Week 18, Bears at Packers, noon Sunday, Fox

[We Got The Whole 9]

This was a borderline playoff team that fell victim to horrible planning by the GM who had horrible coaches forced upon him by horrible ownership and upper-management. Such a slap in the fans faces,

 

Props to Caleb for surviving 17 games through that horsefeathers. Please cut about 25 sacks at least off for next year. Work all offseason on your horrendous accuracy also please.

 

Don't trade Moore or Johnson. Feature Kmet more. Get the absolute best edge you can to complement Sweat. Trade for veteran IOL if you can.

[gflore34]

6 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Jenkins is gonna be another Columbo. Stay healthy and get some PB nods and be a top 10 G after his Bears career is done. 

I don't believe so, the dude's an injury waiting to happen.  He can barely finish a game, don't know how the Bears can be blamed.

[WrigleyField 22]

2 minutes ago, Derwood said:

FWIW, the other NFC teams get:

Detroit - Tampa Bay, LA Rams, Kansas City
Minnesota - Atlanta, Seattle, LA Chargers
Green Bay - Carolina, Arizona, Denver

Basically there feels like there's no real difference in the NFC South.  And the NFC West has lots of parity too with the 49ers having a down year, it feels like Bears got worst draw.

 

At least they get Raiders.

[WrigleyField 22]

1 minute ago, gflore34 said:

I don't believe so, the dude's an injury waiting to happen.  He can barely finish a game, don't know how the Bears can be blamed.

Among the changes I wouldn't mind seeing on the coaching staff is the entire strength, conditioning  and medical.  I don't know what the data necessarily supports, but it feels like they haven't done a good job with keeping guys healthy.  

[BigSlick]

It’s a small thing but…what happened to Montez Sweat this year? Yeah, no help on the other side of the defensive line but….5.5 sacks in 17 games? I don’t remember hearing his name basically at all the back half of the season. I don’t care if you have no other pass rushing help, that ain’t fuckin good enough if you’re supposedly “elite”

[Irrelevant Dude]

38 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Incentives and heavy per game bonuses sounds reasonable.

I wouldn't even do that.  It's time to move on and find more reliable linemen, even if they don't have quite the same talent ceiling.  Yes, Jenkins can be a very good player when healthy, but there is no reason to believe that he will ever remain healthy.  I would rather not even have him factored into any permutation of the line construction, because whatever you are hoping to get from him, you probably aren't going to get.

[minnesotacubsfan]

13 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I wouldn't even do that.  It's time to move on and find more reliable linemen, even if they don't have quite the same talent ceiling.  Yes, Jenkins can be a very good player when healthy, but there is no reason to believe that he will ever remain healthy.  I would rather not even have him factored into any permutation of the line construction, because whatever you are hoping to get from him, you probably aren't going to get.

Jenkins and Sweat have been by far the most disappointing vets this year

[mul21]

18 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

It’s a small thing but…what happened to Montez Sweat this year? Yeah, no help on the other side of the defensive line but….5.5 sacks in 17 games? I don’t remember hearing his name basically at all the back half of the season. I don’t care if you have no other pass rushing help, that ain’t fuckin good enough if you’re supposedly “elite”

He played hurt the entire season after the injury.  There are a lot of guys who would have been out 3-4 weeks with that injury.  Props to him for being a gamer.

[mul21]

12 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

Nah, here is the snap

 

 

Then they ran a play that was a sideline throw to DJ that ended with :15 left but as soon as they snapped it they threw the flag for illegal shift.  The next play was snapped with :15 left.  I googled illegal shift and it says: Yes, an "illegal shift" is considered a pre-snap penalty in football, and the play clock does not move when it is called; the offensive team is simply penalized 5 yards and must re-set their formation"

 

Illegal shift is a "live ball" penalty, just like holding or offsides.  The play counts and then the other team gets to decide if they're taking the penalty or not, so you lose the time off the clock regardless.  It was done correctly from a procedural standpoint.

[Brian707]

35 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

At least they get Raiders.

That would be a good road game to see but I am sure prices will be too high for me. That or the NFL will schedule it on Christmas 

[gflore34]

Other than Caleb, the punt return was my favorite play of the season.  After the Packers won in Chicago they were ready to anoint their special teams coach as the greatest ever.  Some kind of a special teams whisperer because he had the "foresight" to predict a blocked kick on a noodle legged kicker who has to kick a line drive on long attempts.  Just hilarious the Bears were able to fool them so badly, was Blackwell even touched?

Edited January 6, 2025 by gflore34

[UMFan83]

2 hours ago, mul21 said:

Illegal shift is a "live ball" penalty, just like holding or offsides.  The play counts and then the other team gets to decide if they're taking the penalty or not, so you lose the time off the clock regardless.  It was done correctly from a procedural standpoint.

Thanks..different from what I saw on my brief google search but I believe you, especially because no one said anything anywhere about this.  Either way it worked out, but I was initially fretting about those 5 seconds when Caleb passed to the middle of the field.  Looked like the 2 Packers who tackled DJ were trying to knock the ball away after he was down.  If they did, there's a chance it would have taken too long to recover but he held on and quickly reset the ball.  For a team that has repeatedly failed in these situations all year that was nice execution.

[UMFan83]

2 hours ago, mul21 said:

He played hurt the entire season after the injury.  There are a lot of guys who would have been out 3-4 weeks with that injury.  Props to him for being a gamer.

Yeah and Hamp and OB trashed him all season on their postgame shows, talking about his snap count and how much he was being paid.  Also with the Bears not having a great pass rush I'm sure he was double and triple teamed a lot when he was on the field.  Tough situation to be in.

[We Got The Whole 9]

2 hours ago, gflore34 said:

Other than Caleb, the punt return was my favorite play of the season.  After the Packers won in Chicago they were ready to anoint their special teams coach as the greatest ever.  Some kind of a special teams whisperer because he had the "foresight" to predict a blocked kick on a noodle legged kicker who has to kick a line drive on long attempts.  Just hilarious the Bears were able to fool them so badly, was Blackwell even touched?

They flawlessly pulled it off with Johnny Knox a decade ago in a critical moment of a critical game and the horsefeathers zebras threw a flag on a phantom penalty

[minnesotacubsfan]

7 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Yeah and Hamp and OB trashed him all season on their postgame shows, talking about his snap count and how much he was being paid.  Also with the Bears not having a great pass rush I'm sure he was double and triple teamed a lot when he was on the field.  Tough situation to be in.

on the bright side, Dexter doubled his sack count in 2 less games this year..soemthing to build on

 

 

[jersey cubs fan]

3 hours ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

Jenkins and Sweat have been by far the most disappointing vets this year

Jenkins? I don’t think many people expected much better than they got. If they did, that’s on them. He’s fine when he plays but can’t play. 
 

Sweat has been disappointing but it should not be a surprise that a line with one guy isn’t going to succeed 

[Cubfanintheknow]

Can't find the radio call from Joniak and Thayer for the game-winning field goal. Anyone?

[BigSlick]

I know Laurence Holmes has been ragging on them passing up Jalen Carter from last year but I’m also like….do you really want to see the 2024 Bears without Darnell Wright AND with a head case guy with character issues?? On THIS team? With THIS coaching staff??

Edited January 6, 2025 by BigSlick

[WrigleyField 22]

Just now, BigSlick said:

I know Laurence Holmes has been ragging on them passing up Jalen Carter from last year but I’m also like….do you really want to see the 2024 Bears without Darnell Wright AND with a head case guy with character issues??

Given the alternative, no.  But a lot still just goes back to Poles trying to slow build and thread the needle on the whole roster, but especially the OL.  He needed every move he did make to hit to even have an average OL.  As it was several flopped and we have the weak ass OL we do.

[BigSlick]

The 2024 Bears had an inordinate number of injuries on their OLine but the Line was also unacceptably mediocre fully healthy. 3 years into a tenure. Can’t be that untalented on the line 3 years in, IMO.

[jersey cubs fan]

15 minutes ago, Cubfanintheknow said:

Can't find the radio call from Joniak and Thayer for the game-winning field goal. Anyone?

I assume they were busy doing an ad read when the kick happened 

[gflore34]

30 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

I know Laurence Holmes has been ragging on them passing up Jalen Carter from last year but I’m also like….do you really want to see the 2024 Bears without Darnell Wright AND with a head case guy with character issues?? On THIS team? With THIS coaching staff??

Did a comparison between Dexter and Carter, stats wise, there's nothing to suggest Carter' appreciably better than Dexter.  Get another guy who can get to the QB and we'll see Dexter have a larger impact.  My guess is a less than healthy Sweat allowed teams to double up on Dexter for most of the season.

[minnesotacubsfan]

37 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Did a comparison between Dexter and Carter, stats wise, there's nothing to suggest Carter' appreciably better than Dexter.  Get another guy who can get to the QB and we'll see Dexter have a larger impact.  My guess is a less than healthy Sweat allowed teams to double up on Dexter for most of the season.

Carter ended up having a better rookie year but this year it’s been even. Id wager Carter ends up being better long run

[BigSlick]

Sure. And the thing that really separates elite defensive units from everyone else is a bomb ass pass rushing DT. But we got bigger fish to fry first, unfortunately (like constructing, still, a professional offense)

[jumbo]

15 hours ago, gflore34 said:

Did a comparison between Dexter and Carter, stats wise, there's nothing to suggest Carter' appreciably better than Dexter.  Get another guy who can get to the QB and we'll see Dexter have a larger impact.  My guess is a less than healthy Sweat allowed teams to double up on Dexter for most of the season.

Not sure where to look it up, but I'd check out double team rate against each of these guys before declaring Dex close to Carter. Carter does have better players around him too, column A/column B,  I guess