Cubs acquire Jody Gerut from Cleveland for Jason Dubois

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

I still have the feeling that Patterson will be back in CF and a platoon of Murton and Gerut in left. What Dusty plans to do with it however...

 

The Cubs will use the LF platoon as #2 hitters and allow CP to be what he has always seen himself to be and that is a power guy. Leading off is a skill set and mindset, same as being a power hitter. It has been cruel to watch the Cubs try to fit CP in the round hole they want him to be instead of blossoming into what he could be. A #6 or #7 hitter with power and speed that you would normally find in a corner position.

[ZZ Thorn]

I don't understand why the perception is that once Hairston has started leading off that he has been doing well?

 

His OBP in June was .333 and July .305, he has been getting progressively worse as the season goes on.

 

Just a thought, it is possible that the recent surge in offense is due to moving Todd Walker to the number 2 spot, and have nothing to do with Hairston.

 

BUMP

 

Hairston, other than that grand slam, hasn't done squat as our leadoff hitter. He's been slumping for a while now. He has definitely not been the reason for our recent good offense. He may be doing a tad better than CP in the leadoff spot, but that's not saying much at all.

 

 

how is an OBP of .367 batting leadoff "not doing squat." isn't it more that a "tad better" than Corey's .268 OBP in the leadoff spot?

 

he's in a little mini-slump since the All star break. no big wup.

Beyond that, Hairston will take some pitches and make the pitcher work a little, on the rare occassion Patterson attempted to work the pitcher, he'd fall right back into swing at anything mode the very next at bat.

 

My point was that since CP was sent down Hairston hasn't done much, and that our recent string of Ws should not be attributed to him.

 

.255/.305/.418 in the month of July. Barely better than CP, and CP totally sucked, so if he can't improve on CP.... 4/23 w/1 walk since the ASB.

 

I'm glad he's there instead of Corey, who was a major daily downer, but to give Hairston more than a tiny bit of credit for our recent success is giving him too much.

 

He did do well in the Florida series, along with many other Cubs, and not along with Florida, who played terribly, about as bad as we did versus Atlanta.

[Roast]

-How is gerut long term, he is 28 and still hasnt done anythign special. Dunn could be long term?

Sorry, not trying to pick on you here, but how in the world is a 27 year old ball player too old to not fit into a long-term plan?

 

I didnt say he was too old. I said that he is 28 and still hasnt done anything special. Its already been brought up in this thread that, that is around the age when players hit the peak of hteir career. If thos numbers are his peak, I dont really that he is a long term soloution for us. If hendry thinks that he is the soloution, i'd be very worried.

[moorecg]

I don't understand why the perception is that once Hairston has started leading off that he has been doing well?

 

His OBP in June was .333 and July .305, he has been getting progressively worse as the season goes on.

 

Just a thought, it is possible that the recent surge in offense is due to moving Todd Walker to the number 2 spot, and have nothing to do with Hairston.

 

BUMP

 

Hairston, other than that grand slam, hasn't done squat as our leadoff hitter. He's been slumping for a while now. He has definitely not been the reason for our recent good offense. He may be doing a tad better than CP in the leadoff spot, but that's not saying much at all.

 

 

how is an OBP of .367 batting leadoff "not doing squat." isn't it more that a "tad better" than Corey's .268 OBP in the leadoff spot?

 

he's in a little mini-slump since the All star break. no big wup.

Beyond that, Hairston will take some pitches and make the pitcher work a little, on the rare occassion Patterson attempted to work the pitcher, he'd fall right back into swing at anything mode the very next at bat.

 

My point was that since CP was sent down Hairston hasn't done much, and that our recent string of Ws should not be attributed to him.

 

.255/.305/.418 in the month of July. Barely better than CP, and CP totally sucked, so if he can't improve on CP.... 4/23 w/1 walk since the ASB.

 

I'm glad he's there instead of Corey, who was a major daily downer, but to give Hairston more than a tiny bit of credit for our recent success is giving him too much.

 

He did do well in the Florida series, along with many other Cubs, and not along with Florida, who played terribly, about as bad as we did versus Atlanta.

 

If you could avoid mentioning anytime there is an Atlanta series directly followed by a Florida series it would be greatly appreciated...the memories are not good...

[MadDog07]

Who's saying that Gerut would be long term? I don't like the trade for the simple fact that Dubois, though struggling, still has the potential to do something in this league. For all I know Gerut will hit .320 and bat leadoff, but it seems as if he's a quiet player...good OBP, no pop in his bat, no speed, doesn't strike out a lot, doesn't walk a lot, hits mainly singles, solid defense...I'm not seeing an upside. Does Gerut have anything that Hairston or Holla don't have?

[ZZ Thorn]

I don't understand why the perception is that once Hairston has started leading off that he has been doing well?

 

His OBP in June was .333 and July .305, he has been getting progressively worse as the season goes on.

 

Just a thought, it is possible that the recent surge in offense is due to moving Todd Walker to the number 2 spot, and have nothing to do with Hairston.

 

BUMP

 

Hairston, other than that grand slam, hasn't done squat as our leadoff hitter. He's been slumping for a while now. He has definitely not been the reason for our recent good offense. He may be doing a tad better than CP in the leadoff spot, but that's not saying much at all.

 

 

how is an OBP of .367 batting leadoff "not doing squat." isn't it more that a "tad better" than Corey's .268 OBP in the leadoff spot?

 

he's in a little mini-slump since the All star break. no big wup.

Beyond that, Hairston will take some pitches and make the pitcher work a little, on the rare occassion Patterson attempted to work the pitcher, he'd fall right back into swing at anything mode the very next at bat.

 

My point was that since CP was sent down Hairston hasn't done much, and that our recent string of Ws should not be attributed to him.

 

.255/.305/.418 in the month of July. Barely better than CP, and CP totally sucked, so if he can't improve on CP.... 4/23 w/1 walk since the ASB.

 

I'm glad he's there instead of Corey, who was a major daily downer, but to give Hairston more than a tiny bit of credit for our recent success is giving him too much.

 

He did do well in the Florida series, along with many other Cubs, and not along with Florida, who played terribly, about as bad as we did versus Atlanta.

 

If you could avoid mentioning anytime there is an Atlanta series directly followed by a Florida series it would be greatly appreciated...the memories are not good...

 

LOL, imagine the associations we'd have if they didn't sweep the Fish before the ASB. We'd be saying they ended our season...again.

[LoneStarCubFan]

Who's saying that Gerut would be long term? I don't like the trade for the simple fact that Dubois, though struggling, still has the potential to do something in this league. For all I know Gerut will hit .320 and bat leadoff, but it seems as if he's a quiet player...good OBP, no pop in his bat, no speed, doesn't strike out a lot, doesn't walk a lot, hits mainly singles, solid defense...I'm not seeing an upside. Does Gerut have anything that Hairston or Holla don't have?

 

Dubois has the chance to develop into a quality designated hitter, which doesn't make him much use to the Cubs. This trade will help, regardless of what the Dubois lovers think.

[chicubs310]

Unfortunatley, i did not read through all 300 some posts about this topic, but if someone is reading all of them, hopefully this will seem to make sence. I feel that gerut, although a very good player, could be brought because either he or holladsworth would be included, and that team did not want Dubois. Otherwise, Gerut has potential, and he fits this team well *as in he gets hurt a lot*. If the team has anythoughts of brining in a bigger bat, hopefully this move wont get in the way

 

 

edit...

 

there are over 400 posts in here

all about a guy named Jody Gerut...hmm

Edited July 19, 2005 by chicubs310

[jjgman21]

 

My point was that since CP was sent down Hairston hasn't done much, and that our recent string of Ws should not be attributed to him.

 

.255/.305/.418 in the month of July. Barely better than CP, and CP totally sucked, so if he can't improve on CP.... 4/23 w/1 walk since the ASB.

 

I'm glad he's there instead of Corey, who was a major daily downer, but to give Hairston more than a tiny bit of credit for our recent success is giving him too much.

 

He did do well in the Florida series, along with many other Cubs, and not along with Florida, who played terribly, about as bad as we did versus Atlanta.

 

just as loses should never be put on one player, neither should wins, so I know what you are saying with that. I don't think he is solely responsible for anything, but I think his presence at the lineup has helped quite a bit.

 

the sample size you are using to make your point is too small to be significant. ie. if Hairston goes 2 for 3 with a walk tonight, his OBP for July is up to .333. if he goes 2 for 4 the next night, his OBP for the month is up to .354. if he did that and the Cubs won both games, would you grudgingly give him a little more credit?

[SAMMYWHO]

All in favor say Defense. That's why I'm in favor of it. Better than what we have and had. Now I'm going to take a nap after reading this thread that took what seems like all day.

[UK1679666180]

A 4th OF'er for a DH, Gerut isn't better defensively than Hairston, Hollandsworth, or Burnitz and probably par with Murton.

 

A lefty bat is gained to compete with Hollandsworth. Who's better between Hollandsworth or Gerut?

 

Nothing gained/nothing lost. Gerut will provide the same thing Hollandsworth provides, neither can hit at the top of the order, neither can hit well enough for the 6th spot on a good offense, and neither can play CF on a full time basis.

[ZZ Thorn]

 

My point was that since CP was sent down Hairston hasn't done much, and that our recent string of Ws should not be attributed to him.

 

.255/.305/.418 in the month of July. Barely better than CP, and CP totally sucked, so if he can't improve on CP.... 4/23 w/1 walk since the ASB.

 

I'm glad he's there instead of Corey, who was a major daily downer, but to give Hairston more than a tiny bit of credit for our recent success is giving him too much.

 

He did do well in the Florida series, along with many other Cubs, and not along with Florida, who played terribly, about as bad as we did versus Atlanta.

 

just as loses should never be put on one player, neither should wins, so I know what you are saying with that. I don't think he is solely responsible for anything, but I think his presence at the lineup has helped quite a bit.

 

the sample size you are using to make your point is too small to be significant. ie. if Hairston goes 2 for 3 with a walk tonight, his OBP for July is up to .333. if he goes 2 for 4 the next night, his OBP for the month is up to .354. if he did that and the Cubs won both games, would you grudgingly give him a little more credit?

 

Gladly! I hope he goes 90 for his next 91. My post was agreeing with the fact the Hairston hasn't done much since being moved to the leadoff spot. I heard a bit of the game on xm radio today, and the Reds announcer said the same thing - that Hairston has done well as our new leadoff guy, but he really hasn't.

 

He's just been in the right place at the right time: he took over right when we started playing better. Thus far, I already pointed out what I think are the reasons behind our success, tho I didn't mention the most meritorious: great starting pitching.

[bmkhawk]

 

I think he is a very solid pickup. He should get the majority of PT in LF.

 

No way Dusty benches Hollandsworth for another lefty-hitting outfielder.

 

I think you are wrong. Check back w/ me in six weeks.

 

Gerut has much more talent than Holla does.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

I think he is a very solid pickup. He should get the majority of PT in LF.

 

No way Dusty benches Hollandsworth for another lefty-hitting outfielder.

 

I think you are wrong. Check back w/ me in six weeks.

 

Gerut has much more talent than Holla does.

 

Yet their performance throughout their careers has been fairly similar.

[ltb]

 

I think he is a very solid pickup. He should get the majority of PT in LF.

 

No way Dusty benches Hollandsworth for another lefty-hitting outfielder.

 

I think you are wrong. Check back w/ me in six weeks.

 

Gerut has much more talent than Holla does.

 

dusty doesn't care about talent.

 

just the "years experience" on the back of your baseball card.

[bmkhawk]

Who's saying that Gerut would be long term? I don't like the trade for the simple fact that Dubois, though struggling, still has the potential to do something in this league. For all I know Gerut will hit .320 and bat leadoff, but it seems as if he's a quiet player...good OBP, no pop in his bat, no speed, doesn't strike out a lot, doesn't walk a lot, hits mainly singles, solid defense...I'm not seeing an upside. Does Gerut have anything that Hairston or Holla don't have?

 

Good lord...that is really not a good assessment of Gerut's abilities. Let's see what he can do when he gets healthy. He has speed. He can walk...has very good plate presence. He has decent pop. I see more upside in him than Dubois.

 

By the way, I don't understand all the talk of Gerut in center. Sure, he gives the team one other option (pretty much their only other option) to play center while CP is in the minors. I see him and Murton in a platoon in left.

[bmkhawk]

 

I think he is a very solid pickup. He should get the majority of PT in LF.

 

No way Dusty benches Hollandsworth for another lefty-hitting outfielder.

 

I think you are wrong. Check back w/ me in six weeks.

 

Gerut has much more talent than Holla does.

 

dusty doesn't care about talent.

 

just the "years experience" on the back of your baseball card.

 

Yeah, I'm sure that's it.

[bmkhawk]

A 4th OF'er for a DH, Gerut isn't better defensively than Hairston, Hollandsworth, or Burnitz and probably par with Murton.

 

What in the world is your basis for this statement?

[bmkhawk]

 

I think he is a very solid pickup. He should get the majority of PT in LF.

 

No way Dusty benches Hollandsworth for another lefty-hitting outfielder.

 

I think you are wrong. Check back w/ me in six weeks.

 

Gerut has much more talent than Holla does.

 

Yet their performance throughout their careers has been fairly similar.

 

Well, that is a somewhat deceiving point considering that Gerut has less than two full season's worth of at bats in his career and Holla has been up for about 8 seasons (or whatever) now.

 

Also, when comparing the two, I tihnk it is fair to say that a guy like Gerut fits into the team's plans next year while Holla likely does not.

[UK1679666180]

A 4th OF'er for a DH, Gerut isn't better defensively than Hairston, Hollandsworth, or Burnitz and probably par with Murton.

 

What in the world is your basis for this statement?

 

Basis for which one, Gerut being a 4th OF'er or Gerut defensively?

 

Let's see...

 

Gerut likely won't hit for a high avg., won't hit for much power, has a good eye at the plate, lacks speed, avg. arm.

 

His rookie year was likely the ceiling of his power and has been hampered by knee injuries since.

 

Career EqA of .264, shouldn't hit for much power as he progresses, entering the prime of his career with a bad wheel.

 

Isn't good enough defensively to play CF'er, isn't good enough to hit for a starting corner OF'er. Mix it together and you get a 4th OF'er.

 

Defensively, doesn't have the range of Hairston, better instincts, both have similar arm strength. Hollandsworth, both lack range, Hollandsworth probably has better range, Gerut has a better arm and instincts are similar. Him and Burnitz, Burnitz gets a better jump on the ball and has a more accurate arm.

[bmkhawk]

Your statement about his defense. And I disagree with your assessments on all. He is the best of that lot.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

I think he is a very solid pickup. He should get the majority of PT in LF.

 

No way Dusty benches Hollandsworth for another lefty-hitting outfielder.

 

I think you are wrong. Check back w/ me in six weeks.

 

Gerut has much more talent than Holla does.

 

Yet their performance throughout their careers has been fairly similar.

 

Well, that is a somewhat deceiving point considering that Gerut has less than two full season's worth of at bats in his career and Holla has been up for about 8 seasons (or whatever) now.

 

Also, when comparing the two, I think it is fair to say that a guy like Gerut fits into the team's plans next year while Holla likely does not.

 

Gerut has better minor league numbers, but he was at older ages for the levels. Their career major league numbers are nearly identical, even though Hollandsworth has a longer career to draw from. Gerut may be a better defender, but there's really not much in their numbers to conclude that Gerut will be any better than Hollandsworth.

[nilodnayr]

Ok, well no one mentioned the old rumor or Holla to the yanks for Felix Rodriguez, who coincidentally was just activated from the DL. Although quite uncharacteristic of Hendry, a Dubois and Holla swap for Gerut and F-Rod improves this team, but definitely not significanlty (also IMO not insignificantly). He (and Dusty and players) have made quite a few statements that with Williamson and Nomar this team may not have to make any significant moves. Could it be that Hendry believes a Gerut/Murton platoon in left, Nomar at ss, Williamson in the 8th and F-Rod in the 7th improves this team enough from here on out to make a significant enough push to get us into the playoffs? I love Dunn, but Gosh (combined with healthy starters), that might just be enough to do it for us.

[Letemburn5]

Why down on Gerut? His 95 (I think it was) rating arm in MVP Baseball 2005 is nice!! :lol:

[frostwyrm]

Maybe I'm a pessimist but I think Gerut will be a crappy offensive player for the Cubs and we will regret this trade. He will be Hollandsworth with less offense and a bit more defense. I will be glad to be wrong about this.