The Bears are on the clock; Packers Week

[CubinNY]

1 minute ago, raw said:

Who said anything about generational? They clearly far exceed what will be available in the 2025 draft. Like there wasn't this much thought that the Bears would take Bryce Young last year and he was a pretty consensus #1 pick last year. I know there are differences in the rookie clock, etc this year, but any QB in the 2025 is either not good enough to come out in the 2024 draft to be drafted as high as Williams or Maye, or is not eligible. If you know of any non-eligible QBs thought of as highly as these guys right now, you need to tell me the Powerball numbers as well.

If the Bears are going to trade down, I like NIx. If they are going to wait until a later round my opinion is not to draft any QB. 

[raw]

11 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

Because I'm not sure they are ready to move on from Fields.

You are absolutely basing this on the last 3 days. If you look at the stuff coming out, Fields' demeanor before the crowd chanting they wanted him Sunday, there's no way to come to the conclusion that the team isn't at least strongly considering moving on from Fields. Fields himself has clearly considered that the team is ready to move on from him, as is the entire team that continues to get questions about it, as it the entire fanbase since we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't very realistic that the Bears were considering moving on from Fields.

[jersey cubs fan]

13 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

Because I'm not sure they are ready to move on from Fields.

Okay, but admitting you aren’t sure they are ready to move on means you also aren’t sure they want to keep him. In either case, it simply is not true that you cannot envision the scenario where they keep the pick. 

[jersey cubs fan]

22 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Assuming the Bears trade the #1. The Bears would have 2 1sts in '25 and at least 2 2nds. They have enough draft capital to trade up for whatever QB they want if it became necessary. It's likely no one is as hyped as Williams, but I think that's an easy risk to take if the going price for '24 1.1 is anywhere near the rumors.

Trading out of 1 this year with the idea that you can trade up next year is a bad idea. You could easily wind up with late first rounders, that’ll cost you a horsefeathers ton to move back up. 

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3 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

If the Bears are going to trade down, I like NIx. If they are going to wait until a later round my opinion is not to draft any QB. 

I'm typically all for drafting QBs whenever possible, but I don't think it makes much sense if you keep Fields to take a QB in this draft. The Bears simply aren't going to jettison Bagent after his performance since joining this team (in camp, beating out 2 vets and winning 2 NFL starts). And I think drafting another QB puts him in another competition for the QB2 spot, which again is fine, but I don't see it as likely. Not to mention, it has Fields looking over his shoulder.....especially since Nix is likely a late 1 to early 2nd round pick. That's high enough to show, "we don't love Fields, but didn't have the balls to move on" which is the complete wrong way to approach things optically.

[jersey cubs fan]

I’m really not concerned with optics. It’s year 4 for Fields if he returns, so he either takes off or he doesn’t (he won’t). I’d rather keep bringing in competition for the room than remain stagnant just because Bagent wasn’t horrible and Fields didn’t completely prove he ain’t the man. One way or another, I think you have to draft a QB this year. 

[Tryptamine]

I'd rather upgrade 4 or 5 other positions, then have to rely on Williams being a significant upgrade over Fields.

[WrigleyField 22]

24 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

I'd rather upgrade 4 or 5 other positions, then have to rely on Williams being a significant upgrade over Fields.

That seems like an incredible false choice.  You aren't turning the #1 pick into 4 or 5 upgrades.

[raw]

33 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I’m really not concerned with optics. It’s year 4 for Fields if he returns, so he either takes off or he doesn’t (he won’t). I’d rather keep bringing in competition for the room than remain stagnant just because Bagent wasn’t horrible and Fields didn’t completely prove he ain’t the man. One way or another, I think you have to draft a QB this year. 

Yes, I understand that optics aren't a real reason not to do something. But if they keep Fields, it will be in part because they don't want to break up a team that has won 5 of the last 7 and because fans chanted his name at the last home game. If they keep Fields, optics will play a huge part in that decision. This is just what I will guess will happen, not what I would do.

[Rex Buckingham]

2025 QBs of note:

Quinn Ewers, Shedeur Sanders, Riley Leonard, Drew Allar, Carson Beck, Cam Ward, Dillon Gabriel...

None of those guys, save maybe Ewers, seems to come close to the type of prospect Maye or Williams is currently

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If they're making decisions based on fan chants at the game, we don't need to worry about any of it because they're not good at their jobs.

[Tryptamine]

Just now, WrigleyField 22 said:

That seems like an incredible false choice.  You aren't turning the #1 pick into 4 or 5 upgrades.

If the rumored package is correct,  you absolutely are. 2 1sts, a day 2 pick in '24 and a veteran on a good contract. Someone said 2 firsts in excess of '24 first, but I'd have a hard time believing that.

[Tryptamine]

5 minutes ago, Rex Buckingham said:

2025 QBs of note:

Quinn Ewers, Shedeur Sanders, Riley Leonard, Drew Allar, Carson Beck, Cam Ward, Dillon Gabriel...

None of those guys, save maybe Ewers, seems to come close to the type of prospect Maye or Williams is currently

Cam Ward is headed to the 2024 draft.

Edited January 3, 2024 by Tryptamine

[profisme]

4 minutes ago, Rex Buckingham said:

2025 QBs of note:

Quinn Ewers, Shedeur Sanders, Riley Leonard, Drew Allar, Carson Beck, Cam Ward, Dillon Gabriel...

None of those guys, save maybe Ewers, seems to come close to the type of prospect Maye or Williams is currently

Cam Ward declared for this year's draft.

[WrigleyField 22]

1 hour ago, Old Style said:

Lol @ thinking Williams or Maye are generational talents that far exceed what would be available in the 2025 draft. 

The consensus on them is both incredibly strong and there's not a super strong consensus on who the top guy in 2025 would even be whereas people easily had their targets set on Williams and Maye this time last year.

Granted sometimes a strong consensus guy emerges like a Joe Burrow, but the odds of being in that spot or being able to trade up are far from given.  If you're passing on Maye/Williams now the assumption is that if Fields busts your next QB pick will likely be something like the 3rd to 5th QB off the board in a draft (or the veteran FA/trade market). That CAN work as we see frequently, but the favorable outcomes are definitely low then.

[profisme]

Just now, Tryptamine said:

Can Ward is headed to the 2024 draft.

You beat me by mere seconds.

[Rex Buckingham]

That's 3 potential upgrades... top 10 pick this year, 2/3 this year, and a vet... the pick in '25 has no bearing on the '24 season, which I think it part of Wrigley's point

Edited January 3, 2024 by Rex Buckingham

[WrigleyField 22]

3 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

If the rumored package is correct,  you absolutely are. 2 1sts, a day 2 pick in '24 and a veteran on a good contract. Someone said 2 firsts in excess of '24 first, but I'd have a hard time believing that.

And half of those probably won't actually turn into an upgrade.  This has been a major problem with this discourse from much of the fanbase. The QBs are treated with major risk concerns and the trade down package treated as a sure thing.  Totally uneven dichotomy not based in reality.

[Rex Buckingham]

1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

Cam Ward is headed to the 2024 draft.

missed that... thought he was still planning to play another year... wouldn't mind using a 3rd rounder on him if they're sticking with Fields

[jersey cubs fan]

1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

If the rumored package is correct,  you absolutely are. 2 1sts, a day 2 pick in '24 and a veteran on a good contract. Someone said 2 firsts in excess of '24 first, but I'd have a hard time believing that.

That’s assuming not only that they get those things, but that they hit on all of them. You may be getting an opportunity to improve 4 spots, but it’s unlikely that you’ll succeed at all 4. 

[Tryptamine]

Just now, WrigleyField 22 said:

And half of those probably won't actually turn into an upgrade.  This has been a major problem with this discourse from much of the fanbase. The QBs are treated with major risk concerns and the trade down package treated as a sure thing.  Totally uneven dichotomy not based in reality.

I'd rather throw 4 darts than 1. The QB can't be just a little better than Fields, they need to be significantly better to justify losing all those potential upgrades.

[WrigleyField 22]

7 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

I'd rather throw 4 darts than 1. The QB can't be just a little better than Fields, they need to be significantly better to justify losing all those potential upgrades.

You're not even playing on the same dartboard.  It's not simply 4 equal throws to 1.  

[raw]

16 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

If they're making decisions based on fan chants at the game, we don't need to worry about any of it because they're not good at their jobs.

Well yeah, my point wasn't that it was a good idea, just that it's going to happen.

[Tryptamine]

Just now, WrigleyField 22 said:

You're not even playing on the same dartboard.  It's not simply 4 equal throws to 1.  

I know this, but it's also spreading out the risk. I also think it's incredibly safe to say MHJ or Nabers is a significant upgrade over Mooney and while a QB upgrade is worth more than a WR upgrade, that's why there's 3 more potential upgrades besides this.

[raw]

19 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

If the rumored package is correct,  you absolutely are. 2 1sts, a day 2 pick in '24 and a veteran on a good contract. Someone said 2 firsts in excess of '24 first, but I'd have a hard time believing that.

You really think counting picks in 2025 as upgrades makes logical sense? First of all, they won't upgrade anything for 2024 so IDK why you would count them. Secondly, when that pick is made, there will be a whole new roster. Maybe Montez Sweat gets a career ending injury so then you're drafting a DE but you're also not upgrading that position from Sweat. Third, you can't count 1 of those picks you get as an upgrade, because the Bears already have the #1 pick. They aren't "gaining" a 2024 first if they trade. They are moving down. Lastly, they have to actually hit on these picks.