Bears week 12 vs Vikings Sunday at noon on FOX

[minnesotacubsfan]

1 minute ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Shrug. Coaches come and go. Great QB play can sustain you for 15-20 years.  I'm infinitely more excited that our rookie QB put up 340 2/0 against the defense that terrified us all year leading up to this game, than I am mad about the specifics of losing the game.

Heck, if anything I would be mad at Poles for consistently prioritizing LB and DB over pass rush.

OL needs talent as well. but I cant see how Eberflus at this point can ever lead this team to a winning season

[gflore34]

1 minute ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

OL needs talent as well. but I cant see how Eberflus at this point can ever lead this team to a winning season

It's truly not possible, he's really stupid in that he doesn't learn from mistakes and try different approaches.  It's the same old losing strategy and tactics time and again.

[UMFan83]

1 hour ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

 Williams hasnt proved he can lead the team to a comeback win

 

 

Wait is this a serious post?  I just jumped back into this so if this is a bit my apologies....seems like a very bait worthy post from someone that doesn't usually have awful takes, so I must be missing something, but I'm gonna take the bait and spell it out anyways because it makes me feel better about myself and about Caleb.

-Gets the ball down 5 on the road with 4:21 left, leads the Bears on a TD drive to take a 3 point lead with 25 seconds left.

-Gets the ball down 1 with 2:59 left, leads the Bears to the opponents 30 yard line with 53 seconds left.

-Gets the ball down 11 with 1:47 left, leads the Bears on a TD drive, gets the 2 point conversion, then when ST successfully recovers an onside kick with 21 seconds left moves the ball 27 yards to set up a game tying FG. 

That is in the last 5 weeks.  The Bears lost all of those games because the defense allowed Washington to drive 65 yards in 25 seconds, the coach didn't try to get the ball closer and had the FG attempt blocked, and the defense couldn't make a stop on several 3rd and 10+ yard situations.  

But sure technically he hasn't proven he can lead the team to a comeback win so you are correct while also sounding ridiculously stupid.  This isn't the same as Justin throwing a perfect pass on 4th down to a made up wide receiver that almost certainly isn't in the NFL anymore and that WR dropping it and then extrapolating that to mean that Justin could have led them to a comeback had his team not let him down.  Caleb actually led the Bears to scores in those situations.  If the world wasn't created for the exact purpose of torturing Bears fans, the Bears would be 7-4.  31 other teams in the league would be 6-5 or 7-4 if you gave them the exact same circumstances.  But again we live in a world that was created specifically to torture Bears fans so we just have to accept that these things will continue to happen until we get the sweet release of death.

(I'm ok really, just trying to be dramatic to drive home my point that we are tortured)

Edited November 25, 2024 by UMFan83

[minnesotacubsfan]

2 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Wait is this a serious post?  I just jumped back into this so if this is a bit my apologies.

-Gets the ball down 5 on the road with 4:21 left, leads the Bears on a TD drive to take a 3 point lead with 25 seconds left.

-Gets the ball down 1 with 2:59 left, leads the Bears to the opponents 30 yard line with 53 seconds left.

-Gets the ball down 11 with 1:47 left, leads the Bears on a TD drive, gets the 2 point conversion, then when ST successfully recovers an onside kick with 21 seconds left moves the ball 27 yards to set up a game tying FG. 

That is in the last 5 weeks.  The Bears lost all of those games because the defense allowed Washington to drive 65 yards in 25 seconds, the coach didn't try to get the ball closer and had the FG attempt blocked, and the defense couldn't make a stop on several 3rd and 10+ yard situations.  

But sure technically he hasn't proven he can lead the team to a comeback win so you are correct while also sounding ridiculously stupid

the bears are running the risk of completely dermoralizing this kid. "comeback wins" are one of those stats that show really nothing in terms of talent, but will be used as a emphasis in terms of leadership qualitites. He's played well late in games, but they KEEP LOSING and thats never good

 

 

[UMFan83]

5 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

the bears are running the risk of completely dermoralizing this kid. "comeback wins" are one of those stats that show really nothing in terms of talent, but will be used as a emphasis in terms of leadership qualitites. He's played well late in games, but they KEEP LOSING and thats never good

 

 

Caleb didn't become a highly rated HS recruit, win a Heisman, get drafted number 1 overall without having some mental fortitude.  He knows he won the Bears those games...I really don't see him as being fragile enough to let this break him.  Could he be playing better this year?  Absolutely.  But with Mitch and Justin and would take those little flashes of goodness and use it to hold onto hope that those mean better times were coming.  With Caleb, those flashes of goodness are so good that they confirm without a shadow of a doubt in my mind that better times are coming.   I mean seriously just re-read my post and soak in the fact that in the last 5 weeks he took the ball trailing with under 4 minutes left 3 different times and led the Bears to victory or OT. 

I'm not worried about his mental state....I wish his mental state wouldn't be tested every horsefeathers week but I'm not worried about it. 

Edited November 25, 2024 by UMFan83

[Tryptamine]

God look at what a competent coach in Payton has done for Denver and namely Bo Nix. They're 7-5 now, Bo is on 4K yard pace and is probably going to win Rookie of the year with a fraction of the talent surrounding him.

Edited November 25, 2024 by Tryptamine

[Hairyducked Idiot]

23 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

the bears are running the risk of completely dermoralizing this kid. "comeback wins" are one of those stats that show really nothing in terms of talent, but will be used as a emphasis in terms of leadership qualitites. He's played well late in games, but they KEEP LOSING and thats never good

 

 

I think you're projecting your demoralization onto him 

[Wilson A2000]

13 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

God look at what a competent coach in Payton has done for Denver and namely Bo Nix. They're 7-5 now, Bo is on 4K yard pace and is probably going to win Rookie of the year with a fraction of the talent surrounding him.

If you don't have the right owners, your team has a real poor shot of being a good team.

The Bears have the wrong owners. They don't know how to hire the right people. They aren't good at anything. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Just now, Wilson A2000 said:

If you don't have the right owners, your team has a real poor shot of being a good team.

The Bears have the wrong owners. They don't know how to hire the right people. They aren't good at anything. 

They've been a good team under this ownership before 

[minnesotacubsfan]

15 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I think you're projecting your demoralization onto him 

i saw "deer in the headlights" in ot from williams. I'm not projecting sht

[Hairyducked Idiot]

6 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

i saw "deer in the headlights" in ot from williams. I'm not projecting sht

Lol ok 

[Tryptamine]

Just now, minnesotacubsfan said:

i saw "deer in the headlights" in ot from williams. I'm not projecting sht

On the deer in the headlight play, 2nd down, I can tell you exactly what he saw. Swift was a blocker on that play, but when Caleb couldn't find anyone open, swift jumped off his assignment and went like 5 yards down field, which Caleb saw. Unfortunately their were defenders in the way, so Caleb tried to make a window to make the throw but it took so long he should have just gotten rid of it instead. 

[UMFan83]

10 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

i saw "deer in the headlights" in ot from williams. I'm not projecting sht

Plays the entire game completely poised in the pocket, but 2 plays in OT are the only 2 you choose to focus on?  I get it, those were the biggest 2 plays in the game for him and he looked like a different QB, I pointed that out when it happened.  But they were only the 2 biggest plays of the game because he was successful in maybe a dozen other big plays to get to that point.  He could have held onto the ball too long after the Bears recovered the onside kick knowing that all the pressure was on him to get the 25ish yards he needed to get to OT and knowing the defense was playing back to prevent deep passes, but he stepped up in the pocket and fired a perfectly timed 27 yard missile to Moore to get the ball into FG range.

[UMFan83]

4 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

On the deer in the headlight play, 2nd down, I can tell you exactly what he saw. Swift was a blocker on that play, but when Caleb couldn't find anyone open, swift jumped off his assignment and went like 5 yards down field, which Caleb saw. Unfortunately their were defenders in the way, so Caleb tried to make a window to make the throw but it took so long he should have just gotten rid of it instead. 

The play before that honestly bothered me more.  I'd have to watch the play again and I don't feel like watching highlights from another brutal loss, but he took the snap, looked like his 1st read was not open so he tucked the ball and ran right into a wall.  It looked so completely different than the QB that we just saw lead 2 consecutive scoring drives by staying in the pocket and getting the ball out in rhythm.  I know the 2nd down play was a lot more damaging but I didn't like to see the frazzled hurried scramble from Caleb to start the possession.

[minnesotacubsfan]

16 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Lol ok 

It wasn’t even my call; someone else in this thread made that call

 

competent coaches have this team in a playoff hunt. This coaching staff can’t, won’t, and aren’t.  Caleb Williams time should be now but the Bears are run by a bucket of goo it seems

 

 

Edited November 25, 2024 by minnesotacubsfan

[minnesotacubsfan]

21 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

On the deer in the headlight play, 2nd down, I can tell you exactly what he saw. Swift was a blocker on that play, but when Caleb couldn't find anyone open, swift jumped off his assignment and went like 5 yards down field, which Caleb saw. Unfortunately their were defenders in the way, so Caleb tried to make a window to make the throw but it took so long he should have just gotten rid of it instead. 

1st and 2nd weren’t great. I account most of that series to Thomas and Williams being shocked they got into OT and were ill prepared, but to watch Eberflus’s D allow Vikings to simple take the game was what broke me. Get the horsefeathers ball back to Williams 

[Tryptamine]

11 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

1st and 2nd weren’t great. I account most of that series to Thomas and Williams being shocked they got into OT and were ill prepared, but to watch Eberflus’s D allow Vikings to simple take the game was what broke me. Get the horsefeathers ball back to Williams 

I'm 100% with you on the defense. That was laughably awful.

[UMFan83]

I have decided that the most Bears way to Bears up the Eberflus situation is to fire Eberflus after losing to the Lions, Thomas Brown taking over as Interim HC, the Bears going 3-2 down the stretch to finish 7-10 and then hiring Brown as permanent HC over guys like Shanahan and Ben Johnson.  Shanahan and Ben Johnson's new teams meet in the Super Bowl next year while Brown goes 6-11 and a frustrated Caleb puts it out there that he wants out of Chicago.

[jersey cubs fan]

1 hour ago, Wilson A2000 said:

If you don't have the right owners, your team has a real poor shot of being a good team.

The Bears have the wrong owners. They don't know how to hire the right people. They aren't good at anything. 

The broncos haven’t exactly been blessed with an amazing ownership situation 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

It wasn’t even my call; someone else in this thread made that call

 

competent coaches have this team in a playoff hunt. This coaching staff can’t, won’t, and aren’t.  Caleb Williams time should be now but the Bears are run by a bucket of goo it seems

 

 

"This coaching staff has kept the bears out of a playoff hunt this season" is a different argument from "Williams is going to spiral into badness if we keep them and he had a deer in the headlights look in ot"

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The ot sack was just overconfidence in his ability to get away.  It's definitely part of his game you have to live with 

[Rex Buckingham]

The throws Caleb made to Swift down the sideline and then to Moore to set up the tying FG are about as good of throws as I have seen a Bears QB make. 

[Wilson A2000]

2 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

The broncos haven’t exactly been blessed with an amazing ownership situation 

There’s always a few exceptions. At least they can hire a coach.

[Tryptamine]

13 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

There's going to be a lot of people hyper focused on that Caleb sack ignoring he was great the rest of the game.

Sure enough, this is what people are running with. Not that Caleb is the only reason they got to OT, not that the vaunted defense completely crumbled, but one play in OT where he tried too long to make a play happen.

[BigbadB]

I don't know if it's just that every coach makes idiotic decisions all game long and I don't notice, or if Eberflus is just the exception to the rule, but his incompetence all game long now is just staggering. Maybe I'm just looking for reasons to think he's really just this incompetent, or he really is this bad. To me, there is just no way you can let him finish the season. I get not doing it now on the short week, but holy crap it can't get much worse than it is now. 

The Bears defense in OT was playing defense like a team up two scores and just trying to keep the plays in front of them to run out the clock. At the very least, they looked like a team thinking that regardless of what the Vikings did on their series, that Chicago would get another chance with the football.

To MinnesotaCubFan. Dude, this is NOT Caleb's time. No rookie QB in the history of Super Bowls has ever taken their team to the big game, let alone won it. And I'm sorry, but Caleb did put his team in a position to win late multiple times. It's not his fault that management decided to prevent his comeback from actually being successful.

The Bears were a half inch out of bounds (Keenan Allen's challenged catch) from absolutely scoring on that series. The muffed punt never should have happened, and it clearly led to another score for the Vikings. The Bears played well enough to win this game, but coaching stood in the way once again. No, coaching had nothing to do with Keenan not being completely in bounds on that catch or the muffed punt or the blocked field goal, but coaching haunted this team in so many other ways that I absolutely put all of the blame directly on them.

This team is poorly coached in every aspect of the game. They are second in the league in pre-snap penalties. Other teams get away over and over again with roughing up our receivers and QB's and the calls don't seem to ever reciprocate in the Bears favor. Eberflus couldn't win a challenge if he had 100% evidence the wrong/right call was made. His use of clock management is laughable, and he stores timeouts like a squirrel hiding nuts for the winter at times he should use them, then wastes them at times when he desperately needs them. 

There has been enough said casually by the players that they've had enough, so to not even have the players in your corner says all that needs to be said. 

I really like Poles, and I was hoping that his decisions turned this franchise into a winning one. He chose Eberflus as his head coach, and he stuck with him at a time when a clean slate might have been a better choice with a potential franchise QB walking in the door. I don't think he can be the guy to make the next choice. And I really don't think I have any faith that the decision makers can find the right people to do the job.