Bears week 3 @ KC, Sunday 3:25 on FOX

[CubinNY]

6 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

It’s pretty rare for a GM to do as bad a job as Poles has. He’s been much worse than Phil Emery who was the dud to end all duds. 

Emery only got 3 drafts. 

[WrigleyField 22]

10 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

It’s pretty rare for a GM to do as bad a job as Poles has. He’s been much worse than Phil Emery who was the dud to end all duds. 

Well a lot about Emerys situation was unique too, none that really apply to Poles.  And yea, it was a really early cut bait.

[UMFan83]

Not sure if this says more about how the rest of the offense played or about PFF's grading:

 

[UMFan83]

Here are most of the grades btw  I’m sick of changing the address so it embeds so you’ll have to click on the link

http://twitter.com/podguyfuges/status/1706368730760925572?s=46&t=0_jG0mfAmSwG-21Uluk7Vw

 

[champaignchris]

3 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

Can count the times that's happened in the last 30 years with a QB before on 1 hand probably

-Brees, who already had a pro bowl season in SD, but improved to a HOFer in NO

-Favre who never really got a real shot in Atlanta and was shipped out partly due to attitude issues

-Alex Smith was successful in SF and led them to the playoffs but found another gear under Andy Reid in KC

I think that's about it though I might be missing someone obvious. None of them had a 3 year shot and completely failed before becoming a star elsewhere.  Not sure if its because misdeveloped QBs are ruined and can't be fixed after 3+ years or if its because good QBs will find a way to have some degree of success regardless of how bad the circumstances are around them.

Though if there was ever a franchise that could misdevelop a QB and see him turn into a star elsewhere its the Bears.  

Geno Smith, but your point is spot on. 

[WrigleyField 22]

40 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Not sure if this says more about how the rest of the offense played or about PFF's grading:

 

He graded 71 as a passer and overall.

 

Somehow his 1 of 8 deep passes got him a 75 grade on deep throws. Obviously one was the DJ drop which was I assume 1 of 2 BTT they graded him with. But that's still 2 of 8. They also didn't grade any throws as turnover worthy (respectively his first two games he had 1 BTT and 2 TWP in each).  He also got his first good Fumble grade after two horrendous ones.  Had a super high aDOT ....? Graded well on clean pockets where he was 10 of 15. Everything  with blitz/pressure was terrible...

Sooo - obviously PFF is a black box of how all these various metrics get collated into a single grade.  And I can appreciate a process based system will get some big time anomies to results...

But yea... It's a particulatly weird one!  But the offense game plan beyond "lots of deep chucks" was so confusing at time I guess I'm not totally surprised a single metric spat out an absurd number on a 99 yard passing day. Will be interestimg to see the A-22 tape watchers take.  Both O Sullivan and  Jenkins, while definitely critical of Fields have maintained a "more blame on coaching" standpoint through first 2 weeks.

[Soul]

I just take football stats with a healthy grain of salt.  Fields stunk yesterday.  The eye test is as important as any of these grades.  He was terrible.

[WrigleyField 22]

13 minutes ago, champaignchris said:

Geno Smith, but your point is spot on. 

Alex Smith would probably be my optimistic use case for Fields. He likewise had mostly bad coaching. Did have McCarthy as OC his first year but basically everything after that sucked (Nolan HC, then Singletary) until Harbaugh showed up and made him respectable and then Reid unlocked different level to legit good.

[WrigleyField 22]

2 minutes ago, Soul said:

I just take football stats with a healthy grain of salt.  Fields stunk yesterday.  The eye test is as important as any of these grades.  He was terrible.

I mean, PFFs grading system is basically like any other scouting system ever created which is grading every play.

 

Obviously not every scouting system is good and predictive! But to call their grade a stat isn't exactly right (other specific complaints non withstanding)

[Soul]

2 hours ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

I mean, PFFs grading system is basically like any other scouting system ever created which is grading every play.

 

Obviously not every scouting system is good and predictive! But to call their grade a stat isn't exactly right (other specific complaints non withstanding)

No more calling grades stats, honest.

 

I just don’t know how to process that.  Fields graded higher than one might expect?  I tend to just say OK, but I know what I saw.

[WrigleyField 22]

51 minutes ago, Soul said:

No more calling grades stats, honest.

 

I just don’t know how to process that.  Fields graded higher than one might expect?  I tend to just say OK, but I know what I saw.

After watching Tim Jenkins breakdown,one possible explanation is a lot of no grades.  The he pretty explicity called out Fields interception as a bad throw and PFF has no turnover worthy plays. So you'll occasionally have difference of opinions on assigning blame on a throw, but I tend to agree with Jenkins over PFF on that one.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The answer is that PFF grades are a pseudoscientific, black-box rng and everyone in the football fandom world should stop paying attention to them.

[Outshined_One]

2 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

The answer is that PFF grades are a pseudoscientific, black-box rng and everyone in the football fandom world should stop paying attention to them.

It's reminiscent of the early days of advanced baseball stats when most people didn't understand what went into them, what the deficiencies in each stat was, and why those stats were basically the equivalent of the word of Gawd as to whether the player in question was, in fact, elite.