The Bears are on the clock; Packers Week

[David]

1 hour ago, UK said:

I hope Fields can show some success against zone coverage.

It's amazing how good he is against man coverage and just as amazing how bad he is against zone.

Yup.  And not enough people are talking about it.  Falcons played a ton of man on Sunday.  Packers play a ton of zone.  

[Old Style]

Jesus H, if this organization keeps Goatse as OC I probably won’t even bother watching next year. Dude is atrocious. 

[BigSlick]

I don't want to touch Jayden Daniels with a ten foot pole

It's possible he ends up being a great pro QB, but I'm not gonna take a flyer on him. I'd rate Bo Nix and Penix way, way, way above him. 

Just talking physically, the guy needs to put on like 40 pounds of good weight to survive a pro pass rush. 

This is from a scouting report:

"Daniels' arm talent and accuracy is a mixed bag. On one hand, he's a phenomenal deep thrower in rhythm. He regularly drops it in the bucket without needing his receivers to break stride. However, Daniels' arm strength and accuracy are less dangerous to other parts of the field. He doesn't always have the velocity to fit tight windows, and his accuracy in the 1-20 yard range comes and goes. Daniels' accuracy especially falls off when he's forced to throw out of rhythm or late in the down."

For those of us living through the Justin Fields experience, its Justin Fields, except Smaller and Worse. 

Edited January 5, 2024 by BigSlick

[Ding Dong Johnson]

1 hour ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

wth are you talking about? 3800 yards and 40 tds

 

1 hour ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

I dont think you can tell jack from college numbers. 

The horsefeathers just happened?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, David said:

Yup.  And not enough people are talking about it.  Falcons played a ton of man on Sunday.  Packers play a ton of zone.  

All three of Fields' big games this year came against teams that stubbornly refused to move off of man coverage or double Moore.

[Brian707]

1 hour ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

I dont think you can tell jack from college numbers. JF had fewer sacks as many TDS as Caleb Williams, and a better rating. Does that mean Caleb is going to suck more?

 

Oh I agree, Williams has a higher ceiling. We know what Fields is, and he will at best with a top 5 defense get you a playoff win. Williams might get you a SB championship, he might bust, but its worth the pick with #1 here. Especially with the rookie deal resetting. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

44 minutes ago, Ding Dong Johnson said:

 

The horsefeathers just happened?

I didnt mean the proverbial "you" I meant the "hairy" you in both sentences

 

 

 

 

[Old Style]

17 hours ago, Brian707 said:

Oh I agree, Williams has a higher ceiling. We know what Fields is, and he will at best with a top 5 defense get you a playoff win. Williams might get you a SB championship, he might bust, but its worth the pick with #1 here. Especially with the rookie deal resetting. 

This kind of nonsense infuriates me. You’ve already determined with your decades of football experience that “we know” Fields ceiling is one playoff win even if he has a top 5 defense. Meanwhile we made it to the Super Bowl with a combo of Orton & Grossman at QB. 

[mul21]

21 minutes ago, Old Style said:

This kind of nonsense infuriates me. You’ve already determined with your decades of football experience that “we know” Fields ceiling is one playoff win even if he has a top 5 defense. Meanwhile we made it to the Super Bowl with a combo of Orton & Grossman at QB. 

The NFL is a completely different beast than it was 15 years ago and winning with defense and a running game just isn’t a thing anymore. 

[BigSlick]

38 minutes ago, mul21 said:

The NFL is a completely different beast than it was 15 years ago and winning with defense and a running game just isn’t a thing anymore. 

It's nice to have those things. Those things can definitely help you win, if and only if you have a competent and effective passing game.

There is no way to win a Super Bowl in the NFL if you don't have an effective passing game. That's it. 

[Brian707]

3 hours ago, Old Style said:

This kind of nonsense infuriates me. You’ve already determined with your decades of football experience that “we know” Fields ceiling is one playoff win even if he has a top 5 defense. Meanwhile we made it to the Super Bowl with a combo of Orton & Grossman at QB. 

I don't know anything but it's painfully obvious Fields is not the answer. I'd rather roll the dice with the next guy with the #1 pick. This opportunity won't come along again 

[Brian707]

2 hours ago, mul21 said:

The NFL is a completely different beast than it was 15 years ago and winning with defense and a running game just isn’t a thing anymore. 

If the Bears had a competent QB they would have beaten Indy too

[minnesotacubsfan]

4 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

If the Bears had a competent QB they would have beaten Indy too

Idk about that, both Mike Brown and Tommie Harris were hurt and didn’t play

[BigSlick]

7 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

Idk about that, both Mike Brown and Tommie Harris were hurt and didn’t play

The defense was still….OK against Manning at the peak of his powers, and Hester spotted the team 7. 
 

I watched highlights again recently and I forgot how much of a monsoon that game was. The variance that introduces probably favors the Bears, but then you also get the…Cedric Benson fumble ☹️

[WrigleyField 22]

The Bears made a SB with a top 5 defense from the past 30 years and  a Special Teams/ Return game advantage that will never be seen again.

 

Cool.

[Brian707]

2 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

The defense was still….OK against Manning at the peak of his powers, and Hester spotted the team 7. 
 

I watched highlights again recently and I forgot how much of a monsoon that game was. The variance that introduces probably favors the Bears, but then you also get the…Cedric Benson fumble ☹️

Yeah I rewatched that SB again a few months back and the Grossman 12 yard sack on 2nd and 1 around the Colts 40 down 2 points late in the 3rd quarter was another blunder. Thomas Jones was running wild all game

[Hairyducked Idiot]

46 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

The Bears made a SB with a top 5 defense from the past 30 years and  a Special Teams/ Return game advantage that will never be seen again.

 

Cool.

To expand, I think a lot of people forget that it wasn't just Hester, that specal teams unit was insane.  Hester was ridiculous, but the blocking was blasting open giant holes for him every week too.  It was legit the best specal teams unit I've ever seen.

[Old Style]

1 hour ago, Brian707 said:

I don't know anything but it's painfully obvious Fields is not the answer. I'd rather roll the dice with the next guy with the #1 pick. This opportunity won't come along again 

With halfway competent coaching we’d be in the playoffs right horsefeathers now. They gave away 3 almost guaranteed wins. 

[UMFan83]

1 hour ago, BigSlick said:

The defense was still….OK against Manning at the peak of his powers, and Hester spotted the team 7. 
 

I watched highlights again recently and I forgot how much of a monsoon that game was. The variance that introduces probably favors the Bears, but then you also get the…Cedric Benson fumble ☹️

22 points allowed while forcing 3 turnovers should have been enough to win that game. The offense did absolutely nothing except a couple nice runs from Jones to lead to the only offensive TD and a short FG drive.  Such a winnable game that was within 1 score in the 4th quarter until Grossman threw the pick 6 but everyone seems to remember it as a blowout. 
 

[BigSlick]

1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

To expand, I think a lot of people forget that it wasn't just Hester, that specal teams unit was insane.  Hester was ridiculous, but the blocking was blasting open giant holes for him every week too.  It was legit the best specal teams unit I've ever seen.

What’s Dave Taub doing these days? Can we offer him the head coaching job?

[WrigleyField 22]

26 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

What’s Dave Taub doing these days? Can we offer him the head coaching job?

They've changed too many blocking rules, it doesn't matter.  Why it will never be replicated.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

2 hours ago, Old Style said:

With halfway competent coaching we’d be in the playoffs right horsefeathers now. They gave away 3 almost guaranteed wins. 

I'm not clear on why coaching gets more of the blame than, say, the QB with possibly the worst fourth quarter stats in the league.

I haven't seen it is as much here, but in other bears fans spaces there's this weird belief that the team is "too conservative" when playing with leads or in tie games late.

 

I have no idea what that's based on. If anything we've been too aggressive.  We run the ball a lot with the lead, but no more than every other team.  We've been extremely aggressive when going for it on fourth downs to the point we passed on a go-ahead fourth quarter field goal.  The defense has been burned on blitzes late more than anything else, we rarely run a full 8 man coverage 

[Derwood]

I was actually looking forward to this game, but my local CBS has fucked me again (they've been in a contract dispute with DirecTV for the past 6 weeks)

[Soul]

I just have too much PTSD to think the Bears will win even though it should be possible and the point spread reflects that.

It would super awesome to see Fields have a great game.

[UK]

I have very limited confidence in Fields tomorrow. GB 20-10.