C+C Losing Factory (Thursday on Prime)

[We Got The Whole 9]

5 hours ago, raw said:

You would think he would have more arm strength, considering his dad's living was literally made on arm strength. LOL

Honestly though, I think it's arm strength. Obviously, he has more arm strength than most people on the planet, and it's an NFL caliber arm, but it's at the very low end of that level. He's Gardner Minshew level. His feet are all over the place right now too. And the mechanics aren't near perfection, but I don't think that helps that much. He needs to be able to step into throws and get his whole body into the throw to get it where it needs to go distance and velocity wise. The elite arm guys can put that velocity on throws off their back foot. He'll never be able to do that, or throw into super tight windows. He has a Kyle Hendricks level fastball, and that's fine. But I don't think it gets much better.

I think the footwork has a lot to do with the accuracy issues. He throws from some odd platforms and doesn't set the base. Specifically 2 of the picks vs NO were just disregard for the lower half/not driving the ball. I think that will be addressed. Of course it's hard to get that right when you're a UDFA from BFE D2 and thrown to the wolves. Definitely needs to clean up those throws that end up behind the receiver by no fault but his own.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

re: Bagent's raw arm strength:

https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/

Bagent's raw veloity at the combine was pretty good.  Roughly the same as Stroud, Herbert and Mahomes.  (side note, JFC Josh Allen is on another level).

 

[CubinNY]

On 11/10/2023 at 11:56 AM, raw said:

"A couple mistakes" seems to "Yada yada" over the fact he destroyed a pivotal (maybe THE most pivotal) year of his QBs development by giving him nothing to work with and incompetent coaching last year. 

I do acknowledge the good moves as well. I like the boldness of the Claypool and Sweat trades. But at the same time, I agree with jersey that there's no reason to trust him to run the team in the right direction. But I am more willing to acknowledge the faults of Fields and accept if Flus was pushed on him by ownership and would be OK with giving him another chance, but I'd just as soon bring in a new GM with a coach and QB all on the same timeline for the first time in franchise history.

Perfect use of the Seinfeld reference 

[Bobson Dugnutt]

[Tryptamine]

Carolina is now the only team with just 1 win. 

[mfcubs22]

4 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

Carolina is now the only team with just 1 win. 

And their strength of schedule is pretty bad so they will likely have the tiebreaker over many of the other terrible teams.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Feeling really good about getting the first pick

[BigbadB]

Actually went to that game, had the gang come back to our place for the weekend and just now feeling ready to face the world again. What an exhausting trip. Yikes. I'm 60 years old next month. I can't keep shutting down bars on back to back nights. As mentioned before, I went to the game with some loyal Carolina fans. They don't like Young mainly because he just can't see over his line. They pointed it out on many of the overthrows and incompletions. I saw them too and had to agree that this is a major problem for them going forward. 

I don't hate Poles' plan. He literally did start with absolutely nothing. No star talent to speak of, little payroll flexibility, and limited draft picks. With that said, I felt like he hit on some draft picks, but also missed. I don't hate Kyler Gordon, and I felt he had a great game on Thursday night, albeit against the worst team in the NFL, but he's a nickel DB that got drafted way too high for his position. Velus Jones Jr. was a strange draft pick then, and a horrible looking draft pick now. It was a desperation move after several guys were already drafted at the WR position. Was it Pickens that they could have drafted, or Skyy Moore or was it someone else? Did VJJ get cut? I was a bit surprised to see Tyler Scott deep for kickoffs. Assumed Poles finally cut him.

Free agency #2 was disappointing. Everyone saw that they signed no one to play the DLine, and they didn't address it immediately in the draft. I get it. This team was so barren of talent, one or two offseasons probably wasn't going to be enough to fix the amount of holes this team has. I think people expected more than 3 wins this year. The hope was for a winning season, then this upcoming season puts them in the hunt for division and conference championships. I suppose that could still happen, but it's hard seeing that far with the poor play we have seen. 

I do think there needs to be a house cleaning with the coaching staff. But, I would give Poles another chance to get it right. We need Fields playing the rest of this season to help determine if a QB needs to be drafted or not. If you get some talent on the DL this offseason and fix the remaining holes on the OLine and maybe get one more stud WR, with the right coaching, I think this can be a good team as soon as next year.

 

[WrigleyField 22]

Overall talent defecit?  Yes.  Absolutely nothing?  No.

Little payroll flexibility? Basically unequivocally false. He had more than enough flexibility to add and retain talent and has focused mostly on retaining that flexibility for some as yet to be determined date, I guess.  Can't have a top 3 cap space twice in your first three years and claim limits on flexibility.  Yes, there were certain cap challenges (back to the over talent defecit), but flexibility obviously existed.

Limited draft capital, yes.