Bears week 6: Commanders on Thursday night

[mul21]

Three trips inside the five and not a single roll out/bootleg called. Fields should have been able to walk into the end zone at least once. That’s just terrible play calling

 

This was my immediate reaction. Call something where Fields can use his legs. hell, they wouldn't have even been at the 5 yard line if not for that, so use your best weapon. We've seen Mahomes walk into the end zone time after time on misdirection plays and there's no reason Fields shouldn't be able to do something similar.

[UMFan83]

 

Patrick and Mustipher with another pathetic pass blocking job tonight. Jones joins them as well.

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I just hope I'm right and this was just a purported tank and Poles isn't going to suffer from some "smartest guy in the room" syndrome. First year GM tanking isn't shocking though. Hope he doesn't flop on his top 10 pick (I'd say top 5, but the SOS probably in gonna bone the Bears cuz of course it would)

 

Exactly where the disconnect is. The only reason why people don't have patience with Poles is because fans aren't looking at this being a case of a 1st year GM tanking/building a roster. Fans are looking at it as, "hey we have a potential franchise QB. Franchise QBs win SBs. Build around this franchise QB". But his offseason moves are similar to Pace's first year. Cheap on offensive FAs (Eddie Royal, Vlad Ducasse), started a late pick at LT (Leno wasn't a rookie, but was a 7th round pick with no experience when he was named starting LT), and threw a bunch of horsefeathers at defense (McPhee, Tracy Porter, etc) to see what would stick. That team had Jay Cutler and nobody really batted an eye too much because Cutler was basically on his way out and was a bad contract at that point. So we accepted a rebuild. Now we aren't accepting it because we have Fields who is neither on his way our nor a bad contract.

[gflore34]

 

Patrick and Mustipher with another pathetic pass blocking job tonight. Jones joins them as well.

 

Once again, it's impossible to do anything via the pass when half of your OL is a turn style.

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Three trips inside the five and not a single roll out/bootleg called. Fields should have been able to walk into the end zone at least once. That’s just terrible play calling

 

This was my immediate reaction. Call something where Fields can use his legs. hell, they wouldn't have even been at the 5 yard line if not for that, so use your best weapon. We've seen Mahomes walk into the end zone time after time on misdirection plays and there's no reason Fields shouldn't be able to do something similar.

 

So, I will say it's tougher for Fields to just walk into the endzone because teams are expecting Fields to run because he hasn't mastered throwing from the pocket well enough yet. Mahomes obviously can run too, but he can kill you inside the pocket, so that's the priority because that's where he is most of the time. Teams know he has the athleticism so they are scheming to stop that. That being said, yeah...out of 13 red zone plays, they moved the pocket intentionally 0 times. At least once or twice, you gotta say F it and see if Fields just wins against a scheme against him. He clearly has run on teams trying to stop him from running on several occasions this year. I'd take my chances he can at least get a foot and a half once.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

"hey he's actually just doing what Ryan pace would do" is not a great defense of a GM

[Soul]

 

Getsy is fine. You have one of the best run games in the league. Your OL should be able to get you 1/2 a yard.

 

Plus, it's weird to feel for Justin not having anything to work with and then blame Getsy, who is working with the same people (plus Justin).

It's stunning how this team falls flat on their face inside the 20. Little stupid mistakes by players and/or Getsy. To me, Getsy isn't "fine", he's just as much a rookie and looks overmatched because of it

 

People were bitching that the Bears ran too much in the redzone. Well, they got what they wanted and Getsy called pass plays it 8 of the last 10 redzone plays. Granted, the ones at the end had time constraints, but again I say....if Fields is working with a bad supporting cast, how can you fault Getsy who's working the same bad cast, plus what may be a bad QB?

I see your point but don’t you think saying the Bears have a good run game is too broad a statement? They break out some fantastic long runs and I love that, but I also feel like the dives up the middle often fail.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What I'm seeing from fields is that he could be a guy in the right situation. With an average team surrounding him, running for first downs that few other QBs could get and throwing semi-regular bombs would be good enough to be useful.

 

But I don't think he can be our The Guy we've been waiting for, our turn to have an elite QB for a decade-plus.

[CubColtPacer]

 

It's odd to me when people take something that very well may be true and use a comparison that distracts from that. The Lions were up 22-0 on the Commanders at halftime and Wentz dropped back over 50 times in that game, many of those times when the Lions knew very well a pass was coming and could rush the passer at will. The Bears might be awful at rushing the passer, but using a drastically different type of game to illustrate that point doesn't help prove that point.

[CubinNY]

"hey he's actually just doing what Ryan pace would do" is not a great defense of a GM

It's axiomatic, but you can't do the same thing in a different environment and expect success. This is not the same Bears players Pace inherited. I keep going back to my belief that they don't think they have a top-tier QB. Maybe they are correct, but they haven't attempted to see if they are correct.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The reddit thread on fields missing the wide open te in the end zone included the comment "Tim Tebow makes that throw" and that one stung

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It's stunning how this team falls flat on their face inside the 20. Little stupid mistakes by players and/or Getsy. To me, Getsy isn't "fine", he's just as much a rookie and looks overmatched because of it

 

People were bitching that the Bears ran too much in the redzone. Well, they got what they wanted and Getsy called pass plays it 8 of the last 10 redzone plays. Granted, the ones at the end had time constraints, but again I say....if Fields is working with a bad supporting cast, how can you fault Getsy who's working the same bad cast, plus what may be a bad QB?

I see your point but don’t you think saying the Bears have a good run game is too broad a statement? They break out some fantastic long runs and I love that, but I also feel like the dives up the middle often fail.

 

I mean, statistically I can prove the Bears have a good run game. It's not too broad. It's a fact. 3rd in yards, 7th in YPA.

 

"They break out some fantastic long runs and fail on dives up the middle" is not something you can probably prove. Even if you could, they still do in fact have a good run game. And a team that averages 5.2 yards per carry, should have pretty good odds of getting 1/2 a yard middle, outside or otherwise.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Pouring one out today for all my friends and family who are fans of both Iowa and the Bears. Oof.

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"hey he's actually just doing what Ryan pace would do" is not a great defense of a GM

 

Wasn't really a defense of the GM. Just a comment on the disconnect between what fans want and what the GM wants to do. Point is, we wouldn't be upset if Poles started last year and Dalton was supposed to be his QB while Fields developed. But we saw Fields wasted for a year and don't want him wasted and possibly ruined after 2 years. There's 0 defense for intentionally getting a 23 year old QB killed on the field each week. But Poles clearly doesn't care about that as much as we all do.

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Pouring one out today for all my friends and family who are fans of both Iowa and the Bears. Oof.

 

IWA and CHICAG cuz ain't no O

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The reddit thread on fields missing the wide open te in the end zone included the comment "Tim Tebow makes that throw" and that one stung

 

I've seen a lot of people blaming the TE on this throw, because he did lumber out of his break and was moving way too slow. Even "experts" are saying Fields threw it to a spot and the TE has to get there.

 

And ya'll know I love Justin, but there's 0 way I'm buying that. All that may be 100% true. Fields may have thrown it to a spot that a slow TE stumbled slowly to try to get to, but that's a fast break slam dunk. It simply has to be complete, doesn't care how flashy the throw, give the guy a chance to catch it as easily as the throw was thrown.

[Old Style]

Fields said explicitly that he has to make that throw. Why is this even a discussion?

[UMFan83]

The reddit thread on fields missing the wide open te in the end zone included the comment "Tim Tebow makes that throw" and that one stung

 

I've seen a lot of people blaming the TE on this throw, because he did lumber out of his break and was moving way too slow. Even "experts" are saying Fields threw it to a spot and the TE has to get there.

 

And ya'll know I love Justin, but there's 0 way I'm buying that. All that may be 100% true. Fields may have thrown it to a spot that a slow TE stumbled slowly to try to get to, but that's a fast break slam dunk. It simply has to be complete, doesn't care how flashy the throw, give the guy a chance to catch it as easily as the throw was thrown.

 

Even Fields mentioned that the TE could have run faster, which I thought was odd to say. I agree with you. If Kmet is running that route he gets to the ball (whether he catches it is another story...) but knowing a slow lumbering TE is running that route he has to make a better throw there.

[UMFan83]

Fields said explicitly that he has to make that throw. Why is this even a discussion?

 

It was brought up because a lot of people said the TE should have run the route harder. Even Fields (right before he said that he's an NFL QB and has to make that throw) said the TE could have run faster.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

"hey he's actually just doing what Ryan pace would do" is not a great defense of a GM

 

Wasn't really a defense of the GM. Just a comment on the disconnect between what fans want and what the GM wants to do. Point is, we wouldn't be upset if Poles started last year and Dalton was supposed to be his QB while Fields developed. But we saw Fields wasted for a year and don't want him wasted and possibly ruined after 2 years. There's 0 defense for intentionally getting a 23 year old QB killed on the field each week. But Poles clearly doesn't care about that as much as we all do.

 

I would be upset. I have been very explicit about what I want from a bears GM for years, and predicted in advance what would go wrong if we didn't do it. We need to build a modern NFL offense and quit getting distracted by the temptation to build a traditional Bears defense/running game team

 

If Fields isn't their guy, then they need to start laying the groundwork for the next guy, and no Braxton Jones doesn't count. Going DB-DB-KR with the first three picks of your regime was criminal, and then having this bizarre attempt to corner the market on run-blocking WRs who can't play WR.

 

If Fields isn't the guy, then they can't draft their guy next year because they'll be putting him into the same awful situation fields is in. So it will be year 3 before we can even get a rookie QB they like, year 4 or 5 before we know if he's any good.

[WrigleyField 22]

"hey he's actually just doing what Ryan pace would do" is not a great defense of a GM

Easy comp because it's both Bears GMs, but obviously the general point being that most first year GMs taking over rebuilding teams is basically a pointless eval year. Tankity tank. He's accomplishing that.

 

And not to defend Pace per se, but his *actual* issues that did him in, verse what the standard fan acts like he was couldn't be further disconnected, anyways, IMO.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

"hey he's actually just doing what Ryan pace would do" is not a great defense of a GM

Easy comp because it's both Bears GMs, but obviously the general point being that most first year GMs taking over rebuilding teams is basically a pointless eval year. Tankity tank. He's accomplishing that.

 

And not to defend Pace per se, but his *actual* issues that did him in, verse what the standard fan acts like he was couldn't be further disconnected, anyways, IMO.

 

I like the fact that Poles recognized we needed to tear down the roster and rebuild

 

I hate what he began building

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

People were bitching that the Bears ran too much in the redzone. Well, they got what they wanted and Getsy called pass plays it 8 of the last 10 redzone plays. Granted, the ones at the end had time constraints, but again I say....if Fields is working with a bad supporting cast, how can you fault Getsy who's working the same bad cast, plus what may be a bad QB?

I see your point but don’t you think saying the Bears have a good run game is too broad a statement? They break out some fantastic long runs and I love that, but I also feel like the dives up the middle often fail.

 

I mean, statistically I can prove the Bears have a good run game. It's not too broad. It's a fact. 3rd in yards, 7th in YPA.

 

"They break out some fantastic long runs and fail on dives up the middle" is not something you can probably prove. Even if you could, they still do in fact have a good run game. And a team that averages 5.2 yards per carry, should have pretty good odds of getting 1/2 a yard middle, outside or otherwise.

 

they should be able to but they are hampered by a pop-warner OC

[minnesotacubsfan]

The reddit thread on fields missing the wide open te in the end zone included the comment "Tim Tebow makes that throw" and that one stung

 

I've seen a lot of people blaming the TE on this throw, because he did lumber out of his break and was moving way too slow. Even "experts" are saying Fields threw it to a spot and the TE has to get there.

 

And ya'll know I love Justin, but there's 0 way I'm buying that. All that may be 100% true. Fields may have thrown it to a spot that a slow TE stumbled slowly to try to get to, but that's a fast break slam dunk. It simply has to be complete, doesn't care how flashy the throw, give the guy a chance to catch it as easily as the throw was thrown.

 

when I re-watch that play its clear that JF and the TE are not on the same page. The TE looks like he has no idea if JF is going to throw it to him and JF looks like he's expecting the TE to run to a spot.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The reddit thread on fields missing the wide open te in the end zone included the comment "Tim Tebow makes that throw" and that one stung

 

I've seen a lot of people blaming the TE on this throw, because he did lumber out of his break and was moving way too slow. Even "experts" are saying Fields threw it to a spot and the TE has to get there.

 

And ya'll know I love Justin, but there's 0 way I'm buying that. All that may be 100% true. Fields may have thrown it to a spot that a slow TE stumbled slowly to try to get to, but that's a fast break slam dunk. It simply has to be complete, doesn't care how flashy the throw, give the guy a chance to catch it as easily as the throw was thrown.

 

Even Fields mentioned that the TE could have run faster, which I thought was odd to say. I agree with you. If Kmet is running that route he gets to the ball (whether he catches it is another story...) but knowing a slow lumbering TE is running that route he has to make a better throw there.

 

or, find a better TE and get rid of the slow, lumbering TE