Per LaRussa: Ramirez to start ASG; Rolen out, Ensberg in

[brinoch]

I think LaRussa's still annoyed at Clemens' last ASG performance, personally. He wants to win the game because he wants home field advantage should he make it to the World Series. All in all, personally, I really don't care who starts. Carpenter's been very good this year. So has Clemens; so has Willis. As much as I hate to say it, I think Clemens should start. But, if LaRussa wants to start his guy, I'm not going to complain.

[chicubs]

Lets compare him to Carpenter

 

Clemens: 1.48 ERA

Carpenter: 2.51 ERA

 

Clemens: 0.95 WHIP

Carpenter: 1.07 WHIP

 

 

Clemens: .188 BAA

Carpenter: .225 BAA

 

Carpenter has a slight edge in K/9 and K/BB. I would still start Clemens, mainly because he is the first pitcher in a long time to have an ERA this low this far into the season...

 

Clemens: 7 W

Carpenter: 13 W

 

Its stuff like this why I really dislike having other teams fans on this board. I dont want to bother dealing with homerism from other teams much less the Cubs.

 

Chicagocardfan, you just dont get it. Everyone (95%) besides Card fans agree that Clemens should start. Carpenter is a great pitcher, no doubt, but just doesnt have the stats. You could even argue that Willis should start ahead:

 

a) lower era

b) same # of wins.

[illiniguy]

Its good to see we kicked off a poster that was much closer to big league baseball than any of us here because he was a cardinals fan. I really don't get what DeePujols said to get him banned. I am a cubs fan and don't think we can say for sure that Nomar should have been at the all star game. He was hitting .180. He also admitted Felipe Lopez should be the starter. :roll:

[ManEatingTarp]

Lets compare him to Carpenter

 

Clemens: 1.48 ERA

Carpenter: 2.51 ERA

 

Clemens: 0.95 WHIP

Carpenter: 1.07 WHIP

 

 

Clemens: .188 BAA

Carpenter: .225 BAA

 

Carpenter has a slight edge in K/9 and K/BB. I would still start Clemens, mainly because he is the first pitcher in a long time to have an ERA this low this far into the season...

 

Clemens: 7 W

Carpenter: 13 W

 

Its stuff like this why I really dislike having other teams fans on this board. I dont want to bother dealing with homerism from other teams much less the Cubs.

 

Chicagocardfan, you just dont get it. Everyone (95%) besides Card fans agree that Clemens should start. Carpenter is a great pitcher, no doubt, but just doesnt have the stats. You could even argue that Willis should start ahead:

 

a) lower era

b) same # of wins.

 

I have an opinion. I backed up my opinion with stats. I've said several times that all 4 could start. I pointed out the difference in wins when jaydee left it out of the statline, nothing more. What this comes down to is how much you value Wins as a stat. I happen to think that it is an important stat, and it makes Carpenter the most rounded out starter of the group. If you don't agree with my opinion, that's fine, I don't have a problem with that.

I'm just going to agree to disagree and move on.

See everyone over in Rivalries...

:thumright:

[gus_dog]

Its good to see we kicked off a poster that was much closer to big league baseball than any of us here because he was a cardinals fan. I really don't get what DeePujols said to get him banned. I am a cubs fan and don't think we can say for sure that Nomar should have been at the all star game. He was hitting .180. He also admitted Felipe Lopez should be the starter. :roll:

 

Nobody got booted :?:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

]Its good to see we kicked off a poster that was much closer to big league baseball than any of us here because he was a cardinals fan.

 

What?

[illiniguy]

]Its good to see we kicked off a poster that was much closer to big league baseball than any of us here because he was a cardinals fan.

 

What?

the poster in question is a friend of mine who has played professional baseball and definately has a great knowledge of the behind the scenes stuff. If he was booted for what he wrote in this thread I am really scratching my head.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Lets compare him to Carpenter

 

Clemens: 1.48 ERA

Carpenter: 2.51 ERA

 

Clemens: 0.95 WHIP

Carpenter: 1.07 WHIP

 

 

Clemens: .188 BAA

Carpenter: .225 BAA

 

Carpenter has a slight edge in K/9 and K/BB. I would still start Clemens, mainly because he is the first pitcher in a long time to have an ERA this low this far into the season...

 

Clemens: 7 W

Carpenter: 13 W

 

Considering how poor Houston's offense was in April and May, and how poor it's bullpen is sans Lidge...7 wins is damn impressive. So, even counting wins, Clemens leads in 3 key stats, Carp in one (and that the least important). Clemens ERA is more than a run lower. Clemens got shafted.

[vaball]

I wanted to see Carpenter start over Clemens, but I agree that Clemens has been the better pitcher this season and deserves it more based on his numbers. But I do not agree that Willis deserved to start over Carpenter.

 

Willis only leads him in ERA, and not by much. And over the past month and two starts Carpenter has clearly been pitching better than Willis. Plus, if Carpenter starts, Willis gets to pitch to his normal catcher LoDuca, since Piazza has to start.

[reggiemiller rules]

On another allstar topic, Lee and pujols are the only first baseman. Do you guys think that they will both play all 9 innings? Or if they will put another position player in for Lee at some point?

[illiniguy]

On another allstar topic, Lee and pujols are the only first baseman. Do you guys think that they will both play all 9 innings? Or if they will put another position player in for Lee at some point?

i hope not. lee has been hurt, I am sure one of those guys could play a few innings over there.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

On another allstar topic, Lee and pujols are the only first baseman. Do you guys think that they will both play all 9 innings? Or if they will put another position player in for Lee at some point?

 

I don't know. It wouldn't shock me to see Lee play all nine. Someone likely will sub in at DH. I don't see how you could justify not doing that.

[Gracies Girl]

But if you sub in at DH, then the pitcher has to bat for the rest of the game.

 

Now in theory you could sub Pujols over to first, and then have a pinch hitter bat for the pitcher and double-switch in for the rest of the way the next time the pitcher's spot came up. I certainly wouldn't put it past LaRussa to be intrigued by the notion!

[gus_dog]

But if you sub in at DH, then the pitcher has to bat for the rest of the game.

 

Now in theory you could sub Pujols over to first, and then have a pinch hitter bat for the pitcher and double-switch in for the rest of the way the next time the pitcher's spot came up. I certainly wouldn't put it past LaRussa to be intrigued by the notion!

 

This is exactly what I think LaRussa will do....bank on it!

[Illini Iceman]

]Its good to see we kicked off a poster that was much closer to big league baseball than any of us here because he was a cardinals fan.

 

What?

the poster in question is a friend of mine who has played professional baseball and definately has a great knowledge of the behind the scenes stuff. If he was booted for what he wrote in this thread I am really scratching my head.

 

It would be a real shame to lose a poster that played professional baseball and has a great knowledge of the behind the scenes stuff and therefore was able to provide brilliant contributions such as an eye roll icon with no other comment to a perfectly valid post. I only wish I had enough experience to provide that kind of insight!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

But if you sub in at DH, then the pitcher has to bat for the rest of the game.

 

Now in theory you could sub Pujols over to first, and then have a pinch hitter bat for the pitcher and double-switch in for the rest of the way the next time the pitcher's spot came up. I certainly wouldn't put it past LaRussa to be intrigued by the notion!

 

No, you can sub at DH. What you can't do is put the DH in the field. If you put the DH in the field, ie move Pujols to first, then the pitcher would have to hit.

[1wizard]

I don't know. It wouldn't shock me to see Lee play all nine. Someone likely will sub in at DH. I don't see how you could justify not doing that.

 

Heck, you can justify it because manager should do what is best for the National League. With that said, if D. Lee is nursing an injury than you sub him out. Other than that D. Lee plays the whole game at first and Albert hits every time in the DH spot. I don't care to see Jason Bay or anyone else on the bench bat at the expense of Albert or D. Lee.

[Crash]

I don't know. It wouldn't shock me to see Lee play all nine. Someone likely will sub in at DH. I don't see how you could justify not doing that.

 

Heck, you can justify it because manager should do what is best for the National League. With that said, if D. Lee is nursing an injury than you sub him out. Other than that D. Lee plays the whole game at first and Albert hits every time in the DH spot. I don't care to see Jason Bay or anyone else on the bench bat at the expense of Albert or D. Lee.

 

You get into very dicey territory when the manager of a division rival (Larussa) risks the best player off another team (D. Lee) for 9 innings in an exhibition game. I mean how would Card fans feel if Dusty was managing and he had Carpenter throw 8 innings with 120 pitches to "do what is best for the National League".

[CubsHawks25]

I don't know. It wouldn't shock me to see Lee play all nine. Someone likely will sub in at DH. I don't see how you could justify not doing that.

 

Heck, you can justify it because manager should do what is best for the National League. With that said, if D. Lee is nursing an injury than you sub him out. Other than that D. Lee plays the whole game at first and Albert hits every time in the DH spot. I don't care to see Jason Bay or anyone else on the bench bat at the expense of Albert or D. Lee.

 

You get into very dicey territory when the manager of a division rival (Larussa) risks the best player off another team (D. Lee) for 9 innings in an exhibition game. I mean how would Card fans feel if Dusty was managing and he had Carpenter throw 8 innings with 120 pitches to "do what is best for the National League".

 

 

Your point is invalid because Dusty Baker will never be in that position (again) - at least not in Cubbie-blue. :(

[EastonBlues22]

I don't know. It wouldn't shock me to see Lee play all nine. Someone likely will sub in at DH. I don't see how you could justify not doing that.

 

Heck, you can justify it because manager should do what is best for the National League. With that said, if D. Lee is nursing an injury than you sub him out. Other than that D. Lee plays the whole game at first and Albert hits every time in the DH spot. I don't care to see Jason Bay or anyone else on the bench bat at the expense of Albert or D. Lee.

 

You get into very dicey territory when the manager of a division rival (Larussa) risks the best player off another team (D. Lee) for 9 innings in an exhibition game. I mean how would Card fans feel if Dusty was managing and he had Carpenter throw 8 innings with 120 pitches to "do what is best for the National League".

He said that if Lee was nursing an injury, then he shouldn't play the whole game.

 

If he's healthy, then how's that putting Lee "at risk" in some acceptable way? It's not like the eight extra putouts he might have a hand in, and the two extra at bats, pose a serious threat to him.

 

Certainly nothing like pushing a pitch count over the top like that.

[illiniguy]

]Its good to see we kicked off a poster that was much closer to big league baseball than any of us here because he was a cardinals fan.

 

What?

the poster in question is a friend of mine who has played professional baseball and definately has a great knowledge of the behind the scenes stuff. If he was booted for what he wrote in this thread I am really scratching my head.

 

It would be a real shame to lose a poster that played professional baseball and has a great knowledge of the behind the scenes stuff and therefore was able to provide brilliant contributions such as an eye roll icon with no other comment to a perfectly valid post. I only wish I had enough experience to provide that kind of insight!

yes because many here don't find Nomar to be overrated. I know I do. What has the guy done for us? Nothing he has done in the NL constitutes more than an eye roll as a response to him being the guy who would have started the all star game.

[TC3_Hinrich12]

Carpenter will get tagged, Clemens should've been starter. Just shows La Russa's bias.

[1908]

Its good to see we kicked off a poster that was much closer to big league baseball than any of us here because he was a cardinals fan. I really don't get what DeePujols said to get him banned.

His account wasn't banned. What makes you think it was?

[indifferent]

Carpenter will get tagged, Clemens should've been starter. Just shows La Russa's bias.

 

While I respect your taste in music, I don't see why Carpenter is more likely to get tagged than any of the other starters. Of the three pitchers, he has pitched better than the other two over the last month. What's wrong with going with the hottest hand? Besides, if all starters are only going to pitch one inning as Tony has laid out, it really doesn't matter.

 

Take heart in the fact that Isringhausen won't pitch. I like Isringhausen, but I'd prefer Cordero and Wagner get the innings.

[rocket]

Carpenter will get tagged, Clemens should've been starter. Just shows La Russa's bias.

 

yeah look at how awesome roger did last year when he started