2025 Bears Offseason Thread

[Hairyducked Idiot]

16 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Thats very different than saying that the line of decision-making is dependent on the preceeding ones.

 

Yes, Bears fans should fear every decision that comes from the Bears organization.

Burning two first-round picks is what gave Poles the runway to say "well garsh, we needed a slow rebuild, we were so bereft of talent and assets."  True or untrue, it's why he's still here today.

Edited January 6, 2025 by Hairyducked Idiot

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Poles thinks he's Moneyballing by finding undervalued talent. And I guess he is, because the draft featured in the book Moneyball mostly sucked, and all these undervalued players Poles finds keep sucking.
 

I'm over the whole thing. I can't wait to find out which mid-round picks we burn on some random placekicker who has never played football before and can only use a dropkick.

[gflore34]

12 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Poles thinks he's Moneyballing by finding undervalued talent. And I guess he is, because the draft featured in the book Moneyball mostly sucked, and all these undervalued players Poles finds keep sucking.
 

I'm over the whole thing. I can't wait to find out which mid-round picks we burn on some random placekicker who has never played football before and can only use a dropkick.

Don't trust him to get it right in any phase, I'm certain we'll see more of the same nonsense.

[UMFan83]

3 hours ago, gflore34 said:

I believe he's nothing more than a glorified meathead who's propped up by excellent assistance coaches.

I don't see whats wrong with that as long as he can replace the assistants when they inevitably leave.  He build a strong culture and has an ultra aggressive mindset that the players seem to feed off of.  We'll see how he does after Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn leave which seems like this offseason.  BTW Ben Johnson declining to take a HC job last offseason in order to "finish the job" says a lot about the culture Campbell built, even if the HC options weren't ideal for him.

[BigSlick]

I am utterly bewildered by people who are mad at the 2022 tear down. What.... what was the difference there? Instead of 3-14 we could have been 7-10 ? There's nothing about what they did that offseason/season that I am upset about. 

I really don't get it. 

I am, however, upset at squandering the resources that were accumulated at that time. That's legit. 

Edited January 6, 2025 by BigSlick

[Brian707]

1 minute ago, BigSlick said:

I am utterly bewildered by people who are mad at the 2022 tear down. What.... what was the difference there? Instead of 3-14 we could have been 7-10 ? There's nothing about what they did that offseason/season that I am upset about. 

I really don't get it. 

Because two years later they still suck at 5-12

[BigSlick]

I'm marginally annoyed they're interviewing any DC candidates at all.

Don't interview a single defensive minded person. Don't even give the impression it's a possibility. 

[WrigleyField 22]

55 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Burning two first-round picks is what gave Poles the runway to say "well garsh, we needed a slow rebuild, we were so bereft of talent and assets."  True or untrue, it's why he's still here today.

Eh you can come up with any excuse to do that if that's what you want to do. And it's what he wanted.  That the Bears gave him the opportunity he wanted isnt some direct line back to Bears keeping Pace that year before.

[jersey cubs fan]

6 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

I am utterly bewildered by people who are mad at the 2022 tear down. What.... what was the difference there? Instead of 3-14 we could have been 7-10 ? There's nothing about what they did that offseason/season that I am upset about. 

I really don't get it. 

I am, however, upset at squandering the resources that were accumulated at that time. That's legit. 

They had chances to add to the team and chose not to. They took multiple off seasons off and are paying the price.

Losing on purpose is disgraceful and having it blow up in your face is good. Most teams fail miserably at the tank and fans who apllaud them deserve to have their teams remain in the gutter. 

[WrigleyField 22]

10 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

I am utterly bewildered by people who are mad at the 2022 tear down. What.... what was the difference there? Instead of 3-14 we could have been 7-10 ? There's nothing about what they did that offseason/season that I am upset about. 

I really don't get it. 

I am, however, upset at squandering the resources that were accumulated at that time. That's legit. 

Losing is bad.  Losing on purpose is really bad.  The "Cap hell" was a myth. Yes 7-10 is better than 3-14.  The cumulative league record of bottoming out isn't favorable.  Seriously look at the history of #1 to relevance.  The case studies are really not that favorable.

 

The only empiracle evidence us that higher picks are on average better, but the practical evidence if that going to good use for the actual team is comparatively pretty bad.

Edited January 6, 2025 by WrigleyField 22

[Brian707]

No No No

 

 

[BigSlick]

Just now, jersey cubs fan said:

 

Losing on purpose is disgraceful and having it blow up in your face is good. Most teams fail miserably at the tank and fans who apllaud them deserve to have their teams remain in the gutter. 

This simply doesn't bother me. It's not a thing I care about or factor in at all really. 

[We Got The Whole 9]

Just now, BigSlick said:

I am utterly bewildered by people who are mad at the 2022 tear down. What.... what was the difference there? Instead of 3-14 we could have been 7-10 ? There's nothing about what they did that offseason/season that I am upset about. 

I really don't get it. 

His refusal to add through FA is why the roster is paper thin. Most of his picks haven't hit and he relied on almost exclusively building through the draft and we have paid the consequence with a OL that could not support our franchise rookie QB and an almost non-existent pass rush. 

[BigSlick]

1 minute ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

His refusal to add through FA is why the roster is paper thin. Most of his picks haven't hit and he relied on almost exclusively building through the draft and we have paid the consequence with a OL that could not support our franchise rookie QB and an almost non-existent pass rush. 

Correct! Agreed on all counts! That doesn't change my mind about the 2022 tear down though. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

3 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

No No No

 

 

wheres the FUCKYOU emoji

[BigSlick]

there are so few people that look exactly as Dumb as they are, and Mike McCarthy is one of em

 

just so obviously a Dumb Guy. You can just tell from his slackjawed face 

[mul21]

7 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

No No No

 

 

I would hate it, but not as much as I'd hate a defensive hire.

[WrigleyField 22]

1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Poles thinks he's Moneyballing by finding undervalued talent. And I guess he is, because the draft featured in the book Moneyball mostly sucked, and all these undervalued players Poles finds keep sucking.
 

I'm over the whole thing. I can't wait to find out which mid-round picks we burn on some random placekicker who has never played football before and can only use a dropkick.

Funny enough, he actually is a money baller, and not *awful* at in in sense of finding value, at least for the OL;

 

APY spent on line. Estimated FMV (per Over the Cap Metric)

Team________APY OL________OTC Val________Excess Value
Broncos ______76,176,343____81,484,000_______5,307,657
Commanders___51,151,401____55,897,000_______4,745,599
Bears_________32,822,433___42,651,000_______9,828,567

He technincally built the most efficient OL which is very pleasing to the average anlaytic nerd who will probably tell you blindly "Sacks are a QB stat". Who cares if its half as productive as Denvers - look how wasteful theirs is!

 

Edited January 6, 2025 by WrigleyField 22

[WrigleyField 22]

17 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

No No No

 

 

Just gonna lie and tell myself every single request is a negotiating tactic against Johnson's agent.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The Vikings and Broncos were in cap hell this season.

[WrigleyField 22]

10 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

The Vikings and Broncos were in cap hell this season.

They can't be in something that doesn't exist.

[SpongeWorthy]

i think the “real” shortlist is probably Johnson, Vrabel, Flores, Cohen, Brady, and Kingsbury and the stuff about Weaver, McCarthy, TB, and Kafka is a ploy to get the their agents to push them to take interviews

[UMFan83]

I want Ben Johnson or if not him an offensive minded HC.  Full Stop.  But I don't hate the idea of a floor raiser...someone with a proven track record of building a winning culture.  I don't particularly like McCarthy, but if Tomlin was available for instance, I'd be all over that (if the big offensive options werent available).  18 years with the Steelers, 0 losing seasons.  That's incredible to me even if his ceiling is not that great.  I bet he'd get the Bears into the playoffs next year though.

Or maybe Pete Carroll but he's been out of the game for a few years and he's really old so I'm not sure if its a good move, but apparently he really wants the job and is trying to assemble a staff.

But again, Ben Johnson should be the focus.  Developing Caleb and building an offense to match his talents should be the number 1 consideration on any offseason decision.  "Does this help Caleb succeed?"

Edited January 6, 2025 by UMFan83

[WrigleyField 22]

5 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I want Ben Johnson or if not him an offensive minded HC.  Full Stop.  But I don't hate the idea of a floor raiser...someone with a proven track record of building a winning culture.  I don't particularly like McCarthy, but if Tomlin was available for instance, I'd be all over that (if the big offensive options werent available).  18 years with the Steelers, 0 losing seasons.  That's incredible to me even if his ceiling is not that great.  I bet he'd get the Bears into the playoffs next year though.

Or maybe Pete Carroll but he's been out of the game for a few years and he's really old so I'm not sure if its a good move, but apparently he really wants the job and is trying to assemble a staff.

But again, Ben Johnson should be the focus.  Developing Caleb and building an offense to match his talents should be the number 1 consideration on any offseason decision.  "Does this help Caleb succeed?"

After Johnson, I'm truely more open to candidates regardless of background. Though to the extent they have HC background I'm looking at it differently.  I'll grant that going O will raise floor of possibilies for Williams development, but I truely think they can't be so short sided.  So I'd have a slight preference for O but also can't really pretend that from my view I could look at like Weaver and Coen and make a "all else equal" type claim on it.

 

Of course it's the Bears so I kind of expect failure but that's true if it's a non Ben OC too lol

[SpongeWorthy]

monken is a sick play caller but a little old for my tastes