zero problem. But ONLY playing against lefty's is not going to help him hit righties. You can only talk and learn so much, at some point you need to be thrown into the pool and see if you can swim.

[cubsfaninfla]

Murton should be playing LF and starting everyday. If he ends up sucking, put Gerut in.

[CuseCubFan69]

Has Murton always played OF? What did he play in college/HS? I was just curious if there was any possibility to move him to 2nd base.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Has Murton always played OF? What did he play in college/HS? I was just curious if there was any possibility to move him to 2nd base.

 

From what I can gather, Murton has been an OF since he started college. I don't know about what he played prior to his time at Georgia Tech.

[CuseCubFan69]

Has Murton always played OF? What did he play in college/HS? I was just curious if there was any possibility to move him to 2nd base.

 

From what I can gather, Murton has been an OF since he started college. I don't know about what he played prior to his time at Georgia Tech.

 

Thanks CPatt. I suppose it would be too late to switch him there anyway.

[frostwyrm]

 

Cedeno's mashed at AAA, he's not going to get truly rusty cuz Dusty plays everybody.

 

You can't be serious. Look at his game log. Do you honestly believe you can use a rookie this infrequently and expect good results?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=6254

[frostwyrm]

Maybe he is learning sitting on the bench BUT as a fan of the CUBS first and foremost the fact that he is playing so much better than Hollandsworth I'd like to see the hot hand playing. At this point we can't settler for Holly's common 0-fer or maybe if we are lucky 1 hit. Holly started playing more again because he was "hot", I really don't think he can get much colder.

 

Is Murton hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot no matter who he bats against? Before answering, he's struck out five times in 10 at-bats against righties.

 

Hasn't he also gotten 3 hits in those 10 ABs?

 

I'll ask again, is he hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot anyway? I like Murton a lot, and would hope some of the vets would learn his plate discipline. I also don't want him in a position to be overmatched. As I said yesterday, I wouldn't have a problem with him facing a rookie righthander or a below average righthander. So, would he be playing considerably less under this scenario vs. the way he's being used now? I'm just glad that we're seeing two lefties this series. Again, I go back to my desire to get a true everyday leftfielder....the same desire I stated last off-season.

 

Murton hit righties in the minors just fine, and when the alternative to Murton is a piece of excrement named Todd Hollandsworth I'll take Murton.

[ZZ Thorn]

Maybe he is learning sitting on the bench BUT as a fan of the CUBS first and foremost the fact that he is playing so much better than Hollandsworth I'd like to see the hot hand playing. At this point we can't settler for Holly's common 0-fer or maybe if we are lucky 1 hit. Holly started playing more again because he was "hot", I really don't think he can get much colder.

 

Is Murton hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot no matter who he bats against? Before answering, he's struck out five times in 10 at-bats against righties.

 

Hasn't he also gotten 3 hits in those 10 ABs?

 

I'll ask again, is he hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot anyway? I like Murton a lot, and would hope some of the vets would learn his plate discipline. I also don't want him in a position to be overmatched. As I said yesterday, I wouldn't have a problem with him facing a rookie righthander or a below average righthander. So, would he be playing considerably less under this scenario vs. the way he's being used now? I'm just glad that we're seeing two lefties this series. Again, I go back to my desire to get a true everyday leftfielder....the same desire I stated last off-season.

 

Murton hit righties in the minors just fine, and when the alternative to Murton is a piece of excrement named Todd Hollandsworth I'll take Murton.

 

If Holla is a piece of excrement, and he's a million times better at baseball than you, what does that make you?

 

:roll:

[CUBZ99]

Maybe he is learning sitting on the bench BUT as a fan of the CUBS first and foremost the fact that he is playing so much better than Hollandsworth I'd like to see the hot hand playing. At this point we can't settler for Holly's common 0-fer or maybe if we are lucky 1 hit. Holly started playing more again because he was "hot", I really don't think he can get much colder.

 

Is Murton hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot no matter who he bats against? Before answering, he's struck out five times in 10 at-bats against righties.

 

Hasn't he also gotten 3 hits in those 10 ABs?

 

I'll ask again, is he hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot anyway? I like Murton a lot, and would hope some of the vets would learn his plate discipline. I also don't want him in a position to be overmatched. As I said yesterday, I wouldn't have a problem with him facing a rookie righthander or a below average righthander. So, would he be playing considerably less under this scenario vs. the way he's being used now? I'm just glad that we're seeing two lefties this series. Again, I go back to my desire to get a true everyday leftfielder....the same desire I stated last off-season.

 

Murton hit righties in the minors just fine, and when the alternative to Murton is a piece of excrement named Todd Hollandsworth I'll take Murton.

 

If Holla is a piece of excrement, and he's a million times better at baseball than you, what does that make you?

 

:roll:

 

I'll bite. Does it make him not a professional baseball player?

[muntjack]

Todd Hollandsworth is 2 for his last 27.

 

Matt Murton is 14 for his FIRST 29.

 

 

The complaint of "not having any real young major league talent to work with" is debunked.

 

 

How good does a young player have to hit? 98/100? 44 HR? 750 OBP?

 

 

I thought Dubois could make a decent Burnitzy type outfielder, I thought Bobby Hill could be a valuable bat off the bench, that Choi could be a league-average first baseman.

 

But Matt Murton will be an all-star. Many times.

 

I'm afraid his approach at the plate is too good, and he will be traded away before he gets a full-time shot.

[sonicdethmonkey0]

Todd Hollandsworth is 2 for his last 27.

 

Matt Murton is 14 for his FIRST 29.

 

 

The complaint of "not having any real young major league talent to work with" is debunked.

 

 

How good does a young player have to hit? 98/100? 44 HR? 750 OBP?

 

 

I thought Dubois could make a decent Burnitzy type outfielder, I thought Bobby Hill could be a valuable bat off the bench, that Choi could be a league-average first baseman.

 

But Matt Murton will be an all-star. Many times.

 

I'm afraid his approach at the plate is too good, and he will be traded away before he gets a full-time shot.

 

i do too. i've been following his performance with AA all year, and everything i read about this kid sounds great. he's got a great concept of the strike zone, he hustles, and he can flat out hit. i think his power will come. i'm much more comfortable with murton in the big leagues, simply because he does have patience and an understanding of what's a ball and what's a strike. i don't think pie has that yet. maybe he has the power in him, maybe he doesn't.

 

right now, i don't think there's one good reason to play todd hollandsworth over matt murton. also, in all honesty, i'd be more distraught about losing murton in a trade than pie. but i guess we'll see what happens.

[imb]

Maybe he is learning sitting on the bench BUT as a fan of the CUBS first and foremost the fact that he is playing so much better than Hollandsworth I'd like to see the hot hand playing. At this point we can't settler for Holly's common 0-fer or maybe if we are lucky 1 hit. Holly started playing more again because he was "hot", I really don't think he can get much colder.

 

Is Murton hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot no matter who he bats against? Before answering, he's struck out five times in 10 at-bats against righties.

 

Hasn't he also gotten 3 hits in those 10 ABs?

 

I'll ask again, is he hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot anyway? I like Murton a lot, and would hope some of the vets would learn his plate discipline. I also don't want him in a position to be overmatched. As I said yesterday, I wouldn't have a problem with him facing a rookie righthander or a below average righthander. So, would he be playing considerably less under this scenario vs. the way he's being used now? I'm just glad that we're seeing two lefties this series. Again, I go back to my desire to get a true everyday leftfielder....the same desire I stated last off-season.

 

Murton hit righties in the minors just fine, and when the alternative to Murton is a piece of excrement named Todd Hollandsworth I'll take Murton.

 

If Holla is a piece of excrement, and he's a million times better at baseball than you, what does that make you?

 

:roll:

 

Jesus, are you even trying anymore? This is like watching a new De Niro movie, just phoning it in.

[sporrer17]

Just to be fair, Murton does have some true thunder...watched him today in BP (i know, it's only BP) but he hit a bomb onto waveland and even took 1 or 2 out to right field.

 

Like I said, he's got power potential, although it might not show up until he needs to put it to use (ie if he's used in a run producing role down the line)

[Brian]

I want him in the #2 hole next year (I wish he would have been there today instead of Ronny).

[Brian]

Hmmm maybe Murton is getting about the same playing time that he would under a more rookie oriented manager such as Bobby Cox. Jeff Francoeur only has 5 more official at bats than Murton, with them debuting one day apart. But than again Cox has better option to swap him out with than Hollandsworth.

[XZero771679666304]

Maybe he is learning sitting on the bench BUT as a fan of the CUBS first and foremost the fact that he is playing so much better than Hollandsworth I'd like to see the hot hand playing. At this point we can't settler for Holly's common 0-fer or maybe if we are lucky 1 hit. Holly started playing more again because he was "hot", I really don't think he can get much colder.

 

Is Murton hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot no matter who he bats against? Before answering, he's struck out five times in 10 at-bats against righties.

 

Hasn't he also gotten 3 hits in those 10 ABs?

 

I'll ask again, is he hot because he's facing lefties or would he be hot anyway? I like Murton a lot, and would hope some of the vets would learn his plate discipline. I also don't want him in a position to be overmatched. As I said yesterday, I wouldn't have a problem with him facing a rookie righthander or a below average righthander. So, would he be playing considerably less under this scenario vs. the way he's being used now? I'm just glad that we're seeing two lefties this series. Again, I go back to my desire to get a true everyday leftfielder....the same desire I stated last off-season.

 

Murton hit righties in the minors just fine, and when the alternative to Murton is a piece of excrement named Todd Hollandsworth I'll take Murton.

 

If Holla is a piece of excrement, and he's a million times better at baseball than you, what does that make you?

 

:roll:

 

And what do Holla and Murton have to do with IMB! ? Nothing. If you are going to argue, at least argue with some relevance.